Knicks · Regarding My Posts (page 1)

Let's start with this, I bleed orange and blue or blue and orange, depending on how you see it. I point out flaws in this team and league because I expect better. I understand young guys make mistakes. Young players grow, but need to be led by veteran leadership and accountable coaching.

Do I think this team is a contender as is? No. But, if they play to their potential and/or add more team depth, they are a tough-out 2nd round playoff type of team. These baby steps foster future winning and attract other winners with heart. This franchise, sometimes with good reason, garners no respect, not even at home. As it is said, you need to be that change you want to see.

I was a baby during the 70 & 73 chips, so I can say the Knicks have won a championship within my lifetime. However, my Harlem heart truly started bleeding Knicks in the 1982-32 season. There was only one King for me and I love seeing him at the Garden so often to this day. If he had stayed healthy, the joy it would have been to watch him play with Ewing. Bernard's back-to-back 50s is still one of my fondest Knicks' memories. He made it look so easy. Oh, what could have been?

Other great moments, those 80s-90s tough Knicks, should have won at least 1 chip. Charles Smith was fouled. Watching Oakley & Mason, then meeting them in Atlantic City. Despite Starks getting us to game 7, Riley should have pulled him late in the game. Ewing should have never worn another uniform, looked odd. Sprewell's & Stark's heart, LJ 4-pointer, Houston's dagger to the Heat. Riley strategically being an a-hole vs the Knicks, Van Gundy holding onto that massive leg. The brief period that was Linsanity. A unicorn sighting. Melo for 62. The honor & privilege of seeing and listening to Clyde tell it like it is.

So much heartache for this franchise. I would love just one championship before heading to that court in the sky. In a league that caters to offense, you can't be old-school defense only, like Thibs. I liked his hiring because the Knicks needed tough love at that time and to play better defensively. He stated he traveled the league after getting the boot from Minn, and that he learned to tweak his game philosophies.

Lately, all I see is the old stubborn Thibs, which used to work years ago. He occasionally makes an adjustment or an RJ sick day makes it for him. Imagine if he had a D'Antoni-type assistant, but most are his guys who preach defense. The defense should come first, it was my bread and butter back in the day. But, his deficiencies combined with how this league is played and disrespect from the NBA/refs toward the Knicks even at home, make most days an uphill battle. Sure you can put it on the players at times, but coaching players, then making adjustments can stop this behind the 8-ball 1st quarter starts. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

If they make a few rotation-usable trades, the team will do better, but it will also mask and prolong coaching issues. I want our boys to play at their best and if that is a 2nd round team, I'll be happy. Then they can build upon that towards glory. I've seen my Yankees win multiple times, the Giants too, and even got 1 from the Rangers, just need that Knick trophy to complete the circle. Heck, with their signings, maybe this will finally be the year the Liberty does something, even if it isn't at the Garden, haha.

See, I'm not negative, just real.

So, yes, GO NY GO NY GO. New York is Knicks country, always has been.

Perhaps we all need a "Regarding My Posts" thread. Or we can sticky this one. We all have an opinion and a personality. Those tend to conflict here, sometimes and between some posters more than others. Personally I'm on the Rainbows and Unicorns bandwagon but also enjoy being a Hater Hater. I try not to take it too seriously -- it's barstool talk on a message board. But sometimes fights break out due to conditions. Funny thing to me is what if we met in real life? Probably would overall be much more cordial. But let us indeed agree on Go NY Go NY Go!

I don't hate much in life, that requires too much energy. I dislike insanity, making the same mistake over and over, and never adjusting to or learning from them. If you invested 40k into a stock and lost it all 5 times, would you invest another 40k into that same stock given the same circumstances? I'm not the same throw my remote at the TV fan I was when I was younger, but my heart rocks with the flow of the Knicks, which can be exhausting.

I expected to lose vs Philly, especially on the tail-end of back-to-backs, so I didn't push heart attack levels. It is when a crap team comes to the Garden on a big losing streak and we play down to them and lose a game this team needs. The East is tough, can't keep giving games away and expect long-term success. But for respect, to be treated like an NBA team that matters, they need to limit their own mistakes. Everyone comes to the Garden looking for a career day, so it doesn't surprise me they are about .500 at home, when you think about it it's not too bad knowing that. Just make us proud and I can live with the results.

If you are a true Knicks fan, I'll get along with you or anyone else. Just not a kool-aid drinker. Like Clyde, I see and call it like it is. Clyde loves his Knicks, but he does his job mostly unbiasedly and I respect that. I do find it funny that players don't want to play for Dolan but will play for franchises that had to have their owner removed for heinous conduct and they are fine with that. Many stars are hypocrites.

