Hear me out. I get that we have 3 quality centers who are all very capable. But while each of them brings something good to the table, it’s obviously that none are the answer. Mitch at his healthiest is an elite rim runner, offensive rebounder and rim protector, but he brings nothing else on offense and minor injuries seem to severely impact his effectiveness more often than not. Even when he’s on the floor he doesn’t always seem like himself. Hartenstein is solid all around but hasn’t been the 3pt threat or playmaker he’s advertised to be and routinely gets beat on the boards by more athletic big men. But a quality backup nonetheless. And Sims is a nice 3rd string who can top out as a quality backup. The Knicks other 4 starters; Brunson, grimes, Barrett and Randle are all difficult to upgrade over and only Randle is probably a player they want to move only because Toppin is on the roster to fill that role. So in other words, the 1 thru 4 are probably locked in for a bit. But at center, Knicks can target a more versatile offensive center and any of the 3 on the roster now can still fit into backup roles. KAT, Ayton and Turner are the main possibilities, with varying skill sets but all guys who can offer significant upgrades at a position where we don’t really have any other opportunities for upgrading the other 4 starting positions. Just some food for thought as this seems like the easiest path to improvement within the next year or so.
Unfortunately, todays game pretty much makes the center position obsolete. The player you described is a unicorn today and its a shame. I believe, Sims has the potential to be that versatile offensive player you describe but they don't train him to play that way. I feel this is the reason why players like A.Davis & KAT refuse to play the center position.
Swishfm3 wrote:Unfortunately, todays game pretty much makes the center position obsolete. The player you described is a unicorn today and its a shame. I believe, Sims has the potential to be that versatile offensive player you describe but they don't train him to play that way. I feel this is the reason why players like A.Davis & KAT refuse to play the center position.
The old rim running center is obsolete, or the slow footed 2-way bigs like Roy Hibbert. But these bigs like Turner and Ayton who can anchor a defense and score outside of the lane, while also shooting well enough from the free throw line are still valuable.
Knixkik wrote:Hear me out. I get that we have 3 quality centers who are all very capable. But while each of them brings something good to the table, it’s obviously that none are the answer. Mitch at his healthiest is an elite rim runner, offensive rebounder and rim protector, but he brings nothing else on offense and minor injuries seem to severely impact his effectiveness more often than not. Even when he’s on the floor he doesn’t always seem like himself. Hartenstein is solid all around but hasn’t been the 3pt threat or playmaker he’s advertised to be and routinely gets beat on the boards by more athletic big men. But a quality backup nonetheless. And Sims is a nice 3rd string who can top out as a quality backup. The Knicks other 4 starters; Brunson, grimes, Barrett and Randle are all difficult to upgrade over and only Randle is probably a player they want to move only because Toppin is on the roster to fill that role. So in other words, the 1 thru 4 are probably locked in for a bit. But at center, Knicks can target a more versatile offensive center and any of the 3 on the roster now can still fit into backup roles. KAT, Ayton and Turner are the main possibilities, with varying skill sets but all guys who can offer significant upgrades at a position where we don’t really have any other opportunities for upgrading the other 4 starting positions. Just some food for thought as this seems like the easiest path to improvement within the next year or so.
Right now none of those centers are the answer, but why are we caring about that type of short timeline? Gotta let them develop and play out.
Hart has literally never started before. He has never played with consistent minutes til last year. Last year was the first time he played 18 minutes a game.
Jericho has changed his FT shooting style and Thibs constantly raves about his short passing ability out of PnR while stressing he has only done it in practice.
IMHO Mitch only has started to realize what it takes to be a pro and what that level of training means.
We shall see how it unfolds.
martin wrote:Oh!
Man... Damned if you, damned if you don't. That's an injury that's not getting better anytime soon. Could be worse. He could be Zach Wilson.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Oh!
Man... Damned if you, damned if you don't. That's an injury that's not getting better anytime soon. Could be worse. He could be Zach Wilson.
I say bring on 30 minutes per game of Sims!
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Oh!
Man... Damned if you, damned if you don't. That's an injury that's not getting better anytime soon. Could be worse. He could be Zach Wilson.
I say bring on 30 minutes per game of Sims!
that could be messing up his shot for sure. Appreciate how good he's look playing through pain
I love Sims and love him so much I think he could be gem
Bol Bol should have been the target but Knicks like their unskilled bigs. Mitch shouldn’t even been given a contract much less entertained. Center that isn’t good from 5 feet out. Anyways they need to get their skilled center and push for Towns which won’t come cheap.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Hear me out. I get that we have 3 quality centers who are all very capable. But while each of them brings something good to the table, it’s obviously that none are the answer. Mitch at his healthiest is an elite rim runner, offensive rebounder and rim protector, but he brings nothing else on offense and minor injuries seem to severely impact his effectiveness more often than not. Even when he’s on the floor he doesn’t always seem like himself. Hartenstein is solid all around but hasn’t been the 3pt threat or playmaker he’s advertised to be and routinely gets beat on the boards by more athletic big men. But a quality backup nonetheless. And Sims is a nice 3rd string who can top out as a quality backup. The Knicks other 4 starters; Brunson, grimes, Barrett and Randle are all difficult to upgrade over and only Randle is probably a player they want to move only because Toppin is on the roster to fill that role. So in other words, the 1 thru 4 are probably locked in for a bit. But at center, Knicks can target a more versatile offensive center and any of the 3 on the roster now can still fit into backup roles. KAT, Ayton and Turner are the main possibilities, with varying skill sets but all guys who can offer significant upgrades at a position where we don’t really have any other opportunities for upgrading the other 4 starting positions. Just some food for thought as this seems like the easiest path to improvement within the next year or so.
