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VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

I would definately agree on Trent. He would be a great pickup. OG for Barrett is a fit for fit swap (possibly), so while I still think we should keep Barrett because I think his ceiling is higher, at the very least it's acceptable (to me) because you are not giving up future assets.

The lineup with both OG and Trent seems decent. The deal, however is a little rich for my liking. If we are breaking it down OG for RJ and McBride, Rokas, and salary (depends on who we are talking) seems like a fair enough deal. I don't think I would surrender any more than a single first round pick though.

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

I'd say Grimes with a purer short, but worse defense( which says a lot about Grimes since Trent is solid on defense) and less utility as a ball handler. Grimes isn't there yet, but I do see him reaching Trent's level.

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martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

I'd say Grimes with a purer short, but worse defense( which says a lot about Grimes since Trent is solid on defense) and less utility as a ball handler. Grimes isn't there yet, but I do see him reaching Trent's level.

Yeah that was my initial thoughts. If he signed a reasonable contract, he'd be excellent piece off bench.

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

BigDaddyG wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

I'd say Grimes with a purer short, but worse defense( which says a lot about Grimes since Trent is solid on defense) and less utility as a ball handler. Grimes isn't there yet, but I do see him reaching Trent's level.

Yeah that was my initial thoughts. If he signed a reasonable contract, he'd be excellent piece off bench.

He would be great if we are replacing someone in the rotation.

When you look at our rotation;

Mitch and Hartenstein occupy all center minutes and I expect both back
Randle, Barrett, Grimes, Brunson all play 30+ mins. Hart and Quickley off the bench can easily take up starters minutes (30+ mins each) and cover all of the backup minutes. Knicks can easily have an 8 man rotation with everyone healthy. If Knicks decide to trade Barrett then it will open up minutes. Even if they move Toppin, they have to also move Barrett to have real minutes for a guy like Trent since Grimes, Hart and Quickley will all see more minutes next year. I wonder if the Knicks would do Barrett in a deal for Trent or if politics would get in the way.

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So the Knicks have that MLE starting at 12.2M this summer.

Man, this Cavs team is young They'll be tough when they get more experience. This series loss will be a good learning experience for them, like the Hawks loss was for us.

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VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

Definitely in the same mold. A bigger version of Norman Powell. Smaller version of Josh Hart.

I think the term "wasting assets" for a player is misleading. Gotta give to get in this league. We are likely to be cap constrained for the near future, so addition is either through the draft or trades. I think the caliber of players that are considered an upgrade to the rotation are probably not available for the MLE, Vet Min or Bi-annual exception. That leaves value add trades.

I keep looking for guys with positional length, good 3pt percentages that play defense and have high hustle stats. I would fill my roster with these kinds of guys and never think I wasted a pick.

To put it differently. Without giving up 4 picks and 3 pick swaps, who are you adding to the below roster to make it better? I'd put Larry Nance, Jr in at backup PF for the MLE and call it the 2024 rotation.

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/_____/Hart

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VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

Definitely in the same mold. A bigger version of Norman Powell. Smaller version of Josh Hart.

I think the term "wasting assets" for a player is misleading. Gotta give to get in this league. We are likely to be cap constrained for the near future, so addition is either through the draft or trades. I think the caliber of players that are considered an upgrade to the rotation are probably not available for the MLE, Vet Min or Bi-annual exception. That leaves value add trades.

I keep looking for guys with positional length, good 3pt percentages that play defense and have high hustle stats. I would fill my roster with these kinds of guys and never think I wasted a pick.

To put it differently. Without giving up 4 picks and 3 pick swaps, who are you adding to the below roster to make it better? I'd put Larry Nance, Jr in at backup PF for the MLE and call it the 2024 rotation.

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/_____/Hart

When that #11 pick transfers to the Knicks, we will trade back to #25 while picking up additional assets and then select Kris Murray

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martin wrote:

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martin wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

VDesai wrote:I dont get it with OG. I dunno if I wanna be trading with the Raptors. Would be happy to take Trent Jr,

I do. He isn't that great of a player. I keep asking when him and so e of these other dudes that are being fawned over became "stars". His rep gets 10 tics up because he isn't the current Knicks SF, which is dumb. He is a good 3 and D guy.

He is a great 3 and D guy in the same way Josh Hart is incredible off the bench for Knicks. He is a legit 1-5 defender.

They traded a first round pick for Josh Hart. People are talking players and multiple (I've seen as many as 4, but mostly people propose 3) first round picks.

