Knicks · [Game Thread 11/9/22] Knicks at Nets 7:30PM (page 6)
Nalod wrote:Durant is hoop savant. I like that he pulls the villain stuff out. Its not mean spirited. Its competitive and shows for the moment its his house. He is showing pride. We all know he wants out. When Harden and Vince Carter wanted out they sat out or just plain gave up on the court. Durant wants out. He stated as much. But he is a hoop junkie and doing his best. Given that, I respect his play.Fact is Durant and this nets era has owned the knicks on the court.
Last night was a shit show. Credit to coach Vaughn who gets an opportunity to coach and pulled this team together last 10 days thru adversity and they are playing well..500 teams are Inconsistant. We are.
Yes, yes KD is an all-time great. Eff him! 
... 😢... Wish we had him...
But last night was embarrassing. There is just no excuse for that lack of energy and effort on national TV against your rivals. I'm hearing too much 'they played harder then us' bs from the players. Too early for that! Fatigue should not be an issue! This falls on the HC and the leaders of the team to have this team ready to go every game!
Give the Nets credit. Vaughn has been a shinning light for that team. He has them playing together and playing hard. And of course KD makes the game easy for everyone. All those wide open threes in the first quarter were because of KD and his greatness.
But Brunson needs to play harder on defense! No excuse letting Edmond freaking Sumner torch you and violate you like that! And piss poor job by Brunson running the team to start the game! Too much one on one and it starts with him. There is no Luka here! You cannot 'let the game come to you'. There are no games off!
And I know everyone is frustrated with Randle (I am too!) but if it wasn't for him, we would have lost this game by 50!
I really hope we can make a trade soon cause this .500 bs sucks! 
SergioNYK wrote:I'm trying hard not to get too emotionally invested in this team this season because it is what it is. When you're a .500 levle team, there are going to be up's and down's. I honestly think watching a .500 team is way more stressful then being a terrible 20 win team and of course a 50 win team. You just don't know what team will show up on a game by game basis.But last night was embarrassing. There is just no excuse for that lack of energy and effort on national TV against your rivals. I'm hearing too much 'they played harder then us' bs from the players. Too early for that! Fatigue should not be an issue! This falls on the HC and the leaders of the team to have this team ready to go every game!
Give the Nets credit. Vaughn has been a shinning light for that team. He has them playing together and playing hard. And of course KD makes the game easy for everyone. All those wide open threes in the first quarter were because of KD and his greatness.
But Brunson needs to play harder on defense! No excuse letting Edmond freaking Sumner torch you and violate you like that! And piss poor job by Brunson running the team to start the game! Too much one on one and it starts with him. There is no Luka here! You cannot 'let the game come to you'. There are no games off!
And I know everyone is frustrated with Randle (I am too!) but if it wasn't for him, we would have lost this game by 50!
I really hope we can make a trade soon cause this .500 bs sucks!
I did the same. I detached my heart from this team after the Hornets game. I saw too many bad things that I knew I would be in for trouble if I stayed emotionally invested.
SergioNYK wrote:I'm trying hard not to get too emotionally invested in this team this season because it is what it is. When you're a .500 level team, there are going to be up's and down's. I honestly think watching a .500 team is way more stressful then being a terrible 20 win team and of course a 50 win team. You just don't know what team will show up on a game by game basis.But last night was embarrassing. There is just no excuse for that lack of energy and effort on national TV against your rivals. I'm hearing too much 'they played harder then us' bs from the players. Too early for that! Fatigue should not be an issue! This falls on the HC and the leaders of the team to have this team ready to go every game!
Give the Nets credit. Vaughn has been a shinning light for that team. He has them playing together and playing hard. And of course KD makes the game easy for everyone. All those wide open threes in the first quarter were because of KD and his greatness.
But Brunson needs to play harder on defense! No excuse letting Edmond freaking Sumner torch you and violate you like that! And piss poor job by Brunson running the team to start the game! Too much one on one and it starts with him. There is no Luka here! You cannot 'let the game come to you'. There are no games off!
And I know everyone is frustrated with Randle (I am too!) but if it wasn't for him, we would have lost this game by 50!
I really hope we can make a trade soon cause this .500 bs sucks!
Love your post. But the next to last line got me.... If we can lose by 25 with Randle then i'm ok with losing by 50 without.