I missed the days when guys wanted to be the one and bring the chip to the team that drafted them, do-or-die players. Not sure if it was the start of the super team chase, but when GP & Malone went to the Lakers, it became normalized. They get paid ridiculously, then don't honor their commitments and/or poor choices because they don't get the ring. Guess what, most career-type All-Stars never get rings, at least not with their drafted franchise. Between LA, Boston, & Chicago, then recently add GS, what teams have won championships consistently in NBA history?

I haven't felt like this could be the year for my Knicks in a long time, want that to change. When KD went to the Warriors after they had won 73 games the year prior, I had no desire to watch that season, and results were pre-determined before regular season game 1. What fun is that unless you are a GS fan? If I had been one, I would have felt it didn't really count, like the bubble chip for the Lakers.

KnickDanger wrote:Perhaps we all need a "Regarding My Posts" thread. Or we can sticky this one. We all have an opinion and a personality. Those tend to conflict here, sometimes and between some posters more than others. Personally I'm on the Rainbows and Unicorns bandwagon but also enjoy being a Hater Hater. I try not to take it too seriously -- it's barstool talk on a message board. But sometimes fights break out due to conditions. Funny thing to me is what if we met in real life? Probably would overall be much more cordial. But let us indeed agree on Go NY Go NY Go!

Warriors won 72 games and lost in the finals.
Clyde is not always right. HE calls the game, not the career.
Knicks are not doing the same thing as they did in previous administrations of starphuching.
RJ is one month older than Deuce. Just because RJ has now in his 4th season does not mean he is done growing his game.
Some fans might be.
Fans are wrong a lot. We are impressionable about the moment. If a player is doing well we assume it could have been done earlier.
If a player is stepping back we see it "time to move him out and give another his slot".
iHart this season.
Randle last season.
Deuce.
IQ.
and the big polarizing current player is RJ. Many are giving up on him.
Curious if he in trade rumors internally and its phuched with him.
This FO seems patient. Fans are always less than.

Maybe fans are tired of being fed KFC and want Popeye's or Zaxby's or add your place of choice, haha.

But seriously, articles/statements like these concern fans about learning and improving:

Knicks’ Tom Thibodeau not buying into criticism of RJ Barrett’s defense (NY Post)

Hopefully, RJ was sick more than last night and that is the reason for this past week, but it might be his mindset, which won't improve if Thibs doesn't even see the problem in the first place. Not even after the Sixer game. I'd say Thibs is more of a potential problem than RJ.

And honestly, did you think any team had a shot to beat the Warriors after adding KD that season? If you did, you were kidding yourself.

Nalod wrote:Warriors won 72 games and lost in the finals.
Clyde is not always right. HE calls the game, not the career.
Knicks are not doing the same thing as they did in previous administrations of starphuching.
RJ is one month older than Deuce. Just because RJ has now in his 4th season does not mean he is done growing his game.
Some fans might be.
Fans are wrong a lot. We are impressionable about the moment. If a player is doing well we assume it could have been done earlier.
If a player is stepping back we see it "time to move him out and give another his slot".
iHart this season.
Randle last season.
Deuce.
IQ.
and the big polarizing current player is RJ. Many are giving up on him.
Curious if he in trade rumors internally and its phuched with him.
This FO seems patient. Fans are always less than.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Maybe fans are tired of being fed KFC and want Popeye's or Zaxby's or add your place of choice, haha.

But seriously, articles/statements like these concern fans about learning and improving:

Knicks’ Tom Thibodeau not buying into criticism of RJ Barrett’s defense (NY Post)

Hopefully, RJ was sick more than last night and that is the reason for this past week, but it might be his mindset, which won't improve if Thibs doesn't even see the problem in the first place. Not even after the Sixer game. I'd say Thibs is more of a potential problem than RJ.

And honestly, did you think any team had a shot to beat the Warriors after adding KD that season? If you did, you were kidding yourself.

Nalod wrote:Warriors won 72 games and lost in the finals.
Clyde is not always right. HE calls the game, not the career.
Knicks are not doing the same thing as they did in previous administrations of starphuching.
RJ is one month older than Deuce. Just because RJ has now in his 4th season does not mean he is done growing his game.
Some fans might be.
Fans are wrong a lot. We are impressionable about the moment. If a player is doing well we assume it could have been done earlier.
If a player is stepping back we see it "time to move him out and give another his slot".
iHart this season.
Randle last season.
Deuce.
IQ.
and the big polarizing current player is RJ. Many are giving up on him.
Curious if he in trade rumors internally and its phuched with him.
This FO seems patient. Fans are always less than.

