Knicks · Preseason Gamethread: The offseason lull is finally OVER. Detroit, come on down (page 11)

martin @ 10/5/2022 8:53 AM
I couldn't really tell

Nalod @ 10/5/2022 8:54 AM
Deuce is there becuase of his defense. Its why frankie stuck for 3 years.
He has time but he has to hit his shots.
He was there because of Grimes is out and Rose was limited. its preseason and Detroit errant passes were awful.
Miles got away with a travel when fouled on the break for the “and one” but got called on it later.
And he has to hit his open looks.

“Needs more time”. Not until he can be relied on.
And Obi still shooting like last year obi. He can get hot. We have seen it.

FIrst preseason game so nothing should keep any one off the court, including Reddish’s off balance shooting. He looked ok at first then like a guy trying to impress and it was not looking too good.

Impressions beyond the obvious:

1. Some of you are locked into Randle steretypes. He looked about the same. Once hot he put up numbers and we forget he gets assists.
2. Evan is solid.
3. IQ looked to forced at times. Love the drive when middle opened up for him. Why? Detroit defense was awful most of the night.
4. Pistons suck right not. Ivy looked good at times but unless Bogo was hitting they look like a really young team which they are. Cade put on 20lbs and will need to grow into it.
5. We looked good because they looked bad. But im not unhappy.
6. RJ looked good. Hitting contested jumpers was smooth.
7. Mitch was mitch. Thats good.
8. Brunson fits right in.
9. Deuce is Frank until he can hit the shots. Still young and still green.

SergioNYK @ 10/5/2022 9:08 AM
It felt nice to sit down and watch a Knicks game! Having a capable PG made it 100x better too! Brunson is already a favorite of mine. Love his pace and footwork offensively! He also might be small but he battles defensively. Cunningham tried to bully him down low and Brunson was having none of it! I also really liked what I saw from Deuce. I really hope Thibs saves Rose this season and doesn't play him heavy minutes or every game. Let Deuce get some of those minutes this season.

Good to see all the players in shape. Everyone did their thing and I really have no complaints except for some of Obi's shot selection. He needs to chill out with the threes. And sucks about Reddish! Kid can't catch a break!

Philc1 @ 10/5/2022 9:18 AM
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

martin @ 10/5/2022 9:43 AM
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Mitch will struggle to get 24 minutes a game because of Hart. And that's not a bad thing.

Nalod @ 10/5/2022 10:17 AM
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Quentin Grimes says hello. He backs up EF.

Brunson/EF
IQ/Rose: In this instance Rose is the PG

Lets say there are 30 games where Drose is out. The question becomes Brunson likely goes 35 min. That opens Grimes to be paired with Either IQ or Deuce. Neither has shown superior playmaking skills. IQ can shoot, but Deuce defense is the shine for him.
Grimes can pick up minutes backing RJ. So can EF. Cam needs that spot to stay.

We can only guess the Thibian mind and guess he thinks defense first so the logic is “Play Miles and let him play his way to a better tommorow”……. We know the yoot loving fans mantra by now. But Miles will camp in the corner on offense and that puts his transition defense a bit harder to implement.

Food for PhilC: Elf was a good defender and 6-5. He could score and play make. I know this will rot and rent space in your head but Deuce is not as good as Elf. This is not a stretch. He is a second year player who by admission of his college coach came out a year early and also said that Deuce was cool to learn from the bench. That we know and heard in an interview. Thus, its not hate to say “he is not ready”. Its the point of debate “well if we don’t win why not win but develop at the same time”. Thats a good debate and one whose answer lies perhaps in when a playin position is not attainable and we throw in the towel. Not one that can be said after one preseason game.

As a “Mini Marcus smart” we have to remember how many seasons it took for Smart to get his offensive game going and that he only became the starting PG last season. Thgedefense and leadership kept him on the court until the rest of his game caught up. McBride was drafted for his potential. It takes time to unfold.

Some fans when it happens will point to themselves and say “See, I told you”. Others will mutter “finally”.
No two players are the same. No two fans are the same.

Frank ran out of time and yet while some pointed to themselves and said “he’ll never play in the nba again”, he does.
I don’t know where his career goes but in Dallas its about the coach, the system, the chemistry, and execution. Frank has to hit his open looks. If he does his defense will change games. We saw that. Paired with Luka he gets space.
And I don’t give two rats asses where Elf is or isn’t. I reference that for 2/3 of the 4 seed season he contributed to a chemistry that kept things going until Drose resurrection took off. Deuce is not as good as Elf. But I want him to be. We do love our defensive minded guards!

Rookie @ 10/5/2022 10:24 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Quentin Grimes says hello. He backs up EF.

Brunson/EF
IQ/Rose: In this instance Rose is the PG

Lets say there are 30 games where Drose is out. The question becomes Brunson likely goes 35 min. That opens Grimes to be paired with Either IQ or Deuce. Neither has shown superior playmaking skills. IQ can shoot, but Deuce defense is the shine for him.
Grimes can pick up minutes backing RJ. So can EF. Cam needs that spot to stay.

