VDesai wrote:Best shooter that would be available at the deadline is Bojan Bogdanovic from the Pistons. They would likely need to give up a first rounder to get him, and he's old, so I don't know if makes sense. But that guy can really shoot the basketball and also score in a lot of other ways. Honestly he has been quite hard to stop this year. And unlike most guys on the Knicks these days he can also can knock down free throws. I actually think he'd go a long way in improving the team, but not sure its a great move long term.
when I look at efg%, he seems to be the best available player.
I'm also starting to revert back to my anti-thibs bias.
I do think adding Bogdanovic would immensely help- though so would a coaching intervention - no reason we should rank so poorly as far as assists. I get we have poor shooters, but I am also starting to think it's a coaching issue as much as a skill issue.
martin wrote:franco12 wrote:VDesai wrote:Best shooter that would be available at the deadline is Bojan Bogdanovic from the Pistons. They would likely need to give up a first rounder to get him, and he's old, so I don't know if makes sense. But that guy can really shoot the basketball and also score in a lot of other ways. Honestly he has been quite hard to stop this year. And unlike most guys on the Knicks these days he can also can knock down free throws. I actually think he'd go a long way in improving the team, but not sure its a great move long term.
when I look at efg%, he seems to be the best available player.
I'm also starting to revert back to my anti-thibs bias.
I do think adding Bogdanovic would immensely help- though so would a coaching intervention - no reason we should rank so poorly as far as assists. I get we have poor shooters, but I am also starting to think it's a coaching issue as much as a skill issue.
Why?
why am I thinking that? Because I saw MDA turn average PGs into Magic Johnson.
I think a different coach with the same roster and everything else probably has better #s on the offensive end. Maybe we'd have fewer wins at this stage, but I think Thibs grind it out with 6 players is going to catch up with us- and we'd be at the same place record wise. Is that rational or fair? Probably not.
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:VDesai wrote:Best shooter that would be available at the deadline is Bojan Bogdanovic from the Pistons. They would likely need to give up a first rounder to get him, and he's old, so I don't know if makes sense. But that guy can really shoot the basketball and also score in a lot of other ways. Honestly he has been quite hard to stop this year. And unlike most guys on the Knicks these days he can also can knock down free throws. I actually think he'd go a long way in improving the team, but not sure its a great move long term.
when I look at efg%, he seems to be the best available player.
I'm also starting to revert back to my anti-thibs bias.
I do think adding Bogdanovic would immensely help- though so would a coaching intervention - no reason we should rank so poorly as far as assists. I get we have poor shooters, but I am also starting to think it's a coaching issue as much as a skill issue.
Why?
why am I thinking that? Because I saw MDA turn average PGs into Magic Johnson.
I think a different coach with the same roster and everything else probably has better #s on the offensive end. Maybe we'd have fewer wins at this stage, but I think Thibs grind it out with 6 players is going to catch up with us- and we'd be at the same place record wise. Is that rational or fair? Probably not.
Good take. We react to what we see. Home losses to below .500 teams is not good. The road wins are incredible though.
The Wiz game was awful for Randle. He rebounded, and his passing/playmaking was good in spots. The turnovers were a bad look. He had that "Bad Randle ATL playoff" look.
Panos wrote:...that can drill an open shot, or we're not passing the ball enough to get shooters open enough.
But vs. Washington tonight there are multiple shooter that were drilling outside shots while we were shooting blanks (common theme lately).
I'm still hoping Grimes will be able to eventually be a cold blooded outside shooter, but he's not there yet. Yes he hit 3 of 7 from 3pt tonight, but it didn't feel like it.
Washington shot 38% from 3pt, Knicks 28% - putrid 
We don’t have a shooter. Trade for Trae next summer
joec32033 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Trade for Trae young next offseason
Bleck. I wouldn't trade for Trae Young if he fixed his hairline.
Then I guess you enjoy watching every team do nothing but relax in a 2-3 Zone on defense against us every game because we have no legit outside shooters on the roster
franco12 wrote:martin wrote:franco12 wrote:VDesai wrote:Best shooter that would be available at the deadline is Bojan Bogdanovic from the Pistons. They would likely need to give up a first rounder to get him, and he's old, so I don't know if makes sense. But that guy can really shoot the basketball and also score in a lot of other ways. Honestly he has been quite hard to stop this year. And unlike most guys on the Knicks these days he can also can knock down free throws. I actually think he'd go a long way in improving the team, but not sure its a great move long term.
when I look at efg%, he seems to be the best available player.
I'm also starting to revert back to my anti-thibs bias.
I do think adding Bogdanovic would immensely help- though so would a coaching intervention - no reason we should rank so poorly as far as assists. I get we have poor shooters, but I am also starting to think it's a coaching issue as much as a skill issue.
Why?
why am I thinking that? Because I saw MDA turn average PGs into Magic Johnson.
I think a different coach with the same roster and everything else probably has better #s on the offensive end. Maybe we'd have fewer wins at this stage, but I think Thibs grind it out with 6 players is going to catch up with us- and we'd be at the same place record wise. Is that rational or fair? Probably not.
For me, this doesn't really get to the heart of things and you can do this type of argument all day long without any meaningful step forward.
MDA could probably upgrade most all teams offense outside of perhaps GS. So what? It's at the cost of a lot of other things, and then you are faced with the task of not having any defense, etc. and are back to your starting point.
Knicks are chugging along with not bad offensive efficiency. It means what they are doing is working for the roster and player skill-level they have.
Marbury's point was a nonsensical one but it also has some marginal value: You don't get assists without someone passing and someone making shots. Knicks don't have a team that makes a ton of really open or easy shots.
And quite frankly, they don't have skilled offensive players. Of their top 6, RJ, Mitch are poor offensive players. And then you add in IQ, Obi, Hart... those guys are poor shooters right now. System or players or coach or combo?
For me, things will always start with the talent level of the team itself. I am of the belief that it's below average, like bottom third of NBA. From there, you can judge everything else, but that's the starting point.
IMO those statistics are misleading
the Knicks do move the ball -- sometimes spectacularly well.
but to the original post, yes, we do need more shooting