Right now none of those centers are the answer, but why are we caring about that type of short timeline? Gotta let them develop and play out.
Hart has literally never started before. He has never played with consistent minutes til last year. Last year was the first time he played 18 minutes a game.
Jericho has changed his FT shooting style and Thibs constantly raves about his short passing ability out of PnR while stressing he has only done it in practice.
IMHO Mitch only has started to realize what it takes to be a pro and what that level of training means.
We shall see how it unfolds.
There’s no rush at all, but I know the expectation is the eventually take a step forward and I see the center position as the most opportunistic area. Picture a center who draws attention outside of the paint to give Brunson (and Barrett and Randle) more space to work with around the basket. No shot blocker lurking.
martin wrote:Oh!
so the answer is to play on it????
seriously....wtf?!?!
Swishfm3 wrote:martin wrote:Oh!
so the answer is to play on it????
seriously....wtf?!?!
Achilles is tricky. But early on you have to warm it up and you don’t feel anything until you stop and wake up the next day hurting. He will have to drop some weight change his insoles. But I hate to hear that. Might be a long term issue.
blkexec wrote:Swishfm3 wrote:martin wrote:Oh!
so the answer is to play on it????
seriously....wtf?!?!
Achilles is tricky. But early on you have to warm it up and you don’t feel anything until you stop and wake up the next day hurting. He will have to drop some weight change his insoles. But I hate to hear that. Might be a long term issue.
No trick about it, man. If its inflamed, it's more vulnerable to rupture. why even risk? As a player, He's not even thinking about that and just wants to be out there and help his team, but the coaching staff should be his sitting his a$$ down.
I would think losing him for a week is much better than possibly losing him for a year
I had been an advocate of a Myles turner trade for quite some time and now he’s having a breakout year and his price is significantly higher. He would be a difference maker here.
Not interested in the opinion of fans wanting the center or PF shooting 3-ball shots.
Back in the daze we all agreed, "All NBA players can't shoot from the perimeter".
Every bigman is not 7 championship rings Horry.
The Knicks have 2 great offense/defense centers in MitchRob & Sims.
The Knicks waived their best Big-Man coach Taj Gibson.
Isaiah Hartenstein talent/skills are better at the PF position (Horford).
Yes, Hart could be used as a PF/C in a small lineup, having a run n gun Toppin in the lineup.
A center feeds on his team ball-movement, the Knicks have no ball-movement!
One or two players touch the ball on every Knicks offensive possession ..
When the Knicks one on one play are defended well, 3 Knicks players may touch the ball before shot.
When I watch the top team in the East Boston Celtics, their ball-movement have 4 to all 5 players touch the ball before shot on practically all their offensive possession. I watch the Celtics players putting up good picks, and good screens for their teammates to go around. I also see players catch and pass the ball so many times without a dribble .. Then it makes me ask myself why the Knicks don't put up good picks or good screens for their teammates? And why every Knicks player has to dribble the ball when they catch it?
Kemet wrote:Not interested in the opinion of fans wanting the center or PF shooting 3-ball shots.
Back in the daze we all agreed, "All NBA players can't shoot from the perimeter".
Every bigman is not 7 championship rings Horry.The Knicks have 2 great offense/defense centers in MitchRob & Sims.
The Knicks waived their best Big-Man coach Taj Gibson.
Isaiah Hartenstein talent/skills are better at the PF position (Horford).
Yes, Hart could be used as a PF/C in a small lineup, having a run n gun Toppin in the lineup.
A center feeds on his team ball-movement, the Knicks have no ball-movement!
One or two players touch the ball on every Knicks offensive possession ..
When the Knicks one on one play are defended well, 3 Knicks players may touch the ball before shot.
When I watch the top team in the East Boston Celtics, their ball-movement have 4 to all 5 players touch the ball before shot on practically all their offensive possession. I watch the Celtics players putting up good picks, and good screens for their teammates to go around. I also see players catch and pass the ball so many times without a dribble .. Then it makes me ask myself why the Knicks don't put up good picks or good screens for their teammates? And why every Knicks player has to dribble the ball when they catch it?
Mitch and sims are not 2 “great” offense/ defense centers. They are good at best and have a long ways to go. Both are as limited offensively as an nba center can be.
Myles Turner is about to join CAA. Start the conspiracy theories. He’s a free agent this summer, having a career year, and is exactly what the Knicks need.