We can only guess the Thibian mind and guess he thinks defense first so the logic is “Play Miles and let him play his way to a better tommorow”……. We know the yoot loving fans mantra by now. But Miles will camp in the corner on offense and that puts his transition defense a bit harder to implement.

Food for PhilC: Elf was a good defender and 6-5. He could score and play make. I know this will rot and rent space in your head but Deuce is not as good as Elf. This is not a stretch. He is a second year player who by admission of his college coach came out a year early and also said that Deuce was cool to learn from the bench. That we know and heard in an interview. Thus, its not hate to say “he is not ready”. Its the point of debate “well if we don’t win why not win but develop at the same time”. Thats a good debate and one whose answer lies perhaps in when a playin position is not attainable and we throw in the towel. Not one that can be said after one preseason game.

As a “Mini Marcus smart” we have to remember how many seasons it took for Smart to get his offensive game going and that he only became the starting PG last season. Thgedefense and leadership kept him on the court until the rest of his game caught up. McBride was drafted for his potential. It takes time to unfold.

Some fans when it happens will point to themselves and say “See, I told you”. Others will mutter “finally”.
No two players are the same. No two fans are the same.

Frank ran out of time and yet while some pointed to themselves and said “he’ll never play in the nba again”, he does.
I don’t know where his career goes but in Dallas its about the coach, the system, the chemistry, and execution. Frank has to hit his open looks. If he does his defense will change games. We saw that. Paired with Luka he gets space.
And I don’t give two rats asses where Elf is or isn’t. I reference that for 2/3 of the 4 seed season he contributed to a chemistry that kept things going until Drose resurrection took off. Deuce is not as good as Elf. But I want him to be. We do love our defensive minded guards!

I think Martin nailed it. Deuce needs to improve at either make 3’s or getting to the rim. We Don need another shot taker, we need a shot maker

fishmike @ 10/5/2022 10:30 AM
martin wrote:I couldn't really tell

MUHHHHH HAHAHAHAHAHA

Y'all are just gonna have to stomach the Julius redemption tour. 15/6/4 on 6-10 FGs and no TOs (+18)

HofstraBBall @ 10/5/2022 10:32 AM
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Mcbribe will not get any minutes with current roster. IQ will be the backup PG if Rose gets hurt

martin @ 10/5/2022 10:33 AM

fishmike @ 10/5/2022 10:35 AM
Clean wrote:

Hey Tommy.... we all like McBride. If you cant figure out why a player shooting 29% was "anchored to the bench" you might want to tweet on another sport
martin @ 10/5/2022 10:43 AM
fishmike wrote:
Clean wrote:

Hey Tommy.... we all like McBride. If you cant figure out why a player shooting 29% was "anchored to the bench" you might want to tweet on another sport

Tommy has his shtick but quite frankly I'm disappointed in everything else from him

Clean @ 10/5/2022 11:46 AM
fishmike wrote:
Clean wrote:

Hey Tommy.... we all like McBride. If you cant figure out why a player shooting 29% was "anchored to the bench" you might want to tweet on another sport

The funny thing about that tweet to me is I did not even notice he put that part at the end. I have learned to ignore his opinions and his combined stats and go right for the hard stats . So I posted that for McBride getting more steals than their whole team and has no idea until yall said something he put the opinion part at the end.

KnickDanger @ 10/5/2022 12:22 PM
martin wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Clean wrote:

Hey Tommy.... we all like McBride. If you cant figure out why a player shooting 29% was "anchored to the bench" you might want to tweet on another sport

Tommy has his shtick but quite frankly I'm disappointed in everything else from him

He couldn't take a shot at Randle after the game so he dug up some nonsense about Thibs. So lame.

EwingsGlass @ 10/5/2022 12:31 PM
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Mitch will struggle to get 24 minutes a game because of Hart. And that's not a bad thing.

Not sure I agree. Hart will have to control personal fouls to have that effect. But both Robinson and Hart can be more aggressive with Sims in the wings.

EwingsGlass @ 10/5/2022 12:33 PM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Quentin Grimes says hello. He backs up EF.

Brunson/EF
IQ/Rose: In this instance Rose is the PG

Lets say there are 30 games where Drose is out. The question becomes Brunson likely goes 35 min. That opens Grimes to be paired with Either IQ or Deuce. Neither has shown superior playmaking skills. IQ can shoot, but Deuce defense is the shine for him.
Grimes can pick up minutes backing RJ. So can EF. Cam needs that spot to stay.

We can only guess the Thibian mind and guess he thinks defense first so the logic is “Play Miles and let him play his way to a better tommorow”……. We know the yoot loving fans mantra by now. But Miles will camp in the corner on offense and that puts his transition defense a bit harder to implement.

Food for PhilC: Elf was a good defender and 6-5. He could score and play make. I know this will rot and rent space in your head but Deuce is not as good as Elf. This is not a stretch. He is a second year player who by admission of his college coach came out a year early and also said that Deuce was cool to learn from the bench. That we know and heard in an interview. Thus, its not hate to say “he is not ready”. Its the point of debate “well if we don’t win why not win but develop at the same time”. Thats a good debate and one whose answer lies perhaps in when a playin position is not attainable and we throw in the towel. Not one that can be said after one preseason game.

