Knicks · 2020 NBA Redraft has Quickley and Toppin at the 6 and 7 spot (page 2)

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

Can you try to sound coherent?

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Obi shot 30% from 3 last year. 30% year before. I’m hoping his shot improve ls- he shot 39% from 3 in college but that was with guys who can’t even make the G-league guarding the perimeter

I agree increase minutes will eventually help him get better but good luck with Randle on the roster

The problem with our roster is we have 2 bricklayers at PF and a Center who attempts an outside shot during a game once every Haley’s Comet. The solution is a) somehow get rid of Randle or b) get rid of Randle AND go with a smaller lineup with RJ at PF

Philc1 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

Can you try to sound coherent?

You need me to translate that?

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

We all know Obi ain't a finished product, so why you treating him as such? And what timeline does a late bloomer PF usually get better with his 3point shot?

Last 16 games of the season he shot 43% on about 5 attempts a game; it's not illustrative of the whole season but it does speak to potential and it's definitely not missing the ocean.

Dude just got to put it together.

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

We all know Obi ain't a finished product, so why you treating him as such? And what timeline does a late bloomer PF usually get better with his 3point shot?

Last 16 games of the season he shot 43% on about 5 attempts a game; it's not illustrative of the whole season but it does speak to potential and it's definitely not missing the ocean.

Dude just got to put it together.

I love this Toppin stat. Its Net Rating for two man lineups including Toppin. Over the course of the season, every player Toppin played with outscored its opponents while Toppin was on the court.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanc...

Conversely, and I am trying not to whack Randle, but stats are stats. Over the course of the season, 9 out of 11 players Randle played with were outscored by their opponents. Only Quickley and Sims had positive Net Ratings with Randle.

https://www.nba.com/stats/lineups/advanc...

You can convince me that Randle is better and I want to believe.

All these stats tell us is that the second unit outperforms other second units and the starting unit doesn't out perform other starting units. Its not a blatant condemnation of Randle despite the damning statistics. It doesn't tell us that Toppin will thrive in the starting lineup.

It simply tells us that the starting lineup wasn't working.

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

We all know Obi ain't a finished product, so why you treating him as such? And what timeline does a late bloomer PF usually get better with his 3point shot?

Last 16 games of the season he shot 43% on about 5 attempts a game; it's not illustrative of the whole season but it does speak to potential and it's definitely not missing the ocean.

Dude just got to put it together.

It’s his third year in the league and his shooting has regressed. I’m not saying trade him unless it’s for Mitchell or some other assets but it’s fair to say as someone who has watched him for 2 years so far the results haven’t been good. He’s been compared to Amare yet Amare won ROY

Maybe rose finds a way to unload Randle

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

We all know Obi ain't a finished product, so why you treating him as such? And what timeline does a late bloomer PF usually get better with his 3point shot?

Last 16 games of the season he shot 43% on about 5 attempts a game; it's not illustrative of the whole season but it does speak to potential and it's definitely not missing the ocean.

Dude just got to put it together.

It’s his third year in the league and his shooting has regressed. I’m not saying trade him unless it’s for Mitchell or some other assets but it’s fair to say as someone who has watched him for 2 years so far the results haven’t been good. He’s been compared to Amare yet Amare won ROY

Maybe rose finds a way to unload Randle

You’re a lawyer. Do you even think these arguments hold up in a year 1 law degree class or do you get laughed out of the class?

He’s been compared to somebody? That’s relevant enough to spend time typing out?

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

We all know Obi ain't a finished product, so why you treating him as such? And what timeline does a late bloomer PF usually get better with his 3point shot?

Last 16 games of the season he shot 43% on about 5 attempts a game; it's not illustrative of the whole season but it does speak to potential and it's definitely not missing the ocean.

Dude just got to put it together.

