I just dont see a lot of high tier players that are going to be available... but Cha isnt going anywhere and might go for it for draft comp. Something like Fournier/Rose (Rose then goes to LA or wherever for draft comp as well) and the Dallas/Milw picks.
Hayward is 32 and was hurt earlier but he's still a fantastic player and a Brunson/RJ/Hayward/Randle/Mitch line up is really solid. We keep all the young guys and our own picks as well
If we are buying without considering age than I agree. But on that note, another name to consider is Eric Gordon, who is similar age and provides more defensively still at this age. And fun fact, he just signed with CAA.
Knixkik wrote:If we are buying without considering age than I agree. But on that note, another name to consider is Eric Gordon, who is similar age and provides more defensively still at this age. And fun fact, he just signed with CAA.
Eric Gordon is a good player but not sure he moves the needle much with our current roster. We have a lot of guys with that skill set, even if Gordon is more polished than most. Thing with Hayward is he moves RJ to the 2, and he's a just sub all star player right now. Hayward is as good as anyone on our roster, his problem is staying on the court, but he's great when he is. He's also a guy who really benefits/helps a balanced roster. That's a pretty good front 4 behind Mitch
Hayward would help but we need to focus on the longterm and not quick fixes. The team has played three tough teams and lost all three games. That's called growing pains. As long as we win the games against inferior teams and keep getting better, then we stay the course and hope that Grimes, Toppin, and Quickley continue to develop. We should definitely look to trade Rose for a draft pick. While Rose can still help, it is time to give the backup minutes to Quickley and give McBride a chance. I would not be interest in either Hayward or Gordon. Both a good players, but I don't think that is the direction this team needs to go given that both are over 31 years old.
I like Hayward. But you could make the case that the Hornets have about as good a chance of making the playoffs as the Knicks. I'm not sure they'd be open to the idea of trading Hayward for Fournier... At least not yet. Also, $30M is a lot of cap space and he's got one more left after this season. How about Randle and Fournier for Hayward and Oubre?
BigDaddyG wrote:I like Hayward. But you could make the case that the Hornets have about as good a chance of making the playoffs as the Knicks. I'm not sure they'd be open to the idea of trading Hayward for Fournier... At least not yet. Also, $30M is a lot of cap space and he's got one more left after this season. How about Randle and Fournier for Hayward and Oubre?
I like Oubre a lot and wanted to sign him when he was a FA, but that leaves us very weak at the 4. I know you have a special fondness for Randle but I like his play at the 4, especially when he's not the alpha. He's also super physical. Our ability to bang helps
BigDaddyG wrote:I like Hayward. But you could make the case that the Hornets have about as good a chance of making the playoffs as the Knicks. I'm not sure they'd be open to the idea of trading Hayward for Fournier... At least not yet. Also, $30M is a lot of cap space and he's got one more left after this season. How about Randle and Fournier for Hayward and Oubre?
I would do this trade - but just barely. We would lose a lot of physicality but it would help increase ball movement, allow Obi time to learn how to rebound and we Oubre would add athleticism and length defensively. It would not really help our outside shooting woes as Oubre is pretty streaky and while Hayward is solid shooting-wise - he's injured quite a bit. But overall I would do it to free up a lot of salary going forward. With Hayward only having one more year - he could be packaged more easily if a high quality player emerges.
no way
too much injury risk plus not sure how he handles pressure
we need alpha personalities. they don't even need to be our best player. but someone who plays best when it matters most -- robert horry, mario elle those kind of people
i feel Jalen is one of those. I don't think Julius is and not sure what RJ is but if i had to choose i'd guess he would wilt
fishmike wrote:I just dont see a lot of high tier players that are going to be available... but Cha isnt going anywhere and might go for it for draft comp. Something like Fournier/Rose (Rose then goes to LA or wherever for draft comp as well) and the Dallas/Milw picks.Hayward is 32 and was hurt earlier but he's still a fantastic player and a Brunson/RJ/Hayward/Randle/Mitch line up is really solid. We keep all the young guys and our own picks as well
Interesting idea. Do like Hayward.
Concern is that he makes $30M. For essentially the same player as Fournier.