As a “Mini Marcus smart” we have to remember how many seasons it took for Smart to get his offensive game going and that he only became the starting PG last season. Thgedefense and leadership kept him on the court until the rest of his game caught up. McBride was drafted for his potential. It takes time to unfold.

Some fans when it happens will point to themselves and say “See, I told you”. Others will mutter “finally”.
No two players are the same. No two fans are the same.

Frank ran out of time and yet while some pointed to themselves and said “he’ll never play in the nba again”, he does.
I don’t know where his career goes but in Dallas its about the coach, the system, the chemistry, and execution. Frank has to hit his open looks. If he does his defense will change games. We saw that. Paired with Luka he gets space.
And I don’t give two rats asses where Elf is or isn’t. I reference that for 2/3 of the 4 seed season he contributed to a chemistry that kept things going until Drose resurrection took off. Deuce is not as good as Elf. But I want him to be. We do love our defensive minded guards!

I think IQ is in the lead for backup SG. Not sure why folks think its Grimes' spot to lose. One of those tough roster battles, but IQ would seem to be in the lead on that.

Rookie @ 10/5/2022 12:33 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
Kemet wrote:
Marv wrote:
Rookie wrote:
martin wrote:OMG

Clean wrote:

He’s the Kadarius Toney of the NBA

time to let go

gotta face reality sometime guys


After 11 minutes of playing time, and 1-6 FG shooting Cam Reddish left the game having a ankle injury.
It looks like the (injury-prone) Cam Reddish trade never should've happened, and the Knicks should've selected 6.8 Jalen Williams with the 11 pick in the draft.

I'm still expecting the Knicks to win all their preseason games by 20 pts vs Lottery teams !!!

I get the feeling that if you have 12 and the dealer is showing a 3, you stay every time. Sometimes you have to take a gamble! Cam was the number three ranked player in?high school. Knicks saw some potential and took a swing.

Cam can be a lock down defender. He needs to dribble never. If you're open...shoot. If not...pass. 3 and D. None of it matters if he can't stay healthy.

I'd send Cam and a sweetener to Detroit for Saddiq Bey. Lets round up all the Villanova boys

Rookie @ 10/5/2022 12:35 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
martin wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
blkexec wrote:
Philc1 wrote:I want McBride in the rotation this year even if he’s just a backup pg. his defense is disruptive

I agree but there’s a few players ahead of him.

JB
Rose
IQ
Grimes
Fournier

But I believe this proves my point on why I was on thigs last season when instead of turning to Burks (when Kemba went down and when it was clear Burks was not the answer). I’m not saying he should’ve started, but IQ could’ve started and deuce as backup. I feel like deuce would’ve been even better this year. But hey I’m just a fan what do I know. I’ll keep my trust in thibs for now. Maybe this was better for him may be not. Right now he seems even more ready to impact the team even as a defensive specialist. Lots of dynamic and shifty guards in the league. Glad we have someone who can guard them.

Hand picked by thibs himself. And with his play so far I can see this team making some minor trades which is needed in order to see these guys like deuce on the court during the regular season.

The only player really ahead of McBride is rose for backup pg and he’s old and fragile. Even if Thibs views him more as a 2 that’s fine it just means he’s a backup 2 and IQ becomes backup pg when Rose gets hurt


We have to be tenacious on defense and become the league’s best defensive team. I want to see McBride, Cam, and Mitch a lot in the rotation. Obviously Mitch will get 35 minutes a night but I want the other two involved as well

Mitch will struggle to get 24 minutes a game because of Hart. And that's not a bad thing.

Not sure I agree. Hart will have to control personal fouls to have that effect. But both Robinson and Hart can be more aggressive with Sims in the wings.

Didn't Hart play 30 min las night?

Clean @ 10/5/2022 12:54 PM
I really wish Taj would have stayed. There was games every year when he was one of the most impactful people when we needed the help due to injuries. I also noticed Brunson only played 18 minutes. It felt like he was playing 25 minutes with how much he seemed to be doing while on the floor.
martin @ 10/5/2022 1:37 PM
Uptown @ 10/5/2022 1:50 PM
SergioNYK wrote:It felt nice to sit down and watch a Knicks game! Having a capable PG made it 100x better too! Brunson is already a favorite of mine. Love his pace and footwork offensively! He also might be small but he battles defensively. Cunningham tried to bully him down low and Brunson was having none of it! I also really liked what I saw from Deuce. I really hope Thibs saves Rose this season and doesn't play him heavy minutes or every game. Let Deuce get some of those minutes this season.

Good to see all the players in shape. Everyone did their thing and I really have no complaints except for some of Obi's shot selection. He needs to chill out with the threes. And sucks about Reddish! Kid can't catch a break!

The pre season is the perfect time to work on the things you added in the summer...Regardless, Obi is going to have to hit the 3 at a respectable clip throughout the season.

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