I don't know what more needs to be said.
He hits a few 3point shots and that's been a nice revelation. But the fast breaks are rarer and rarer and he has GOT to get some tough, in the scrum rebounds for team.
Do something that affects the game cause that's what is being asked of him and he is not doing it.
Obi can do that with 5 minutes of play or 15 or whatever, but DO IT
I agree. Like if you aren't going to be a plus defender or hit your shots then its negative value.
Its like the better Randle plays the worse obi does? And visa versa?
I agree. For all of the nice shooting spurts, he’s not really impacting the game in other areas enough. I am rooting for him to force his way on the floor and prove beyond reasonable doubt that he’s our long term PF but he’s not doing that.
Nalod wrote:Its like the better Randle plays the worse obi does? And visa versa?
Honestly this seems true.
Even RJ be like, I'm impacting games with my poor shooting and the tank is strong with me, Obi-one DO something.
I thought he finally did better last night- which was good, although everyone was hitting their shot.
He and a group of guys have all hit a bump in the road as far as their shooting.
To some degree, the same thing could be said of just about everyone except JB.
another guy who seems lost and the CS isn't really helping IMO. his game at the moment in 3Pt or leak out dunks. occassional back door cuts
why he's not in a PnR or PnP game with the second unit ala Amare is befuddling
Chandler wrote:
another guy who seems lost and the CS isn't really helping IMO. his game at the moment in 3Pt or leak out dunks. occassional back door cutswhy he's not in a PnR or PnP game with the second unit ala Amare is befuddling
Because Amar'e had Nash who was a PnR maestro and MDA whose whole offense was built around the PnR
franco12 wrote:I thought he finally did better last night- which was good, although everyone was hitting their shot.He and a group of guys have all hit a bump in the road as far as their shooting.
To some degree, the same thing could be said of just about everyone except JB.
I missed the game, but from what I've read in several post game articles, Obi was in a slump leading up to this game. And against Detroit he finally regained his outside shooting.
As far as only playing well, when Randle doesn't. I think for Obi it's about minutes. He seems to play better with more minutes and plays worst with less minutes. He's not like RJ, who can handle the rock and setup his own plays. Obi relies on the PG or the offensive sets to get his shots. So game play and other players directly affect Obi more than most players who can create offense on it's own. Obi can't so his numbers will go up and down, unless he's the featured player. Just my outside opinion.
martin wrote:I don't know what more needs to be said.He hits a few 3point shots and that's been a nice revelation. But the fast breaks are rarer and rarer and he has GOT to get some tough, in the scrum rebounds for team.
Do something that affects the game cause that's what is being asked of him and he is not doing it.
Obi can do that with 5 minutes of play or 15 or whatever, but DO IT
Looking at last year, his performances were remarkably better with 20+ minutes a game. Overall stats. Can argue that he only gets 20+ minutes when he is doing really well and Randle is doing really bad, but it may also be that he needs to get into a flow of the game.
Let's just trade Randle, start Obi and get the tank rolling again. Also, we've seen enough from JB. Let's rest his quad and sit him on the bench and give IQ those minutes. Maybe bring him back if we can package RJ for a star. #FreeKeels
Obi looks like a career back up. He’s not irreplaceable and never will be. This is probably the wrong place to mention Haliburton is having a great year
Rookie wrote:Obi looks like a career back up. He’s not irreplaceable and never will be. This is probably the wrong place to mention Haliburton is having a great year
Haliburton was the guy. He was a no brainer until Obi fell and everyone said he was too good to pass up. I was high on Bane too , who was drafted like 30th and is the best shooter in the league not named Steph and averaged 25 a game before getting hurt. bane, Haliburton and Maxey are all future all-stars and Knicks could have had 2 of them. Quickley was so good as a rookie and hasn’t made a jump. I’m waiting for this coaching staff to actually really develop one of these guys like other teams.
ramtour420 wrote:Chandler wrote:
another guy who seems lost and the CS isn't really helping IMO. his game at the moment in 3Pt or leak out dunks. occassional back door cutswhy he's not in a PnR or PnP game with the second unit ala Amare is befuddling
Because Amar'e had Nash who was a PnR maestro and MDA whose whole offense was built around the PnR
Dont believe we need a Nash-like talent to get more production out of Obi. Just a strategy to get him going in a half court set, Which I havent seen yet.
