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The NBA has mad amount of parity and the top 8 or 10 guys are pretty much untouchable so acquiring a star is wildly challenging and slim pickings.
But patience is a virtue.
What vision can he bring that Leon is not doing currently? Bob Myers has done a great job with the Warriors but why is it they won't pay him elite GM money?
Why are the GSW dragging their feet? Do they want change?
He was a good agent and stepped in nice to lead them thru chips and formulate the yoot movement.
But, this notion of hiring guys that did well and fans thinking they will replicate is a form of starphuch.
If Leon is not doing his job, or wants out, thats another story.
Nalod wrote:I'd say the return on Kuminga and Wiseman are not looking to good at this time.
But patience is a virtue.
What vision can he bring that Leon is not doing currently? Bob Myers has done a great job with the Warriors but why is it they won't pay him elite GM money?
Why are the GSW dragging their feet? Do they want change?
He was a good agent and stepped in nice to lead them thru chips and formulate the yoot movement.
But, this notion of hiring guys that did well and fans thinking they will replicate is a form of starphuch.
If Leon is not doing his job, or wants out, thats another story.
I couldn't really understand if Meyers is GM (like Scott Perry) or more like Leon level.
Adding Meyers type to Leon's crew wouldn't be a bad thing, don't think it has to be a replacement thing
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:I'd say the return on Kuminga and Wiseman are not looking to good at this time.
But patience is a virtue.
What vision can he bring that Leon is not doing currently? Bob Myers has done a great job with the Warriors but why is it they won't pay him elite GM money?
Why are the GSW dragging their feet? Do they want change?
He was a good agent and stepped in nice to lead them thru chips and formulate the yoot movement.
But, this notion of hiring guys that did well and fans thinking they will replicate is a form of starphuch.
If Leon is not doing his job, or wants out, thats another story.I couldn't really understand if Meyers is GM (like Scott Perry) or more like Leon level.
Adding Meyers type to Leon's crew wouldn't be a bad thing, don't think it has to be a replacement thing
Under Leon you got WWW, Aller, Perry, Perin, and Zanin. If your under Perry, you demoted. The gonna pay him more than what he got in GSW?
Article suggests "they gonna lose Myers", so its about money?
Myers is both President and GM. He runs it.
To be fair, they won chips under him.
But.......the core was drafted before he was top dog.
His assistant? Kirk Lacob. The bosses son. Another, Kent is also an exec. Does this factor? IDK?
He makes 8mm. He wants a piece like Connelly got in Minny? He is 47. Not logical he becomes part of Leons group unless he has health issues and wants to take a break.
I suppose its always "NY Is monitoring the Situation" is easy to write.
From the ATLANTIC::
Bob Myers remains without a contract with the Golden State Warriors beyond the current season and there is an increasing reality that he could leave the franchise.Sources tell The Athletic that Myers believes he should be among the highest paid front office executives in the NBA, if not the highest. According to sources, Myers ranks outside the top-five in executive salaries.
Philadelphia’s Daryl Morey, Toronto’s Masai Ujiri, Miami’s Pat Riley, Minnesota’s Tim Connelly, San Antonio’s R.C. Buford and New York’s Leon Rose are considered by industry experts to be among the highest paid, and likely above Myers, when it comes to annual salary.
Myers has kept all of his past negotiations largely behind the scenes, but his expiring status and perceived obtainability has changed the situation.
The 76ers tried to recruit Myers away from the Warriors in 2018 after Bryan Colangelo was fired.
If Myers were to leave the Warriors this year, the Washington Wizards, Phoenix Suns and New York Knicks are franchises worth monitoring as possibilities, sources say. The Los Angeles Clippers could also be a possibility, according to the recent speculation in front office circles. A source with knowledge of the Clippers' plans pushed back on the possibility of Myers.
While money is a key issue for Myers, it is not the only factor in his calculus.
ANTHONY SLATER, MARCUS THOMPSON II, SAM AMICK/THE ATHLETIC
TAGS: GOLDEN STATE WARRIORS, NBA, NBA MISC RUMOR
He should be paid based on his performance. But what is he asking for and what might be offered by others?
He wants a piece?
Knixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.
