Knicks · I want to see Derrick Rose finish his career in Chicago (page 1)

Chi to NY
D. Derozan
A. Drummond

Why do I do this? Derozan is a 4th Q killer. He can score from anywhere but excels from the midrange. He compliments what we already have and is a talent upgrade even at 33 years old. He expires after next season and would be an affordable at a reasonable veteran contract so I'm confident we can retain him. We would still be cap friendly for FA's in 2025. He is a veteran with playoff experience. Drummond can still score in the post. We need guys who can defend and score in the 2nd unit. Rose gets his feel good story return to Chicago.

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

IQ/Grimes/Obi/Simms

Derozan stats
6'6" 220lbs 6'9" wingspan
36 minutes per game
50.6 fg% (18.4 attempts per game)
27.1 3pt% (1.4 attempts per game)
88.7 FT% (8 per game)
5.0 RBD
4.9 ASST
1.0 STL
26.1 PTS
2.0 TOV
115.4 Defensive Rating (Grimes defensive rating is 114.5) Mitch 108.4 best on team

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dont know why Martin is against it. But I would be concerned about his availability in the coming years, at his age. Especially if he's logging heavy minutes.

Would you slot him at the 2 or 3? I believe Grimes would be OK with it because of who was replacing him, and his relative inexperience. RJ would probably ask to be traded, after starting for this long.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dejounte is going to be 27 next year and Derozen will be 34 and if your intent is to resign him in summer 2024, you are targeting a 35 year old who would most likely be on the precipice of steep decline.

You absolutely would be out of the 2024 and 2025 free agent markets.

You will also be out of the superstar market cause you just wasted your picks on a 35yo who isn’t a good fit for team.

He is a mid range guy, just like the 3 best players on your team.

ekstarks94 wrote:Might as well ask them to throw in Ball too since we are giving up 3 1s for two players over 30…no?

Believe or not, Andre is 29 years old. Still, don't want him.

ekstarks94 wrote:Might as well ask them to throw in Ball too since we are giving up 3 1s for two players over 30…no?

only one player is over 300lbs Drummond is a throw in but could be useful situationally. Definitely not an every day player. I like Simms because he brings the defensive intensity and he can run with the second unit. He's not a sloth like Hart

GustavBahler wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dont know why Martin is against it. But I would be concerned about his availability in the coming years, at his age. Especially if he's logging heavy minutes.

Would you slot him at the 2 or 3? I believe Grimes would be OK with it because of who was replacing him, and his relative inexperience. RJ would probably ask to be traded, after starting for this long.

I think Derozan gives you another player Thibs can trust, but I was thinking Grimes to the 2nd unit even though RJ and Derozan both average around 18 shots.

I have discussed using our assets and we could be better. Then we got better and did not spend an asset.
True we an use capital to improve. but what is the plan? Gustav, you speak to Grimes now? You know he is good?
Maybe, maybe not. but can't make this shit up to justify reasons. Fact is I want Grimes out there getting better with time.
Im not sure RJ is that far behind derozen at this stage. Demarr is good, and seasoned. Knicks spent 3.5 years getting RJ ready and he is only 22.
Derozen is a very good player. But im not blowing 2 first rounders on him. Bulls not selling yet. Ball might be returning soon and Lavine is improving.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dejounte is going to be 27 next year and Derozen will be 34 and if your intent is to resign him in summer 2024, you are targeting a 35 year old who would most likely be on the precipice of steep decline.

You absolutely would be out of the 2024 and 2025 free agent markets.

You will also be out of the superstar market cause you just wasted your picks on a 35yo who isn’t a good fit for team.

He is a mid range guy, just like the 3 best players on your team.

If you were talking about Russell Westbrook who relies on athleticism I would agree with you. Derozan is crafty as fuck and has that old man mid range game. I can't think of any major Derozan injuries, he could very well have a long and productive NBA career. And if not, don't resign him or give him a vet minimum. We don't have to give him an extension in the summer of 2023.