I was alluding to the failed three peat when KD and Klay broke down.
My bad.

Your in Thibs head. You can't project he does not see what you see.
What he is also trying to see is the future of the RJ, not just today.
He might know the problem. We don't. We know the symptoms. Big difference.
I see the team as achieving to its talent level. You seem to feel Thibs can more from this group as he "Might be the problem".
Difference of opinion.

KnickDanger wrote:Perhaps we all need a "Regarding My Posts" thread. Or we can sticky this one. We all have an opinion and a personality. Those tend to conflict here, sometimes and between some posters more than others. Personally I'm on the Rainbows and Unicorns bandwagon but also enjoy being a Hater Hater. I try not to take it too seriously -- it's barstool talk on a message board. But sometimes fights break out due to conditions. Funny thing to me is what if we met in real life? Probably would overall be much more cordial. But let us indeed agree on Go NY Go NY Go!

EXACTLY

Its very easy to become an internet bully and don't even know it. I even have to catch myself sometimes. The good news is I'm a prick in person and online. So I dont have pretend to be an Azz hole.

NYStateOfMind wrote:Lately, all I see is the old stubborn Thibs, which used to work years ago. He occasionally makes an adjustment or an RJ sick day makes it for him. Imagine if he had a D'Antoni-type assistant, but most are his guys who preach defense. The defense should come first, it was my bread and butter back in the day. But, his deficiencies combined with how this league is played and disrespect from the NBA/refs toward the Knicks even at home, make most days an uphill battle. Sure you can put it on the players at times, but coaching players, then making adjustments can stop this behind the 8-ball 1st quarter starts. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

So, yes, GO NY GO NY GO. New York is Knicks country, always has been.

Knicks are 6th in offensive rating and 16th in defensive rating so maybe there's a reason Thibs is constantly harping on defense. In yesterday's broadcast Jefferson said the Knicks are 28th in defensive rating since Robinson went down.

They also mentioned (and I agree) that the season changed once Thibs decided to go with the 9 man rotation.

Also, Thibs kept Fournier in until he fouled out and McBride in the whole 4th. Seemed like a smart but also bold in game adjustment considering how well Grimes and IQ have been playing.

gradyandrew wrote:Knicks are 6th in offensive rating

I had to stop right here.

Outside of player rotations and/or which players get playing time and which one's don't etc I've realized throughout the previous 3 years how much of our NYK fans (who've been critical of Coach Thibs) have always criticized him for being Defensive minded but had never evolved into an Offensive driven coach.

But now you're telling me he's led us to a top 6 Offensive attack and alongside of an extremely young team featuring 8-9 kids between the ages of only 22-24 + Jalen Brunson (26) and Julius Randle (28)?

And now he's evolved into developing a young team into a damn near Top-5 Offense?

2022-2023:
Knicks Offensive Rating = 6th @ 116.1.

You know who ranks in the bottom 6 in Offensive Ratings? Outside of only the Miami Heat it's 5 awful teams...

Magic (25th).
Pistons (26th).
Spurs (28th).
Rockets (29th).
Charlotte (30th).

And for everyone who complains about Offensive turnovers each and every night? Coach Thibs has these kids ranked 3rd best in Offensive Turnover Percentage @ only 11.4%

Where the fans who claimed the game has passed him by and how he'll never lead an explosive Offense?

Nalod wrote:Warriors won 72 games and lost in the finals.
Clyde is not always right. HE calls the game, not the career.
Knicks are not doing the same thing as they did in previous administrations of starphuching.
RJ is one month older than Deuce. Just because RJ has now in his 4th season does not mean he is done growing his game.
Some fans might be.
Fans are wrong a lot. We are impressionable about the moment. If a player is doing well we assume it could have been done earlier.
If a player is stepping back we see it "time to move him out and give another his slot".
iHart this season.
Randle last season.
Deuce.
IQ.
and the big polarizing current player is RJ. Many are giving up on him.
Curious if he in trade rumors internally and its phuched with him.
This FO seems patient. Fans are always less than.

Love Clyde. He is our golden idol.
However, I do catch some resentment at times when he talks about players today. Which is understandable considering the level he played at and the fact he made nowhere near the current amounts. Must be tough watching kids that don't completely understand the game at the pro level and are making all this money. I noticed it with Melo and sometimes with Randle. Although I do think it's just that he knows how to and respects playing the game the right way. And being able to make the right play if you are considered elite. Something unfortunately the ones mentioned did/do not always do.