Fournier with better 3pt percentage thus far this year and last year.
Also, how would we get Hayward the minutes he is getting with the Hornets?(close to 32)
Especially with Grimes coming back.
Like the idea of getting rid of Fournier and Rose but only if Grimes comes back and performs at high click and we can get another 3pt shooter back. We need all the shooting we can get.
I had over the summer proposed Randall for Hayward. Some posters made fun of the idea of " Another trade Randall post " trade Randall Yesterday, today, and forever.
oubre is a knuckle head and would drive Thibs crazy. I like Haywoods game but at that price and age not in our timeline.
WE get him to replace EF?
I believe his money could replace Randle. Jules does have a 15% trade kicker which is not chump change BTW.
We can then hate on Obi which should make the most typical Knick fan happy. Actually trade Randle, insert Obi, when he does not step up then we hate on Thibs, and then we again yell for Dolan to sell the team. As if that solves the on court issues.
Fixing this year vs. fixing the long term. WE 7 games in.
Despite fan love and optimism the reality is and was we are not that good. Not bad, but not that good.
I started a post arguing to trade for him, but unless it is EF + something of marginal value, I am not all that interested. Last year he was average. This year, so far, he has been average. That would seem to indicate to me that he is one the downslope of his career.
fishmike wrote:Knixkik wrote:If we are buying without considering age than I agree. But on that note, another name to consider is Eric Gordon, who is similar age and provides more defensively still at this age. And fun fact, he just signed with CAA.
Eric Gordon is a good player but not sure he moves the needle much with our current roster. We have a lot of guys with that skill set, even if Gordon is more polished than most. Thing with Hayward is he moves RJ to the 2, and he's a just sub all star player right now. Hayward is as good as anyone on our roster, his problem is staying on the court, but he's great when he is. He's also a guy who really benefits/helps a balanced roster. That's a pretty good front 4 behind Mitch
Hayward has the same strengths and weaknesses as Fournier. He's just taller, less reliable and might be a worst defender (as far as lateral movement).
Eric Gordon is solid, but also inconsistent.
These types of trades are good for a playoff team. But for us, I doubt it moves the needle at all.
Either we make a trade that put us into playoff contention or trade the vets (EF, Randle, Rose) for picks or young bench players. And let the chips fall with the youth. Grab a decent pick and do it again, until the right trade comes around. Meanwhile continue to build and strengthen our base so when we land that major All Star player, we will have a ready made playoff team by then.
If you trade Randle for him, a lineup of Brunson, RJ, GH, Obi and Mitch can actually work really well on offense. The defense still stinks (not that it’s great with Randle) but there would be an easier flow to the offense and we’d have a shooter that knows how to actually play. Obi would need to change his role by not shooting down the court for a fast break every single time. We would need him for rebounding.
Literally the last guy I want. Injury prone, expensive, slow
I applaud people thinking of ways to improve team but this would be horrible
We need alpha types who don’t crumble under pressure
Why did I think Spencer Haywood
Fournier and a protected first round pick for Eric Gordon makes a lot of sense to me. Similar offensive talent with more defensive resistance.
Knixkik wrote:Fournier and a protected first round pick for Eric Gordon makes a lot of sense to me. Similar offensive talent with more defensive resistance.
No no, no giving away free picks for a 34yo player, this ain’t Steve Mills territory
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Fournier and a protected first round pick for Eric Gordon makes a lot of sense to me. Similar offensive talent with more defensive resistance.
No no, no giving away free picks for a 34yo player, this ain’t Steve Mills territory
Well it’s as much to eliminate Fournier as well. But I understand what you’re saying.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Fournier and a protected first round pick for Eric Gordon makes a lot of sense to me. Similar offensive talent with more defensive resistance.
No no, no giving away free picks for a 34yo player, this ain’t Steve Mills territory
Well it’s as much to eliminate Fournier as well.
You can do that for free, just bench him. Except when he gets hot tonight against Celtics.
Knixkik wrote:Fournier and a protected first round pick for Eric Gordon makes a lot of sense to me. Similar offensive talent with more defensive resistance.
Just don't play him. Next year he is an expiring