GustavBahler wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Chandler wrote:
another guy who seems lost and the CS isn't really helping IMO. his game at the moment in 3Pt or leak out dunks. occassional back door cutswhy he's not in a PnR or PnP game with the second unit ala Amare is befuddling
Because Amar'e had Nash who was a PnR maestro and MDA whose whole offense was built around the PnR
Dont believe we need a Nash-like talent to get more production out of Obi. Just a strategy to get him going in a half court set, Which I havent seen yet.
I don't see how we're not running that with Rose or IQ. Obi should roll to hoop for layups or dunks depending and he has now shown he can step back for a pop too. i honestly don't know if we have a plan for him. His strength is scoring so if he stinks some on D we should at least punish the opponent on the other end and hopefully he gets more points than he gives
He’s over emphasized 3 point shooting and it takes away his physical gifts
BRIGGS wrote:He’s over emphasized 3 point shooting and it takes away his physical gifts
More Generational issue than Obi
You can say the same thing for 90% of TODAYS nba players.
blkexec wrote:BRIGGS wrote:He’s over emphasized 3 point shooting and it takes away his physical gifts
More Generational issue than Obi
You can say the same thing for 90% of TODAYS nba players.
I kinda agree with Briggs on this and I don't think it's a conscious decision by Obi. I think Thibs is leaning on Obi to bomb away and I don't really blame. He was the hottest shooter on the team when no one else was really hitting. I do think the team as a whole could do a better job find Mitch and Obi when they do dive to the hoop tho.
Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Chandler wrote:
another guy who seems lost and the CS isn't really helping IMO. his game at the moment in 3Pt or leak out dunks. occassional back door cutswhy he's not in a PnR or PnP game with the second unit ala Amare is befuddling
Because Amar'e had Nash who was a PnR maestro and MDA whose whole offense was built around the PnR
Dont believe we need a Nash-like talent to get more production out of Obi. Just a strategy to get him going in a half court set, Which I havent seen yet.
I don't see how we're not running that with Rose or IQ. Obi should roll to hoop for layups or dunks depending and he has now shown he can step back for a pop too. i honestly don't know if we have a plan for him. His strength is scoring so if he stinks some on D we should at least punish the opponent on the other end and hopefully he gets more points than he gives
Been saying this since last year. Obi's athletic ability and vertical game is not being utilized. Obi should be rolling to the basket off PNR's and he has shown that he has a good touch in the mid range. Right now he is mainly hanging outside the 3 point line and is only being utilized as a stretch 4. I do think, more minutes and more confidence would also help his overall game and confidence.
Uptown wrote:Chandler wrote:GustavBahler wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Chandler wrote:
another guy who seems lost and the CS isn't really helping IMO. his game at the moment in 3Pt or leak out dunks. occassional back door cutswhy he's not in a PnR or PnP game with the second unit ala Amare is befuddling
Because Amar'e had Nash who was a PnR maestro and MDA whose whole offense was built around the PnR
Dont believe we need a Nash-like talent to get more production out of Obi. Just a strategy to get him going in a half court set, Which I havent seen yet.
I don't see how we're not running that with Rose or IQ. Obi should roll to hoop for layups or dunks depending and he has now shown he can step back for a pop too. i honestly don't know if we have a plan for him. His strength is scoring so if he stinks some on D we should at least punish the opponent on the other end and hopefully he gets more points than he gives
Been saying this since last year. Obi's athletic ability and vertical game is not being utilized. Obi should be rolling to the basket off PNR's and he has shown that he has a good touch in the mid range. Right now he is mainly hanging outside the 3 point line and is only being utilized as a stretch 4. I do think, more minutes and more confidence would also help his overall game and confidence.
To defend Obi. Most of these criticisms do not take into account what offense scheme we have. Defended Randle for the same. MR just mentioned it as well. Our offense scheme is designed to keep middle open. Mostly for JB, RJ and SF. It forces our power forwards and Centers to stay at the arc. Been saying that this is not best role for Randle or Obi. Sure guys can back cut but we have two guys in JB and RJ that just don't pass often off the drive. In term of PnR. Our scheme calls for high PnR. Not ones at foul line like STAT used to do. Nor is anyone flashing to the foul line. Different game now
Do agree that those should be put in place. Don't think anyone including themselves, like to see Obi and Randle just stay at the 3pt arc. One thing Obi Cam do is drive when guys are running at him at the three.
