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This is an every game thing guys. Sooner or later you are going to have to blame coaching.
This has been an ongoing theme, for years, when teams visit the Garden. How many times have we seen teams light us up from 3? How many 3rd or 4th option players have career shooting nights against us?
martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
The Knicks have Thibs and too many vets. Rip the bandaid off and reboot.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first reaction is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
So Randle not getting punished for poor basketball plays like Obi does is mumbo jumbo? Cool, We wont agree so lets just end this here. Have a blessed rest of the day.
MS wrote:And we will be just bad enough not to get a difference maker.Don’t see a lot to hold onto on this roster. We are only missing Robinson, and the talent we do have is underwhelming. Rose has sucked so far, his drafts have been fair and his signings have been below average.
Pathetic effort today.
Same shit every year. This team is never bad in the right year. When the player is there to change their fortunes they draft the wrong guy. They could have gotten Mitchell, Shai, passed on both of them. They will end up the 10th seed or be the best team to miss the playoffs. Just good enough to not game the franchise changing player we need to put the roster over the top.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
So Randle not getting punished for poor basketball plays like Obi does is mumbo jumbo? Cool, We wont agree so lets just end this here. Have a blessed rest of the day.
Why do you think people will have a back and forth with you when you are making stuff up and then throwing out a diagnosis of a players conscious when you have zero clue about that?
I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect. Obi has been the most prolific shooter in terms of attempts and he has been the Knicks best eFG% shooter which is incredible.
Next step for Obi is to make better decisions and play with force, be a focal point instead of a outlet player (today, Cam played with force instead of an out let player and I thought played within the game; RJ has played with force but his talent level for shooting and passing is not there; Randle plays with force but his decision making is about as bad as RJ's). I'm guessing that is what the Knicks are holding Obi to: decision making and don't wait on the game, take it.
You are getting into the Kemet territory TBH
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Cam had himself a great game tonight. He just might end up starting for the rest of the season. Who saw that happening when the season started?
Kemet wrote:This week, I'm looking for Knicks media to start printing the Knicks hiring coach Udoka !!!
Dont be this out of touch
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
So Randle not getting punished for poor basketball plays like Obi does is mumbo jumbo? Cool, We wont agree so lets just end this here. Have a blessed rest of the day.
Why do you think people will have a back and forth with you when you are making stuff up and then throwing out a diagnosis of a players conscious when you have zero clue about that?
I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect. Obi has been the most prolific shooter in terms of attempts and he has been the Knicks best eFG% shooter which is incredible.
Next step for Obi is to make better decisions and play with force, be a focal point instead of a outlet player (today, Cam played with force instead of an out let player and I thought played within the game; RJ has played with force but his talent level for shooting and passing is not there; Randle plays with force but his decision making is about as bad as RJ's). I'm guessing that is what the Knicks are holding Obi to: decision making and don't wait on the game, take it.
You are getting into the Kemet territory TBH
are you really this confused by what instinct and tendencies are when talking about basketball? There is a reason why scouts get paid to write reports on players. If it was as simple as looking at stats scouts would not be needed. Every player does things they are familiar with when put in specific situations. It is not a hard concept to understand. This is all I am talking about with Obi. Seeing how left this convo went over something that could easily be in a scouting report has me confused more than anything. Obi is not some complex player. He is slowly changing but he is what he is. I don't need a PHD to know what his tendencies are.
I already detached from this team so I really don't care. I am only typing this post because I am legit confused at how you can watch Obi play for all these years and not understand how he operates as a player. Did you ever play organized basketball? This is legit something I was doing as a kid. It is how I noticed that Indiana rookie was pump faking every time he had a defender running at him before any of the coaches did.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
The bottom line was OKC speeded up the tempo of the game in the 2nd quarter, and 3rd quarter, and Brunson, Barrett, and Randle's defense couldn't slow OKC down. The Knicks best 2-Way up-tempo players are Obi Toppin, Cam Reddish, Quickly, Sims, Hart, Grimes, and D.Rose. The Knicks up-tempo players should've received 14 plus minutes in the 2nd half of the game.