HofstraBBall wrote:Love Clyde. He is our golden idol.
However, I do catch some resentment at times when he talks about players today. Which is understandable considering the level he played at and the fact he made nowhere near the current amounts. Must be tough watching kids that don't completely understand the game at the pro level and are making all this money. I noticed it with Melo and sometimes with Randle. Although I do think it's just that he knows how to and respects playing the game the right way. And being able to make the right play if you are considered elite. Something unfortunately the ones mentioned did/do not always do.

I remember a game years ago where Clyde mentioned a player from the Knicks (forgot who) who had sought him out for advice. Clyde said he was the only guy who had done so in years. It seems like a waste that more young guys don't seek him out for his knowledge of the game and playing in New York.

gradyandrew wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Love Clyde. He is our golden idol.
However, I do catch some resentment at times when he talks about players today. Which is understandable considering the level he played at and the fact he made nowhere near the current amounts. Must be tough watching kids that don't completely understand the game at the pro level and are making all this money. I noticed it with Melo and sometimes with Randle. Although I do think it's just that he knows how to and respects playing the game the right way. And being able to make the right play if you are considered elite. Something unfortunately the ones mentioned did/do not always do.

I remember a game years ago where Clyde mentioned a player from the Knicks (forgot who) who had sought him out for advice. Clyde said he was the only guy who had done so in years. It seems like a waste that more young guys don't seek him out for his knowledge of the game and playing in New York.

I wonder why he never tried to coach

Panos wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Love Clyde. He is our golden idol.
However, I do catch some resentment at times when he talks about players today. Which is understandable considering the level he played at and the fact he made nowhere near the current amounts. Must be tough watching kids that don't completely understand the game at the pro level and are making all this money. I noticed it with Melo and sometimes with Randle. Although I do think it's just that he knows how to and respects playing the game the right way. And being able to make the right play if you are considered elite. Something unfortunately the ones mentioned did/do not always do.

I remember a game years ago where Clyde mentioned a player from the Knicks (forgot who) who had sought him out for advice. Clyde said he was the only guy who had done so in years. It seems like a waste that more young guys don't seek him out for his knowledge of the game and playing in New York.

I wonder why he never tried to coach

He's got a place in St Croix!

You ever notice how often he mentions birthdays? I got a feeling you meet him once and he sends you a birthday card for the rest of your life.

Vs LAC Clyde said, "Back then we didn't have stats. We just had Red.(laugh) I sure wish we did though, I would have loved to use them to shut him up."

50 years ago and he's still got that pride.

HofstraBBall wrote:

Nalod wrote:Warriors won 72 games and lost in the finals.
Clyde is not always right. HE calls the game, not the career.
Knicks are not doing the same thing as they did in previous administrations of starphuching.
RJ is one month older than Deuce. Just because RJ has now in his 4th season does not mean he is done growing his game.
Some fans might be.
Fans are wrong a lot. We are impressionable about the moment. If a player is doing well we assume it could have been done earlier.
If a player is stepping back we see it "time to move him out and give another his slot".
iHart this season.
Randle last season.
Deuce.
IQ.
and the big polarizing current player is RJ. Many are giving up on him.
Curious if he in trade rumors internally and its phuched with him.
This FO seems patient. Fans are always less than.

Love Clyde. He is our golden idol.
However, I do catch some resentment at times when he talks about players today. Which is understandable considering the level he played at and the fact he made nowhere near the current amounts. Must be tough watching kids that don't completely understand the game at the pro level and are making all this money. I noticed it with Melo and sometimes with Randle. Although I do think it's just that he knows how to and respects playing the game the right way. And being able to make the right play if you are considered elite. Something unfortunately the ones mentioned did/do not always do.

We all love Clyde. My favorite childhood hero/player.
when he calls games he is in our heads. I read it from some posters things he says and that becomes ones opinion.
Sometimes he jumps the gun or gets overly negative. Not egregiously, just enough to paint the picture.
Mostly he is correct, so its not like Im saying he has lost it. Its SOMETIMES.
For goodness sake he has been calling games for how long and the last 20 years must be awful to some extent.
His heart is in the right place. SOMETIMES he just gets generic/boilerplate response.
In the end the games and record speak for itself. Its why we are optimistic in the off season (on paper) and then many get salty thru a season of ups and downs. We are about were most pundits thought we'd be. Yet, frustration of .500 has many a fan thinking they know how to get better. Its not hard to say it. Its hard to make it happen.