I have to agree that Derozan isn't going to spread the floor, but not a good fit? I can't get to not a good fit

Nalod wrote:I want to see Drose finish in chicago.
Derozen would add to the here and now. But he is not putting us over the top.

I have discussed using our assets and we could be better. Then we got better and did not spend an asset.
True we an use capital to improve. but what is the plan? Gustav, you speak to Grimes now? You know he is good?
Maybe, maybe not. but can't make this shit up to justify reasons. Fact is I want Grimes out there getting better with time.
Im not sure RJ is that far behind derozen at this stage. Demarr is good, and seasoned. Knicks spent 3.5 years getting RJ ready and he is only 22.
Derozen is a very good player. But im not blowing 2 first rounders on him. Bulls not selling yet. Ball might be returning soon and Lavine is improving.

Nalod again with the thought police. Give it a rest.

Not too complicated officer Nalod. Grimes is a second year player, with a handful of starts. You think if he's benched in favor of an all-star, he's going to do anything but play his role? You think he's going ask to be traded? Of course not. RJ is another story

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dejounte is going to be 27 next year and Derozen will be 34 and if your intent is to resign him in summer 2024, you are targeting a 35 year old who would most likely be on the precipice of steep decline.

You absolutely would be out of the 2024 and 2025 free agent markets.

You will also be out of the superstar market cause you just wasted your picks on a 35yo who isn’t a good fit for team.

He is a mid range guy, just like the 3 best players on your team.

If you were talking about Russell Westbrook who relies on athleticism I would agree with you. Derozan is crafty as fuck and has that old man mid range game. I can't think of any major Derozan injuries, he could very well have a long and productive NBA career. And if not, don't resign him or give him a vet minimum. We don't have to give him an extension in the summer of 2023.

I have to agree that Derozan isn't going to spread the floor, but not a good fit? I can't get to not a good fit

GustavBahler wrote:

Nalod wrote:I want to see Drose finish in chicago.
Derozen would add to the here and now. But he is not putting us over the top.

I have discussed using our assets and we could be better. Then we got better and did not spend an asset.
True we an use capital to improve. but what is the plan? Gustav, you speak to Grimes now? You know he is good?
Maybe, maybe not. but can't make this shit up to justify reasons. Fact is I want Grimes out there getting better with time.
Im not sure RJ is that far behind derozen at this stage. Demarr is good, and seasoned. Knicks spent 3.5 years getting RJ ready and he is only 22.
Derozen is a very good player. But im not blowing 2 first rounders on him. Bulls not selling yet. Ball might be returning soon and Lavine is improving.

Nalod again with the thought police. Give it a rest.

Not too complicated officer Nalod. Grimes is a second year player, with a handful of starts. You think if he's benched in favor of an all-star, he's going to do anything but play his role? You think he's going ask to be traded? Of course not. RJ is another story

First off It does not matter what grimes wants. he is not under a long term deal. Its not like "He Quentin, if your ok with we gonna give Derozen your spot, you ok with that?"
Q: No
Thibs: we doing it anyway.

Now you have to ask IQ. We get all this way to develop players and now what?
who said Bulls are selling anyway?

fishmike wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dejounte is going to be 27 next year and Derozen will be 34 and if your intent is to resign him in summer 2024, you are targeting a 35 year old who would most likely be on the precipice of steep decline.

You absolutely would be out of the 2024 and 2025 free agent markets.

You will also be out of the superstar market cause you just wasted your picks on a 35yo who isn’t a good fit for team.

He is a mid range guy, just like the 3 best players on your team.

If you were talking about Russell Westbrook who relies on athleticism I would agree with you. Derozan is crafty as fuck and has that old man mid range game. I can't think of any major Derozan injuries, he could very well have a long and productive NBA career. And if not, don't resign him or give him a vet minimum. We don't have to give him an extension in the summer of 2023.