And coach thibs perimeter defense has become consistent this season at giving opponents wide open jumpers throughout all 4 quarters of the game this season.
I'm hoping when MitchRob return the Knicks have hired a new head coach .. coaching staff STINKS giving up a 122 points in 3 quarters !!!
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
So Randle not getting punished for poor basketball plays like Obi does is mumbo jumbo? Cool, We wont agree so lets just end this here. Have a blessed rest of the day.
Why do you think people will have a back and forth with you when you are making stuff up and then throwing out a diagnosis of a players conscious when you have zero clue about that?
I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect. Obi has been the most prolific shooter in terms of attempts and he has been the Knicks best eFG% shooter which is incredible.
Next step for Obi is to make better decisions and play with force, be a focal point instead of a outlet player (today, Cam played with force instead of an out let player and I thought played within the game; RJ has played with force but his talent level for shooting and passing is not there; Randle plays with force but his decision making is about as bad as RJ's). I'm guessing that is what the Knicks are holding Obi to: decision making and don't wait on the game, take it.
You are getting into the Kemet territory TBH
are you really this confused by what instinct and tendencies are when talking about basketball? There is a reason why scouts get paid to write reports on players. If it was as simple as looking at stats scouts would not be needed. Every player does things they are familiar with when put in specific situations. It is not a hard concept to understand. This is all I am talking about with Obi. Seeing how left this convo went over something that could easily be in a scouting report has me confused more than anything. Obi is not some complex player. He is slowly changing but he is what he is. I don't need a PHD to know what his tendencies are.
I already detached from this team so I really don't care. I am only typing this post because I am legit confused at how you can watch Obi play for all these years and not understand how he operates as a player. Did you ever play organized basketball? This is legit something I was doing as a kid. It is how I noticed that Indiana rookie was pump faking every time he had a defender running at him before any of the coaches did.
Cause you are just flat wrong and your theory isn't backed up by anything besides that odd feeling of trying to rationalize something that is not there. When you have a player that is shooting the most shots on a per minute basis on the team, his tendency is more likely to shoot when he gets the ball. Obi is also a willing ball mover, maybe his thought process was a better shot for his struggling buddy.
2 years ago Obi wasn't that guy and his tendency was to hesitate or pass.
You can't even bring yourself to the point of considering it was decision making error and I don't need a PhD to see that either.
Your excuse-making creativity gets an A+ though.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
So Randle not getting punished for poor basketball plays like Obi does is mumbo jumbo? Cool, We wont agree so lets just end this here. Have a blessed rest of the day.
Why do you think people will have a back and forth with you when you are making stuff up and then throwing out a diagnosis of a players conscious when you have zero clue about that?
I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect. Obi has been the most prolific shooter in terms of attempts and he has been the Knicks best eFG% shooter which is incredible.
Next step for Obi is to make better decisions and play with force, be a focal point instead of a outlet player (today, Cam played with force instead of an out let player and I thought played within the game; RJ has played with force but his talent level for shooting and passing is not there; Randle plays with force but his decision making is about as bad as RJ's). I'm guessing that is what the Knicks are holding Obi to: decision making and don't wait on the game, take it.
You are getting into the Kemet territory TBH
are you really this confused by what instinct and tendencies are when talking about basketball? There is a reason why scouts get paid to write reports on players. If it was as simple as looking at stats scouts would not be needed. Every player does things they are familiar with when put in specific situations. It is not a hard concept to understand. This is all I am talking about with Obi. Seeing how left this convo went over something that could easily be in a scouting report has me confused more than anything. Obi is not some complex player. He is slowly changing but he is what he is. I don't need a PHD to know what his tendencies are.
