You cannot win shooting under 40%
Theyre consistently inconsistent with high volume. No way to win with 1/3 of your shots coming from these guys???
We don’t have any great shooters on the roster period. Grimes the unicorn is shooting 22% from 3
Philc1 wrote:We don’t have any great shooters on the roster period. Grimes the unicorn is shooting 22% from 3
Both rj and coach thibs have to do a bettter job with the volume of shots. Rj needs to get better looks move the ball more and think about quality of shot. I’m not sure y we had to pay rj so early. I’m not sure a low% player like rj is going to command even close to what we are paying for him. Let these guys hit the market to determine value. 30 mm per marries us to the player— just cannot do that
Might be better having EF taking shots than RJ
IQ was fine. He made big plays for us and played hard on both ends. RJ was a disgrace and what’s really ticking me off is that his defense has taken a step back when he has no right to do so. Like you’ve given us fuck all all 4 years the least you can do is give a shit defensively.
TPercy wrote:IQ was fine. He made big plays for us and played hard on both ends. RJ was a disgrace and what’s really ticking me off is that his defense has taken a step back when he has no right to do so. Like you’ve given us fuck all all 4 years the least you can do is give a shit defensively.
He is too big. He needs to lose some weight.
BRIGGS wrote:You cannot win shooting under 40%
Theyre consistently inconsistent with high volume. No way to win with 1/3 of your shots coming from these guys???
Think the guys saying Randle is the real problem have a point.
You remove Randle and RJ gets the freedom to take more shots.
22 is just not enough. 
Panos wrote:Might be better having EF taking shots than RJ
How bout Grimes. That way we have someone playing on the defensive side as well.
There is no “I” in team.
Thus blame one for the end result is silly. RJ has a shit run on the road and we win 3 of 5.
I guess after a loss one has to vent at something.
There is an aggregate of things wrong besides RJ.
Any given loss you have a few players sucking and threads to go with it.
Where is OBI? We love cam, but lets be real, kid can’t stay on the floor.
Drose was super, now he breaking down? Again?
Dmitch can’t go to the rim, or is he playing kind of hurt?
Isiah Sore heal.
Sims is good if you lower the bar and just love guys that jump. Fans love jumpers.
Obi can jump. Fans love jumpers.
Maybe Brunson has made some players better, but not RJ?
“RJ sucks”. I hope not. We have a big old contract on him!
Nobody on this roster is untouchable but obviously for now some contracts are.
Nalod wrote:There is no “I” in team.
Thus blame one for the end result is silly. RJ has a shit run on the road and we win 3 of 5.
I guess after a loss one has to vent at something.
There is an aggregate of things wrong besides RJ.
Any given loss you have a few players sucking and threads to go with it.
Where is OBI? We love cam, but lets be real, kid can’t stay on the floor.
Drose was super, now he breaking down? Again?
Dmitch can’t go to the rim, or is he playing kind of hurt?
Isiah Sore heal.
Sims is good if you lower the bar and just love guys that jump. Fans love jumpers.
Obi can jump. Fans love jumpers. Maybe Brunson has made some players better, but not RJ?
“RJ sucks”. I hope not. We have a big old contract on him!
Nobody on this roster is untouchable but obviously for now some contracts are.
This looks like a bunch of guys on a ten day. Hopefully they put it together but they do not play as a team. And I mean EVEYONE.
Guys seen as having "good" games because their one on one game is on, does not change that.
Brunson 32 points but only 4 assists. Not good
Randle 23 points only 6 rebounds. Not good
IQ 6-17 not good.
RJ 19 points but on 22 shots, in 44 min, 1-7 3pt. Awful.
Defensive rotations. Still awful.
BRIGGS wrote:Philc1 wrote:We don’t have any great shooters on the roster period. Grimes the unicorn is shooting 22% from 3
Both rj and coach thibs have to do a bettter job with the volume of shots. Rj needs to get better looks move the ball more and think about quality of shot. I’m not sure y we had to pay rj so early. I’m not sure a low% player like rj is going to command even close to what we are paying for him. Let these guys hit the market to determine value. 30 mm per marries us to the player— just cannot do that
I agree Thibs uses RJ way too much and he’s starting to look tired. We have depth. No need to play RJ 44 minutes like last night
BRIGGS wrote:You cannot win shooting under 40%
Theyre consistently inconsistent with high volume. No way to win with 1/3 of your shots coming from these guys???
You can be a good team, you just need a who lot of some other talent out there filling the giant holes.
