Knicks · [Game Thread 11/5/22] Knicks vs Celtics 7:30PM (page 6)
Clean wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Clean wrote:
This is a fundamental problem with Thibs scheme. It's been this way since he was signed. If teams shoot poorly on open shots our defense looks great. If they shoot well on open shots our D looks like trash. Thibs was never a defensive genius he just rolled the dice that teams could not hit open shots from deep. This worked back in the day because there was not an emphasis on 3pt shooting. Now every team except us and the Lakers can easily knock down open 3's.This seems to suggest that Thibs should go. If he cannot install a solid defense. what is he good for? There are better offensive coaches out there.
I would still hate to see a radical mid-season move, like firing Thibs. We are not winning a chip this year, and between yet another 1st round playoff exit (which is our ceiling) and a shot at Viktor W, I might prefer the latter.
This scheme in it self is not bad. What makes it bad is my second issue with Thibs. You have to fight him for him to make in game or in season adjustments. I have no problem with him prioritizing to protect the paint. However, if the team shows you they can hit those open shots its time for plan B. The issue is Thibs does not have a plan B. He will continually go with those dice rolls on them missing open shots. The problem is the odds are no longer in his favor.
I was never a Thibs fan when he was hired- I’ve had to give him props for his first year miracle- but that is looking more like an aberration than anything Thibs did.
Amazingly, we stayed close with the Celtics. They are clearly a better team. They came together last year and their core is amazing, great defense, stout athletes. Their shooting is what undid them against GS in the finals. They’ve improved a lot this year- they are ranked 5th for 3pt %(we’re 25
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In game adjustments and flexibility. I looked at the box score and he seemed to go heavy with minutes on the starting five, more so than he has done this year. I don’t think you can realistically go 10 deep, no matter how much I was a fan of Pitino’s Knicks that pressed and bombed 3s before it was fashionable.
In the 4th, Boston simply shot us out of the game. They shot 6 of 10 from 3, we shot 1 of 5.
They made 6 FTs, we made 1.
That was pretty much the differential right there.
Now- weirdly, I look at Obi’s line and it’s pretty anemic- he played just 15 minutes, scored 7 points- not especially strong shooting night.
But he was our leading scorer for the 4th quarter in just 6 minutes with all of his 7 points.
FFS! Obi is an offensive talent. He is our only 3pt threat at this point, he is a high efficiency scorer unlike RJ & Randle.
When does a coach actually think- oh shit, I’ve got a tool I haven’t been using.
Obi should be getting 28 minutes at least a night.
For anyone who says Thibs cares about defense, that actually isn’t coming through.
franco12 wrote:Clean wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:Clean wrote:
This is a fundamental problem with Thibs scheme. It's been this way since he was signed. If teams shoot poorly on open shots our defense looks great. If they shoot well on open shots our D looks like trash. Thibs was never a defensive genius he just rolled the dice that teams could not hit open shots from deep. This worked back in the day because there was not an emphasis on 3pt shooting. Now every team except us and the Lakers can easily knock down open 3's.This seems to suggest that Thibs should go. If he cannot install a solid defense. what is he good for? There are better offensive coaches out there.
I would still hate to see a radical mid-season move, like firing Thibs. We are not winning a chip this year, and between yet another 1st round playoff exit (which is our ceiling) and a shot at Viktor W, I might prefer the latter.
This scheme in it self is not bad. What makes it bad is my second issue with Thibs. You have to fight him for him to make in game or in season adjustments. I have no problem with him prioritizing to protect the paint. However, if the team shows you they can hit those open shots its time for plan B. The issue is Thibs does not have a plan B. He will continually go with those dice rolls on them missing open shots. The problem is the odds are no longer in his favor.
I was never a Thibs fan when he was hired- I’ve had to give him props for his first year miracle- but that is looking more like an aberration than anything Thibs did.
Amazingly, we stayed close with the Celtics. They are clearly a better team. They came together last year and their core is amazing, great defense, stout athletes. Their shooting is what undid them against GS in the finals. They’ve improved a lot this year- they are ranked 5th for 3pt %(we’re 25
In game adjustments and flexibility. I looked at the box score and he seemed to go heavy with minutes on the starting five, more so than he has done this year. I don’t think you can realistically go 10 deep, no matter how much I was a fan of Pitino’s Knicks that pressed and bombed 3s before it was fashionable.
In the 4th, Boston simply shot us out of the game. They shot 6 of 10 from 3, we shot 1 of 5.
They made 6 FTs, we made 1.
That was pretty much the differential right there.
Now- weirdly, I look at Obi’s line and it’s pretty anemic- he played just 15 minutes, scored 7 points- not especially strong shooting night.
But he was our leading scorer for the 4th quarter in just 6 minutes with all of his 7 points.
FFS! Obi is an offensive talent. He is our only 3pt threat at this point, he is a high efficiency scorer unlike RJ & Randle.
When does a coach actually think- oh shit, I’ve got a tool I haven’t been using.
Obi should be getting 28 minutes at least a night.
For anyone who says Thibs cares about defense, that actually isn’t coming through.
This is a great thread. But Thibs gamble failed precisely because the Celtics shot 53% from three.
If the Celts ONLY shoot 41% from three the Knicks probably win and that's still asking your opponent to hit a very high percentage of their threes to win.
Guys, sometimes a loss is another team doing something incredible to win.