I already detached from this team so I really don't care. I am only typing this post because I am legit confused at how you can watch Obi play for all these years and not understand how he operates as a player. Did you ever play organized basketball? This is legit something I was doing as a kid. It is how I noticed that Indiana rookie was pump faking every time he had a defender running at him before any of the coaches did.
Cause you are just flat wrong and your theory isn't backed up by anything besides that odd feeling of trying to rationalize something that is not there. When you have a player that is shooting the most shots on a per minute basis on the team, his tendency is more likely to shoot when he gets the ball. Obi is also a willing ball mover, maybe his thought process was a better shot for his struggling buddy.
2 years ago Obi wasn't that guy and his tendency was to hesitate or pass.
You can't even bring yourself to the point of considering it was decision making error and I don't need a PhD to see that either.
Your excuse-making creativity gets an A+ though.
You say this one post "I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect."
Then you say this the next post "Cause you are just flat wrong and your theory isn't backed up by anything besides that odd feeling of trying to rationalize something that is not there."
Do you not see the cognitive dissonance? You don't know at all why something happened but you do know for sure that I am flat wrong.
Lets try this again. It is OK to not agree with someone about a specific topic. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
Obi is still operating like the can't shoot player. This is instinct and will take time to break. It is like if an overweight person suddenly loses weight and looks hot. It will take time for them to break how they viewed themselves before and to build self-esteem. In Obi's case you do that from playing time and drilling into him to shoot that shot. So pulling him is stunting the maturation of his game.
Since we are on the topic of pulling players for bad basketball plays why he never pulls Randle? That play where the Thunder doubled him from the start. A good basketball play would be to move the ball so it finds the open man. Randle ISO's between the 2 defenders and jump passes the ball when he finally figures out he can do nothing with it. The pass goes directly to the a 3rd defender. How about when JB was open for a 3 right next to Randle. Randle took too long to notice the guy right next to him was open. Once he noticed it the defender had enough time to close the distance and we turned the ball over. How come Randle does not come out for Obi when he messes up? All the punishments seems to be one way. That is not good for a lockeroom.
Literally, no he isn't. You just made up something that you can't substantiate cause something doesn't fit your point.
On a per minute basis, Obi is shooting the most 3s per game on the team. And he is 3rd overall in shots per minute for all players on team behind Rose and RJ.
In Obi's first year, he hesitated so much it was ridiculous. He has made himself into a confident shooter. Now he has to be a smarter decision maker on both ends.
What you and a ton of others are frustrated with is his short hook and lack of minutes. It's not unreasonable especially how much we all hate Randle and his play.
If you are passing open shots like you said he is still operating like the guy who can't shoot. The thing you don't understand is that its not black and white. There is a thing called conscious and subconscious. Obi is obviously putting a conscious effort to take more 3's. He been telling us that since this summer. I am talking about subconsciously that is the reason why I said instinct. Instinct is what you do without thinking. Obi's first thought is to swing the ball. Well guess what that might not always be the best play now that he can shoot. The same way Randle's instinct is always to ISO first. Feel free to address the other part of my previous post also.
Bottom line, Obi made a poor decision and he got pulled at that same time. No idea if those 2 things were cause and effect.
The rest of your stuff is mumbo jumbo. Maybe you can tell us how you are delving and identifying what's going on in Obi's conscious cause that's fucking whack.
So Randle not getting punished for poor basketball plays like Obi does is mumbo jumbo? Cool, We wont agree so lets just end this here. Have a blessed rest of the day.
Why do you think people will have a back and forth with you when you are making stuff up and then throwing out a diagnosis of a players conscious when you have zero clue about that?
I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect. Obi has been the most prolific shooter in terms of attempts and he has been the Knicks best eFG% shooter which is incredible.
Next step for Obi is to make better decisions and play with force, be a focal point instead of a outlet player (today, Cam played with force instead of an out let player and I thought played within the game; RJ has played with force but his talent level for shooting and passing is not there; Randle plays with force but his decision making is about as bad as RJ's). I'm guessing that is what the Knicks are holding Obi to: decision making and don't wait on the game, take it.