I like both players. Can IQ become a better shooter? Yes- I think he can, his FT% is good. He just needs a lot more practice.
RJ is the real question mark and he may need to take three steps back in terms of trying to be a focus of the offense.
Can we try him back at the 2? What about the 4?
Is Thibs burning him out? Or not getting him to develop? Or is it not that good.
The knicks gave out big contracts to Randle, RJ and Brunson. These players are the leaders in minutes played and shots taken. Bronson is the only one playing well.
Randle and Barrett are below average offensively and Defensively.
Quickly not shooting well is a problem but he plays less shoots less and is far better defensively.
For this team to be above 500 Randle and RJ have to either play better or play less and be replaced by more efficient players.
Impossible to be a good team w rj and iq
No it’s impossible to be a good team w fans that have lofty expectations. Fans that create a thread off of a short-term emotional reaction.
It’s impossible to be a good team when:
- fans are expecting the Knicks to be one move away from a championship.
- fans can’t admit that our young core are gleague level players and the rest are nba roll players.
I’ve seen championship teams have bench players similar to our starters. And our bench is their gleague team.
It’s impossible to stay sane if we continue to let wins and losses dictate our day. I remember and still do it now. How my day would be dictated by our wins or losses.
Even when I play ball now at my old age, wins and losses mean nothing. It’s all about the workout snd conditioning. With these Knicks it’s all about the development of players (yoots and vets). Cause we not winning a chip and not sure we make the playoffs.
Can JB lead a championship team? Is he a starting PG on a championship team or a 6 man. I can argue both. Can RJ be consistent? What’s his best skill set and is he working to improve that or still trying to be a 3 pt specialist instead of playing to his strengths (same with Randle). What type of player is Obi? I still don’t know. Is he a dunker a shooter? Can he defend and what position?
Impossible to have a good team when the FO and Thibs are not in sync. Cam is a good example. Thibs didn’t want him. FO traded a pick for him. He sat in thibs dog house all season. now he’s a starter due to injuries and recently got injured himself, so now what is he? EF was a starter and the FO gave him his bag, but is he a thibs type player?
The moral of the story is WINS AND LOSSES are a distraction. We have way more unanswered questions on the direction this club is heading. You can go down the line with each player, the coach, the FO and the owner. So losing a game in overtime means what if all these questions are still unanswered. We still have a jumbled mess. Lipstick on a pig team. Shout out to CP the fanchise!
Panos wrote:Might be better having EF taking shots than RJ
Or EFs replacement. Can we trade him already?
Actually I thought his defense was improving. At least his defensive energy stepped up. But I think EF exposes the defensive weaknesses of the 3 main players around him (JB, RJ, Randle). When you have 3 starters who consume the most mins, take the most shots, and also are weak defensively, EF makes the team defense even worse because that’s now 4 weak defenders instead of 3 in the starting lineup.
So is that an EF problem that the FO gave a defensive coach 3 offensive players that will be your main guys? if we are built around these 3, the 2 guys next to them either have to be an offensive superstar with average defense or a 2 way defender with average offense. Otherwise our team defense will always be horrible and the bench have to bail them out as always.
So EF might not be the problem, but he’s definitely not the answer for this starting unit. The bench on the other hand, he’s fine cause it’s wide open and not dominated by one player.
Some good points and one thats a bit over the top. Thibs might not have wanted Cam THEN. But here is and despite an awful camp/preseason he got the start. Grimes was not ready but its a long season and guys get run. Today if brunson is out Deuce gets more opportunity.
Cam steppped up and earned his time. Issue is the kid can’t stay on the court, not Thibs.
The Cam/Thibs thing is not indicative of a disconnect with the FO. It was one instance. Im sure there are more and every team has such things. I think with JB, Grimes, No Burks the roster changed to include a rotation that brings cam into the fray.
The RJ hate is reactionary. He earned his contract last seaosn. Don’t believe me? Don’t have to. Its signed, sealed and in the bag. His inefficient numbers league wise is not good but he there with other young players. Only follow the knicks, then its a different look. The sky is falling. Its not the only sky, but its ours. No doubt fans get concerned or lose faith after 20 games. Its nature of the fandom thing.
IQ lose weight? He is not a teen, and had to get stronger. He was never super fast. He is a work in progress. We took a shooter and made a more complete player.
Randle has a good road trip and OBI fades. He looks small out there if he is not jumping. Fans got stoked with his stroke. Where did it go?
We flirting with .500 up or down. That means we no where.