As Scottie would say, "He ain't him"

Right, that’s Masai Ujiri talking, which we expect. And now OG is in the last year of his contract and baring a TWolves-like stupidity offer, things will be different

I’m with Martin in the OG Anunoby plan. He passes both the eye test and the advanced stat test. I don’t know how Toronto fails to put it all together but they have good parts. Their roster is one of those rosters that just is trouble for the Knicks. Their biggest flaw is their lack of a center, which they should solve I. The draft this year.

They are prioritizing Barnes over OG and that is why OG is available. I’m not saying they’re wrong, either, but it’s similar to the Knicks prioritizing Barrett over Quickley. In fact, it’s near identical in reasoning and outcome.

I’d move Barrett straight up for OG and not think twice.

OG has the better biometrics, hustle, and efficiency numbers. Yes, he is older, but 25 isn’t an issue for me.

If I were Toronto’s GM, I’d be more likely to try and move Barnes for a center if Barnes has perforce value. Run it back with FVV/Trent/OG/Siakam and their newest center. Let Detroit give them one of their Centers (Duren or Wiseman). But if they choose to stick with Barnes, I will take OG all day.

I’d take Gary Trent too. He is a FA. Hell, I’ll give them that Dallas 1st if they take back Fournier in a Sign and Trade

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/Toppin/Hart

I’m good. Run it.

Interesting thought on Trent.

I’d do RJ, Obi, Rokas, McBride, salary, multiple picks for OG, Trent. Some combo that works.

So, the only question after your proposed trade is backup PF. I haven’t been able to find a PF that makes sense. OG can slide there in a pinch. So can iHart. But, I’m looking for someone to keep Randle honest. And looking over his shoulder.

Cam Johnson is the archetype I am looking for. He is an RFA but he’s got starter dollars coming to him. That’s the closest I can come up with. Someone like Cam Johnson.

You are right on back up PF, but nothing is going to get between Thibs and his love for Randle and his near 40 minutes of play.

My guess is that a bench rotation of IQ, Trent, Hart, iHart with any of Grimes, OG, Brunson in a small ball rotation with spacing and iHart flipping assists would be so much fun to watch and even Thibs would prob crack a smile at that lineup. Throw in the bounce man himself, Jericho could be nice in a pinch.

Total selfless crew, uuuhhhm except Randle of course, but super deep and Thibs would probably die and come back with an elite spacing plan with defense options galore.

I'm not crazy about wasting assets for Trent. We're pretty good at the two-guard in terms of cap management and talent. I can see OG, depending on the price. If it takes a star level package to get OG, I'd just assume wait until an actual star becomes available.

Quite frankly I've only seen Gary Trent play a few times against the Knicks and he seemed like a bit smaller version of Josh Hart with a little less brute force to his game.

Definitely in the same mold. A bigger version of Norman Powell. Smaller version of Josh Hart.

I think the term "wasting assets" for a player is misleading. Gotta give to get in this league. We are likely to be cap constrained for the near future, so addition is either through the draft or trades. I think the caliber of players that are considered an upgrade to the rotation are probably not available for the MLE, Vet Min or Bi-annual exception. That leaves value add trades.

I keep looking for guys with positional length, good 3pt percentages that play defense and have high hustle stats. I would fill my roster with these kinds of guys and never think I wasted a pick.

To put it differently. Without giving up 4 picks and 3 pick swaps, who are you adding to the below roster to make it better? I'd put Larry Nance, Jr in at backup PF for the MLE and call it the 2024 rotation.

Brunson/Grimes/OG/Randle/Robinson
IQ/Trent/Hart/_____/Hart

Maybe wasting assets is too strong. But Gary Trent Jr. doesn't really provide 3nough bang for the buck. We already have IQ, Grimes and Hart at the two-guard and there are other holes to plug in. I don't think Trent provides enough of an upgrade to muddle up what you described as a cap constrained team. We've got one more year of IQ on the cheap and a few more years of Grimes. We pretty much good at the two-guard unless you're talking bringing in someone like Booker or SGA. I think wing is the area that needs to be addressed.

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No, no, he's right. Brunson did shoot FOUR free throws Saturday. League needs to investigate.

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Love the 65 game min. 20.7% games missed is still kind of a lot if you think about it.

Embiid played 66 games this season. That means the supposed MVP has zero impact in 20% of his games, which in my mind is no MVP.

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Love the 65 game min. 20.7% games missed is still kind of a lot if you think about it.

Embiid played 66 games this season. That means the supposed MVP has zero impact in 20% of his games, which in my mind is no MVP.

I get what your saying, but what does the avg superstar miss on a regular basis? 5% of games, 10% of games? The benchmark of 82 games might not be realistic, so the baseline 65 games might not be so inaccurate.

The award also has great financial incentive for players vying for extension and durability should matter.