He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
Extracted Wiggins plus picks for D'Angelo Russell?
martin wrote:well I guess that IS a pretty big dealKnixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:I'd say the return on Kuminga and Wiseman are not looking to good at this time.
But patience is a virtue.
What vision can he bring that Leon is not doing currently? Bob Myers has done a great job with the Warriors but why is it they won't pay him elite GM money?
Why are the GSW dragging their feet? Do they want change?
He was a good agent and stepped in nice to lead them thru chips and formulate the yoot movement.
But, this notion of hiring guys that did well and fans thinking they will replicate is a form of starphuch.
If Leon is not doing his job, or wants out, thats another story.I couldn't really understand if Meyers is GM (like Scott Perry) or more like Leon level.
Adding Meyers type to Leon's crew wouldn't be a bad thing, don't think it has to be a replacement thing
this would intrigue me. All for adding talent to the FO (doesn't count against cap!! and can improve a team)
my own suspicion is GSW are on the edge of being a shit show with all of the money they have tied up with some on the decline and some overpaid form day 1 (e.g., Wiggins)
Is he talented or the beneficiary of having Klay and Steph when the NBA started to change the game in terms of freeing up offense?? I don't know, but i go into the situation thinking he can't be a dummy
Lakers got Kobe by trading Vlad Divac's for the 13th pick which CLT took Kobe with.
Cavs got Lebron.
Bulls got Jordan and stayed patient to build it.
Buford got Timmy on a down year.
Gifts of Klay, steph and Draymond to all exceed their draft positions.
The "Genius" of those GM's are they sustained and built off that gift.
But lets not kid ourselves that any of them in other circumstances are the that good.
Ujiru put his chips in the middle with Kawhai and if not the fortuitous bounce and getting buy Philly, THEN Klay THEN Durant breaking he is not elite.
In fact he could be "the idiot". INstead he gets a massive contract and team is doing "Sort of ok" in the aftermath.
We have not completed year three with Leon and Thibs. We were awful to start and are doing well with picks, yoot, free agency.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
Very fair. But does he do any of that without Steph curry and klay Thompson? Seems like right place right time as much as anything. I don’t think anyone could have screwed that up.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
Very fair. But does he do any of that without Steph curry and klay Thompson? Seems like right place right time as much as anything. I don’t think anyone could have screwed that up.
Phil Jackson!
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
Very fair. But does he do any of that without Steph curry and klay Thompson? Seems like right place right time as much as anything. I don’t think anyone could have screwed that up.
Well, it does happen though, the screw ups. Cleveland had younger LeBron, Kyrie and Love and went to 4 finals, won 1. 2 years later LeBron and Kyrie gone and then 3 straight lottery appearances.
Things can go hey wire a lot.
It might be Perry who wants out, not having enough input. Perry negotiated Melo amd KP's exit without setting us back years. Mitch, RJ, Randle, was from the previous regime.IQ was from a pick from the previous regime. We wouldnt have aquired Brunson without Perry apparently being on point in the Detroit deal. Including Burks, who was from the previous regime.
If Perry hadnt shown he knows what he's doing, Id understand the interest. Perry might have been forced on Rose, which seems silly, Perry is a capable exec.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
Very fair. But does he do any of that without Steph curry and klay Thompson? Seems like right place right time as much as anything. I don’t think anyone could have screwed that up.
Nobody wins anything without great players.
But, having great players is no assurance of winning chips.
Are there scenarios of teams having all stars but not winning chips?
Allstars when winning chips are elevated.
Wilt Chamberlin did not win a chip until he was 31. Played to age 36 and made allstar every year but one.
He did not enter NBA until 23 years old. Had to wait 4 years after high school then.
Jordan don't win or even got to finals until 27. Players that win get that cred and make their coaches legends.
Great players don't always win.
Iverson
stocton
malone
Ewing
Elgin Baylor went to 7 finals!!!!!
David Thompson
Grant HIll
Mullin
Mutumbo
Bellemy
Yao Ming
Dantly
Dominique wilkens
Westbrook
Nash
Lanier
Gervin
Reggie Miller
Harden
Barkley
CP3
Mgrady
These guys had incredible win shares, gaudy numbers, were MVPs and HOF.
They are not elite because they don't have rings. Not everyone wins rings. Just a thing.