There is no universe where Randle leads us to even the land adjacent to the promised land so the sooner we get off his contract and free OBI the better.
Sambakick wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm trying hard not to get too emotionally invested in this team this season because it is what it is. When you're a .500 level team, there are going to be up's and down's. I honestly think watching a .500 team is way more stressful then being a terrible 20 win team and of course a 50 win team. You just don't know what team will show up on a game by game basis.But last night was embarrassing. There is just no excuse for that lack of energy and effort on national TV against your rivals. I'm hearing too much 'they played harder then us' bs from the players. Too early for that! Fatigue should not be an issue! This falls on the HC and the leaders of the team to have this team ready to go every game!
Give the Nets credit. Vaughn has been a shinning light for that team. He has them playing together and playing hard. And of course KD makes the game easy for everyone. All those wide open threes in the first quarter were because of KD and his greatness.
But Brunson needs to play harder on defense! No excuse letting Edmond freaking Sumner torch you and violate you like that! And piss poor job by Brunson running the team to start the game! Too much one on one and it starts with him. There is no Luka here! You cannot 'let the game come to you'. There are no games off!
And I know everyone is frustrated with Randle (I am too!) but if it wasn't for him, we would have lost this game by 50!
I really hope we can make a trade soon cause this .500 bs sucks!
Love your post. But the next to last line got me.... If we can lose by 25 with Randle then i'm ok with losing by 50 without.
There is no universe where Randle leads us to even the land adjacent to the promised land so the sooner we get off his contract and free OBI the better.
Tired of this thinking. One in which we are suppose to trade proven players and trust unsupported hope. This is the reason why we have sucked for so many years. Years in which fans are waiting for draft picks and hopefuls like Chandler, Hardaway, Frye, Fields. Hill, Frank, Knox, Obi, Grimes, IQ and every other unproven dream to materialize. How about we just build a team with players that have shown they can play in the NBA and not just in fans dreams? And allow players like Obi to continue to prove he is one of those before we propel him over others that have. Randle is not going to "get us to the promised land" but the mindset of accumulating and developing proven players will get us closer to that than a bunch of unproven fan favorites that have yet to prove anything.
FYI, you may want to check the stats for the last 4 games before you go calling for trades. That is if you want to be constructive.
HofstraBBall wrote:Sambakick wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm trying hard not to get too emotionally invested in this team this season because it is what it is. When you're a .500 level team, there are going to be up's and down's. I honestly think watching a .500 team is way more stressful then being a terrible 20 win team and of course a 50 win team. You just don't know what team will show up on a game by game basis.But last night was embarrassing. There is just no excuse for that lack of energy and effort on national TV against your rivals. I'm hearing too much 'they played harder then us' bs from the players. Too early for that! Fatigue should not be an issue! This falls on the HC and the leaders of the team to have this team ready to go every game!
Give the Nets credit. Vaughn has been a shinning light for that team. He has them playing together and playing hard. And of course KD makes the game easy for everyone. All those wide open threes in the first quarter were because of KD and his greatness.
But Brunson needs to play harder on defense! No excuse letting Edmond freaking Sumner torch you and violate you like that! And piss poor job by Brunson running the team to start the game! Too much one on one and it starts with him. There is no Luka here! You cannot 'let the game come to you'. There are no games off!
And I know everyone is frustrated with Randle (I am too!) but if it wasn't for him, we would have lost this game by 50!
I really hope we can make a trade soon cause this .500 bs sucks!
Love your post. But the next to last line got me.... If we can lose by 25 with Randle then i'm ok with losing by 50 without.
There is no universe where Randle leads us to even the land adjacent to the promised land so the sooner we get off his contract and free OBI the better.
Tired of this thinking. One in which we are suppose to trade proven players and trust unsupported hope. This is the reason why we have sucked for so many years. Years in which fans are waiting for draft picks and hopefuls like Chandler, Hardaway, Frye, Fields. Hill, Frank, Knox, Obi, Grimes, IQ and every other unproven dream to materialize. How about we just build a team with players that have shown they can play in the NBA and not just in fans dreams? And allow players like Obi to continue to prove he is one of those before we propel him over others that have. Randle is not going to "get us to the promised land" but the mindset of accumulating and developing proven players will get us closer to that than a bunch of unproven fan favorites that have yet to prove anything.
FYI, you may want to check the stats for the last 4 games before you go calling for trades. That is if you want to be constructive.