I watch the game on League pass thru Youtube TV. Really works great. Start game an hour after it starts and zoom thru commercials and halftime. A few times the MSG fed was off and Watched opponent broadcast.Knicks were playing well they were very knowledgable, thus they were complimentary about our team while critical of theirs. Its refreshing to hear other takes on our team. I suggest some of you try it. Even if you don't agree with it. Lets be real, lover or hater we are not objective as fans. My take is we heap praise sometimes over done and are overly critical on others. Im no different.
And we do influence each other?

If a broken clock is accurate twice a day, so can PhilC!

That's exactly how I watch to though I sometimes check the final score first if I start getting too excited.

Panos wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:Love Clyde. He is our golden idol.
However, I do catch some resentment at times when he talks about players today. Which is understandable considering the level he played at and the fact he made nowhere near the current amounts. Must be tough watching kids that don't completely understand the game at the pro level and are making all this money. I noticed it with Melo and sometimes with Randle. Although I do think it's just that he knows how to and respects playing the game the right way. And being able to make the right play if you are considered elite. Something unfortunately the ones mentioned did/do not always do.

I remember a game years ago where Clyde mentioned a player from the Knicks (forgot who) who had sought him out for advice. Clyde said he was the only guy who had done so in years. It seems like a waste that more young guys don't seek him out for his knowledge of the game and playing in New York.

I wonder why he never tried to coach

HE sounds good and imparts knowledge to the audience, but can it translate to coaching? We don't know how he is off the air do we? WE hear him say only one player has come to him. Why is that?

gradyandrew wrote:That's exactly how I watch to though I sometimes check the final score first if I start getting too excited.

Lately I have been missing first halfs. Too busy with stuff. I do check score at half time. Vs. Philly I saw we came back so I put on mid thru second quarter to see. Im not crazy about cherry picking but its a reality. If Im watching full game and we go down big I will fast forward and then back track so I can see if we making a comeback. I don't have time to see us flounder and get their asses kicked. I loved the Philly game 2nd half. Good close game in second half. Win or lose I'll take that.

Commercial breaks are almost all exactly 3 minutes and it's usually a minute between the foul and when the second free throw goes up. I found that it's a huge time saver especially during those 40 minute 4th quarters. #elamendingscantcomefastenough

gradyandrew wrote:Commercial breaks are almost all exactly 3 minutes and it's usually a minute between the foul and when the second free throw goes up. I found that it's a huge time saver especially during those 40 minute 4th quarters. #elamendingscantcomefastenough

haha good stuff. I have fast-forwarding thru commercials down pat, I always start game just about 15-30 minutes behind to be able to zip thru stuff.

Half time is 7 minutes to the MSG 150 second countdown that I like to watch and then exactly 6 minutes to start of 3rd quarter after that

Instead of lovers or haters, we now either have people have an NY "State of Mind" or an NY "Mentality"

NYStateOfMind wrote:Lately, all I see is the old stubborn Thibs, which used to work years ago. He occasionally makes an adjustment or an RJ sick day makes it for him. Imagine if he had a D'Antoni-type assistant, but most are his guys who preach defense. The defense should come first, it was my bread and butter back in the day. But, his deficiencies combined with how this league is played and disrespect from the NBA/refs toward the Knicks even at home, make most days an uphill battle. Sure you can put it on the players at times, but coaching players, then making adjustments can stop this behind the 8-ball 1st quarter starts. That would be a huge step in the right direction.

The Knicks started the season exactly the way you have suggested, faster pace and lots of shot and 3s early in the clock. They learned that their team couldn't keep up with that and adjusted to what you are seeing now: Slowing down, focus on defense, rebounding, floaters with offensive rebound frequency and a concentration of getting downhill with RJ, Randle. You go with your strengths, not something else that's kinda nebulous.

The Knicks are better for it as it better fit their personal. And the record and analytical stats have shown that they have made huge improvements in both offense and defense because of this style change.

Not for nothing but it seems to be your stubbornness that seems to be, well, stuck. Knicks got significantly better with their focus starting in early Dec but you want to run something that didn't work with the personnel that that they have?

For me, this is a baseline year for the Knicks. They FINALLY have a foundation and something to build off of as a roster, team and, organization. 2020-21 was like candy or dessert, tastes real good but not good for you and quite frankly lead to a year of diversion.

Knicks finally have an identity that matches roster and coach and style that works for them. It will have to improve in a ton of areas but it is a baseline you can work from and add to.