I have to agree that Derozan isn't going to spread the floor, but not a good fit? I can't get to not a good fit

trading FRPs for this guy is the ultimate Scott Layden move. My god no. Fournier/Rose/Cam for Derozan. If they dont want Cam they can have 2 2nd round picks

That won't get it done. But, if you can get Derozan for less then yeah, do it. We are moving past the point of building through the draft with late 1st rd picks. We don't even have enough minutes to go around for the roster we have now. Rotation minutes are going to be hard to come by. Even less available when our Euro stash PG comes over.

I don't think you are saying don't trade picks, but you are saying don't trade picks for a 33 y.o. Allstar. Well, I think Derozan makes us better and helps us get into the next tier with Cleveland and Philly and puts some distance between us, Atlanta, Indy and Miami. Maybe a smaller move materializes closer to the deadline. Maybe it's a bigger one. We still have assets to make that next move. Trent Jr? Crowder? I don't think Derozan is cooked yet. It is however a risk, not Layden stupid dumb risk but still a risk with only 1 more year of commitment. If we still have our 1st's at the draft I suspect we trade them for future 1st's.

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dejounte is going to be 27 next year and Derozen will be 34 and if your intent is to resign him in summer 2024, you are targeting a 35 year old who would most likely be on the precipice of steep decline.

You absolutely would be out of the 2024 and 2025 free agent markets.

You will also be out of the superstar market cause you just wasted your picks on a 35yo who isn’t a good fit for team.

He is a mid range guy, just like the 3 best players on your team.

If you were talking about Russell Westbrook who relies on athleticism I would agree with you. Derozan is crafty as fuck and has that old man mid range game. I can't think of any major Derozan injuries, he could very well have a long and productive NBA career. And if not, don't resign him or give him a vet minimum. We don't have to give him an extension in the summer of 2023.

I have to agree that Derozan isn't going to spread the floor, but not a good fit? I can't get to not a good fit

3 first round picks and you are just about to explore the downside risk of the trade.

No sane NBA team trades 3 picks for a vet that old and who really doesn’t fit.

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:

martin wrote:

martin wrote:Fuck no

Unless the goal is to one-up Minny in terms of trades not to make

What are we giving up besides late 1st Rd picks? Derozan is still all nba putting up Allstar numbers and isn’t on a max contract. He scores, rebounds assists and can handle the ball. It also gives us another closer. Drummond is filler but can still give 8-10 minutes if needed. No picks and Chi doesn’t do that deal.

This deal is in line with the Dejounte Murray deal. Only 2 are our own.

Dejounte is going to be 27 next year and Derozen will be 34 and if your intent is to resign him in summer 2024, you are targeting a 35 year old who would most likely be on the precipice of steep decline.

You absolutely would be out of the 2024 and 2025 free agent markets.

You will also be out of the superstar market cause you just wasted your picks on a 35yo who isn’t a good fit for team.

He is a mid range guy, just like the 3 best players on your team.

If you were talking about Russell Westbrook who relies on athleticism I would agree with you. Derozan is crafty as fuck and has that old man mid range game. I can't think of any major Derozan injuries, he could very well have a long and productive NBA career. And if not, don't resign him or give him a vet minimum. We don't have to give him an extension in the summer of 2023.

I have to agree that Derozan isn't going to spread the floor, but not a good fit? I can't get to not a good fit

3 first round picks and you are just about to explore the downside risk of the trade.

No sane NBA team trades 3 picks for a vet that old and who really doesn’t fit.

A vet still playing at an Allstar level. So you get All-Star level Derozan this year and into the playoffs. How big is the falloff next year? It would have to be pretty dramatic for us to not still be a better team. As to fit, how can another legitimate scoring threat be a problem. It’s one more guy other teams have to stop. You can’t stop everyone.

This years 1st and Dalas’s are projecting in the 20’s. Maybe you knock those out of the park but are there minutes for those guys? Maybe there’s a bigger deal out there this year. Me, i’m improving the team this year if I can. Chicago is going to move him. Maybe he can be had for less but if he is gettable, we should be in there getting it done.

Derrick Rose
the worst second round pick they

for

Tony Bradley
Javonte Green
a second round pick