It’s his third year in the league and his shooting has regressed. I’m not saying trade him unless it’s for Mitchell or some other assets but it’s fair to say as someone who has watched him for 2 years so far the results haven’t been good. He’s been compared to Amare yet Amare won ROY

Maybe rose finds a way to unload Randle

You are talking out of your tailpipe again. His eFG went from .560 to .586. Both his overall FG% and his 3pt% increased (barely for 3s). His minutes went from 11 to 17 a game and he saw considerable improvement and better overall numbers in games where he played more than 24 minutes. I don’t think you can say his results have not been good. I think he is doing really well. If anything, he should be getting more playing time.

I compare him to Amare and the comparison is unfair in a lot of reasons. Amare got consistent minutes for example. If you look at Per36 numbers, they are a bit similar except that Toppins numbers are coming on higher efficiency and lower usage against a second unit. So, yeah, I won’t proclaim him Amare but the comp isn’t so ridiculous. I’d like to see what Toppin does with 31 minutes per game. Hopefully he gets those minutes here.

EwingsGlass wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

martin wrote:

Philc1 wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Uptown wrote:

ramtour420 wrote:

Nalod wrote:

Philc1 wrote:Quickley I can understand rising. There’s lots of respect around the league for him and rightfully so. Obi? Can he even put the ball in the ocean?

Hard to permeate new thoughts even when others suggest otherwise?
Your proud to advertise what you don’t understand.
One need not abandon an opinion, but dude, your like proud to demonstrate a redundant repertoire of stupidity.

I think Phil is talking about shooting. If we take that as his argument then no, Obi cannot put the ball in the ocean. Just saying. Everything else on offense he does as well and most of those things he does a few levels better than Randle, who is one season removed from All-NBA second team.

In the 10 Games that Obi started last year, he shot 44% from 3, 82% from the free-throw line and 57% overall. More minutes breeds more confidence. More confidence means his eyes can focus more on the basket as opposed to looking over his shoulder wondering when he is going to get pulled.

Is this a small sample size? Of course. But until Obi gets a full season of 30 mins per at the 4 we wont know for sure...

Hmm, that's really good. I was wrong. Even with such a small sample size I should not have seconded the notion that Obi "cannot put the ball in the ocean" those stats are pretty exciting, actually

Well if you exclude the 72 other regular season games Obi played in last year he shot really well from 3, like better than Steph Curry

We all know Obi ain't a finished product, so why you treating him as such? And what timeline does a late bloomer PF usually get better with his 3point shot?

Last 16 games of the season he shot 43% on about 5 attempts a game; it's not illustrative of the whole season but it does speak to potential and it's definitely not missing the ocean.

Dude just got to put it together.

It’s his third year in the league and his shooting has regressed. I’m not saying trade him unless it’s for Mitchell or some other assets but it’s fair to say as someone who has watched him for 2 years so far the results haven’t been good. He’s been compared to Amare yet Amare won ROY

Maybe rose finds a way to unload Randle

You are talking out of your tailpipe again. His eFG went from .560 to .586. Both his overall FG% and his 3pt% increased (barely for 3s). His minutes went from 11 to 17 a game and he saw considerable improvement and better overall numbers in games where he played more than 24 minutes. I don’t think you can say his results have not been good. I think he is doing really well. If anything, he should be getting more playing time.

I compare him to Amare and the comparison is unfair in a lot of reasons. Amare got consistent minutes for example. If you look at Per36 numbers, they are a bit similar except that Toppins numbers are coming on higher efficiency and lower usage against a second unit. So, yeah, I won’t proclaim him Amare but the comp isn’t so ridiculous. I’d like to see what Toppin does with 31 minutes per game. Hopefully he gets those minutes here.

His eFG is high because most of his points come off dunks, put backs and post moves. Mitch had a fg% of 72% just a couple years sho do you consider him a good shooter? I’m talking about Obi’s ability to shoot from outside which has not been there at all since we drafted him

We can’t space the floor on offense if the center doesn’t shoot and both PFs on the roster can’t shoot north of 31% from 3. Point guard or no point guard