You are getting into the Kemet territory TBH
are you really this confused by what instinct and tendencies are when talking about basketball? There is a reason why scouts get paid to write reports on players. If it was as simple as looking at stats scouts would not be needed. Every player does things they are familiar with when put in specific situations. It is not a hard concept to understand. This is all I am talking about with Obi. Seeing how left this convo went over something that could easily be in a scouting report has me confused more than anything. Obi is not some complex player. He is slowly changing but he is what he is. I don't need a PHD to know what his tendencies are.
I already detached from this team so I really don't care. I am only typing this post because I am legit confused at how you can watch Obi play for all these years and not understand how he operates as a player. Did you ever play organized basketball? This is legit something I was doing as a kid. It is how I noticed that Indiana rookie was pump faking every time he had a defender running at him before any of the coaches did.
Cause you are just flat wrong and your theory isn't backed up by anything besides that odd feeling of trying to rationalize something that is not there. When you have a player that is shooting the most shots on a per minute basis on the team, his tendency is more likely to shoot when he gets the ball. Obi is also a willing ball mover, maybe his thought process was a better shot for his struggling buddy.
2 years ago Obi wasn't that guy and his tendency was to hesitate or pass.
You can't even bring yourself to the point of considering it was decision making error and I don't need a PhD to see that either.
Your excuse-making creativity gets an A+ though.
You say this one post "I tried to point out to you when Obi was pulled and why that may have happened while noting I really don't know or if there was a cause/effect."Then you say this the next post "Cause you are just flat wrong and your theory isn't backed up by anything besides that odd feeling of trying to rationalize something that is not there."
Do you not see the cognitive dissonance? You don't know at all why something happened but you do know for sure that I am flat wrong.
Lets try this again. It is OK to not agree with someone about a specific topic. Let's just agree to disagree and move on.
When you make stuff up and can't substantiate anything there is nothing to agree or disagree with, it's plain rubbish man.
Get back to me when you are actually up for a back and forth, you are not even trying to reach for that. It's a good deflection with the Randle questions though, I dont need a PhD for that either, that's surface level. I have asked you about that on several different occasions and you have shied away every time.
martin wrote:Kemet wrote:This week, I'm looking for Knicks media to start printing the Knicks hiring coach Udoka !!!Dont be this out of touch
Our last 9 games and the 3-6 record says you are out of touch.
Start reading the scout reports on Knicks opponents, and watch Tom Thibs use the same boring strategy each game all 4 quarters. It's bad enough when the Knicks lose to all .500 record opponents, but the Knicks just loss 2 pitiful games to teams under .500
You need to stop clowning on the next fans comments n opinion !!!
martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
So you think Thibs pulled OBI for making the extra pass? I don't think that holds water.
Sambakick wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:Obi is shooting 80% FGs and 66% on 3's and can only get 14 minutes. The BS about him not getting playing time because of shooting was a damn lie. Thibs is going to lose his job hitching his ride to ISO Randle and Evan who is shooting 0% tonight.It's funny, I think Obi got pulled cause he didn't shoot it enough. He had a WIDE open 3 from ball movement and instead of shooting passed to an equally wide open IQ for corner 3.
It's a generous pass but that's exactly when Obi was pulled. Obi, best 3 pt shooter on team, passed an open shot to a struggle 3pt shooter. It's a basketball decision you have to be able to make in real time.
So you think Thibs pulled OBI for making the extra pass? I don't think that holds water.
No, I think Obi got pulled for not taking the shot, or at least that's the best I can see on that one particular play if it was the case (maybe there were other reasons). Again, Obi is the best 3pt shooter on the team and IQ is the worst.
Let's draw out an extreme example. Do you want Steph Curry to shoot the completely wide open shot or pass to a teammate in the corner who is shooting 28% from 3?
These are the types of real time decisions all players have to continually process to make smart, winning plays for their team.