Because the salary cap doesn't really allow for that. You need to make decisions on players and manage accordingly. I a perfect world, you can sign vets and wait for the younger guys to takeover. I the real world, a mediocre teams with 4 players making close to or more than $20M just means a deadend.
BigDaddyG wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Sambakick wrote:SergioNYK wrote:I'm trying hard not to get too emotionally invested in this team this season because it is what it is. When you're a .500 level team, there are going to be up's and down's. I honestly think watching a .500 team is way more stressful then being a terrible 20 win team and of course a 50 win team. You just don't know what team will show up on a game by game basis.But last night was embarrassing. There is just no excuse for that lack of energy and effort on national TV against your rivals. I'm hearing too much 'they played harder then us' bs from the players. Too early for that! Fatigue should not be an issue! This falls on the HC and the leaders of the team to have this team ready to go every game!
Give the Nets credit. Vaughn has been a shinning light for that team. He has them playing together and playing hard. And of course KD makes the game easy for everyone. All those wide open threes in the first quarter were because of KD and his greatness.
But Brunson needs to play harder on defense! No excuse letting Edmond freaking Sumner torch you and violate you like that! And piss poor job by Brunson running the team to start the game! Too much one on one and it starts with him. There is no Luka here! You cannot 'let the game come to you'. There are no games off!
And I know everyone is frustrated with Randle (I am too!) but if it wasn't for him, we would have lost this game by 50!
I really hope we can make a trade soon cause this .500 bs sucks!
Love your post. But the next to last line got me.... If we can lose by 25 with Randle then i'm ok with losing by 50 without.
There is no universe where Randle leads us to even the land adjacent to the promised land so the sooner we get off his contract and free OBI the better.
Tired of this thinking. One in which we are suppose to trade proven players and trust unsupported hope. This is the reason why we have sucked for so many years. Years in which fans are waiting for draft picks and hopefuls like Chandler, Hardaway, Frye, Fields. Hill, Frank, Knox, Obi, Grimes, IQ and every other unproven dream to materialize. How about we just build a team with players that have shown they can play in the NBA and not just in fans dreams? And allow players like Obi to continue to prove he is one of those before we propel him over others that have. Randle is not going to "get us to the promised land" but the mindset of accumulating and developing proven players will get us closer to that than a bunch of unproven fan favorites that have yet to prove anything.
FYI, you may want to check the stats for the last 4 games before you go calling for trades. That is if you want to be constructive.
Because the salary cap doesn't really allow for that. You need to make decisions on players and manage accordingly. I a perfect world, you can sign vets and wait for the younger guys to takeover. I the real world, a mediocre teams with 4 players making close to or more than $20M just means a deadend.
Agree with that. But what should be the barometer in deciding which players should be kept. Randle is reasonably priced for his level of production. Especially when we have other players who we may not be able to say the same of. Were the extension for RJ and MR justified? How do we get rid of those have not worked out? ie EF?
And btw, I am not saying to trade or give up on kids like IQ, Grimes, Obi, MR or RJ. My favorite players are IQ and Grimes. Both who have potential but have proven very little. I am saying that you cannot trade your best player without having an alternative. And "lets give my hopeful a try" is not good enough for me and what I have eluded to. Is Obi more than that? Showing he may be. Obi has has improved and playing more complete. But we cant say he has proven that on a large scale. So what's the rush? He still has a lot of things he still needs to work on. Do agree he should get more time and leniency to do so though.
I know you don't agree with me but Randle is not our biggest concern. Yes he can be frustrating to watch. Cannot stand when he dribbles the ball and tries to make something happen. Can't stand his lack of composure at key times. However, he is a physically tough PF, decent shooter, showing good effort level, very good rebounder and is willing to be here, change and improve. Do I want a better player? Absolutely. But where is he? I had no problems including him for DM. I'll take Jeremi Grant for him. But can we be sure these are guys that would put us over the hump? Are these guys that have propelled their teams to more than playoff losers? Are they guys that would change our current roster to playoff contention?
They may be guys that like Randle, would not be enough and we would be blaming for all our failures.
Feel decisions will be made in due time. After last night, it does not look like anyone we have is a difference maker or worth keeping. Maybe the package for DM was the move, Who knows. Just another reminder of how hard it is to put a solid playoff team together and how we are not looking like we are close to that.