Did their coaches "Screw it up"?
Phil Jax gets the "Well he had Kobe and Jordan". Neither Kobe or Jordan won a chip without Jax.
Poor Jerry Krause. He does not get the cred he deserves. He had Jordan. He had the perfect wingman for him in Pippen. Krause build two Three peats around those two.
He hired Phil.
Back to Myers............He gets cred for basically building two runs with his core over the years. He deserves respect.
But, he had no cred before did he? or Krause? or Kupchak. Doing it twice is not easy.
Has there been a GM that changed teams and built two championship teams?
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To be clear, Rose is not the GM of the Knicks, Scott Perry is. Rose is President. Comparing Myers to Rose isn't exactly apples to apples. They should be comparing Myers transactions including drafts to Perry. Myer's draft picks are buried behind amazing HOF caliber players. The guy landed Durant and was able to get Russell when he left. He turned Russell into Wiggins and picks. I mean. With all the cap space in the world, we signed our own FAs and Fournier. And we manufactured space by trading the players we re-signed for space to sign Brunson.
I don't think Myers' track record should show anything other than a phenomenal GM. Not all moves work out. Not all draft picks develop. But I would love to have drafted Moody, Wiseman and Kuminga. I wouldn't have chosen different.
martin wrote:GS definitely fucked up by drafting Wiseman and maybe you can quibble about Kuminga over Franz Wagner?Extracted Wiggins plus picks for D'Angelo Russell?
I'm repeating you in my posts. Sorry. Didn't finish reading. At the time, would anyone honestly have drafted anyone other than Wiseman? Other than LaMelo, is there anyone there that is that much better than Wiseman in the Top 29? So we are arguing that they should have made LaMelo backup to Curry instead of potentially filling a vast whole at Center and pointing out that it didn't work out. I would have offered them Robinson the 8 and the 23 pick for the 2. But no one can fault their decision.
EwingsGlass wrote:martin wrote:GS definitely fucked up by drafting Wiseman and maybe you can quibble about Kuminga over Franz Wagner?Extracted Wiggins plus picks for D'Angelo Russell?
I'm repeating you in my posts. Sorry. Didn't finish reading. At the time, would anyone honestly have drafted anyone other than Wiseman? Other than LaMelo, is there anyone there that is that much better than Wiseman in the Top 29? So we are arguing that they should have made LaMelo backup to Curry instead of potentially filling a vast whole at Center and pointing out that it didn't work out. I would have offered them Robinson the 8 and the 23 pick for the 2. But no one can fault their decision.
There were plenty of question marks regarding Wiseman and there were a few guys who had LaMelo two. Melo would've gotten playing time with the Klay injury. I agree the Wiseman pick was understandable, but you can definitely question it. There are plenty of players picked after Wiseman who are performing better. Heck, just based off the center position, I'd say Oneyka is better. None of them had Wiseman perceived upside and that's the gamble you make. I can still fault that pick while understanding the decision around it.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:What’s the big deal with him being available ? He didn’t draft Steph right ? And he’s drafted horribly in the last few years. Team bottomed out when Steph was hurt. No noteworthy moves. I guess Jordan Poole was nice but most GMs can hit on one pick like that. I don’t see what makes him this big catch. Anywhere else he goes he won’t have a Steph to build around.He took the helm in April 2012, when GS came off of 23-43 record for season. Drafted Harrison Barnes (7) and Draymond Green (30s?) in that first and then oversaw 5 straight finals appearances from 2014-18 and the Durant maneuver followed by another finals last year. Curry had 2 years experience and Klay had 1 before 2012-13 season.
6 finals and 4 rings, about 11 years total
Very fair. But does he do any of that without Steph curry and klay Thompson? Seems like right place right time as much as anything. I don’t think anyone could have screwed that up.
Well, it does happen though, the screw ups. Cleveland had younger LeBron, Kyrie and Love and went to 4 finals, won 1. 2 years later LeBron and Kyrie gone and then 3 straight lottery appearances.
Things can go hey wire a lot.
Very true. And I guess I’m mainly just stuck on the recent drafts. A lot of mistakes. No obvious starters came out of those 3 lottery picks so far. A good GM has to at least nail one or two of those.