What would be the easiest way or most likely scenario to get rid of RJ Barrett? It's hard to put a number on it but I'm convinced he is costing us more wins than he contributes to. Sure he's averaging 20 ppg but he's taking a ton of shots with a horrible FG %. These shots could be spread out to others with a better chance of either making them or dishing them out for easy layups.
Easiest way would be to trade him this summer as teams would gladly take him and happily develop him since Knicks fans don’t have the patience to develop a 22 year old. He would be sought after and probably come into his own elsewhere and media would say same old Knicks. In all seriousness though, he will likely be moved in a package for an eventual upgrade at his position. Knicks seem good with Brunson and Randle as the 2 stars, want to add a 3rd star and then maintain the complimentary pieces like Hart, Grimes, IQ etc over a guy like Barrett who may not be a compliment piece type guy.
Trade RJ! Let it begin....
Hopefully he gets dumped into a deal for a star if he's traded. But I think the Knicks are stuck with for the time being unless it's a deal to similar to Wiggins/DeAngelo Russell.
BigDaddyG wrote:Hopefully he gets dumped into a deal for a star if he's traded. But I think the Knicks are stuck with for the time being unless it's a deal to similar to Wiggins/DeAngelo Russell.
I forgot about this.. wonder if that makes it harder to pull of a trade:
"Barrett signed a four-year extension and is now set to be the highest-paid player on the Knicks."
ccch wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Hopefully he gets dumped into a deal for a star if he's traded. But I think the Knicks are stuck with for the time being unless it's a deal to similar to Wiggins/DeAngelo Russell.
I forgot about this.. wonder if that makes it harder to pull of a trade:"Barrett signed a four-year extension and is now set to be the highest-paid player on the Knicks."
Yep, and I believe there might be a trade kicker.
(LEAVE R.J. BARRETT ALONE!!!) This sounds just like/reminds me of all those "Genius" 27 year old Julius Randle posts/threads (from just last year) by the hands of our "experts".
22 year old R.J. Barrett isn't going anywhere, anytime soon.
Thank the basketball Gods our Head Coach (Tom Thibs) and Front Office (Leon Rose) didn't listen to us geniuses/experts...
BigDaddyG wrote:Hopefully he gets dumped into a deal for a star if he's traded. But I think the Knicks are stuck with for the time being unless it's a deal to similar to Wiggins/DeAngelo Russell.
I think that Wiggs/DLo trade is a near perfect comp for this situation. I think they need to hang tight with him for a bit but de-emphasize his minutes for a little bit. I think his legs are gone. I don't like him at the SF and think he is carrying too much weight. I think he needs the summer to cut weight and come back at the 2 instead of the 3.
People plead development and I tend to agree, I just don't see the progression I wanted to see this year. There really isn't a single stat that he shows marginal growth in. So, its either the player or the situation and something needs to change. Since he isn't really tradeable, I'd like to push him back to SG and see what happens.
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ccch wrote:What would be the easiest way or most likely scenario to get rid of RJ Barrett? It's hard to put a number on it but I'm convinced he is costing us more wins than he contributes to. Sure he's averaging 20 ppg but he's taking a ton of shots with a horrible FG %. These shots could be spread out to others with a better of either making them or dishing them out for easy layups.
Hmmmmm, let me get back to you in a few days while I research the term "guaranteed contract" and "trade."
I don't want to speak prematurely.
Knixkik wrote:Knicks seem good with Brunson and Randle as the 2 stars, want to add a 3rd star
To be quite blunt.
Julius Randle is ranked and rated top 10 (7th overall) in MVP Voting but yet you'll be laughed off the internet if someone were to make it known Julius Randle is an NBA SUPERSTAR.
So out of the 6 Superstars ahead of Julius Randle right now?
1.) Nikola Jokic (Denver).
2.) Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee).
3.) Jayson Tatum (Boston).
4.) Joel Embiid (Philadelphia).
5.) Luka Doncic (Dallas).
6.) Kevin Durant (Phoenix).
7.) Julius Randle
Lets be real.
So many NYK fans have told us that 2-Stars "isn't enough" and how we need 1 Real SUPERSTAR in order to contend for an NBA Championship.
So...
Which 1 of these 6 NBA Franchise's above (Denver/Milwaukee/Boston/Philadelphia/Dallas/Phoenix) are going to take R.J. Barrett off of our NY hands, quit on 1 of their 6 NBA SUPERSTARS and bless the Knicks with a REAL SUPERSTAR?
(Asking for a friend).
NYKMentality wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks seem good with Brunson and Randle as the 2 stars, want to add a 3rd star
To be quite blunt.
Julius Randle is ranked and rated top 10 (7th overall) in MVP Voting but yet you'll be laughed off the internet if someone were to make it known Julius Randle is an NBA SUPERSTAR.
So out of the 6 Superstars ahead of Julius Randle right now?
1.) Nikola Jokic (Denver).
2.) Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee).
3.) Jayson Tatum (Boston).
4.) Joel Embiid (Philadelphia).
5.) Luka Doncic (Dallas).
6.) Kevin Durant (Phoenix).
7.) Julius Randle
Lets be real.
So many NYK fans have told us that 2-Stars "isn't enough" and how we need 1 Real SUPERSTAR in order to contend for an NBA Championship.
So...
Which 1 of these 6 NBA Franchise's above (Denver/Milwaukee/Boston/Philadelphia/Dallas/Phoenix) are going to take R.J. Barrett off of our NY hands, quit on 1 of their 6 NBA SUPERSTARS and bless the Knicks with a REAL SUPERSTAR?
(Asking for a friend).
Embiid, especially if Harden decides to go back to Houston.
martin wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks seem good with Brunson and Randle as the 2 stars, want to add a 3rd star
To be quite blunt.Julius Randle is ranked and rated top 10 (7th overall) in MVP Voting but yet you'll be laughed off the internet if someone were to make it known Julius Randle is an NBA SUPERSTAR.
So out of the 6 Superstars ahead of Julius Randle right now?
1.) Nikola Jokic (Denver).
2.) Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee).
3.) Jayson Tatum (Boston).
4.) Joel Embiid (Philadelphia).
5.) Luka Doncic (Dallas).
6.) Kevin Durant (Phoenix).
7.) Julius Randle
Lets be real.
So many NYK fans have told us that 2-Stars "isn't enough" and how we need 1 Real SUPERSTAR in order to contend for an NBA Championship.
So...
Which 1 of these 6 NBA Franchise's above (Denver/Milwaukee/Boston/Philadelphia/Dallas/Phoenix) are going to take R.J. Barrett off of our NY hands, quit on 1 of their 6 NBA SUPERSTARS and bless the Knicks with a REAL SUPERSTAR?
(Asking for a friend).
Embiid, especially if Harden decides to go back to Houston.
Martin. I love Mitchell Robinson but I can't lie; I'd absolutely celebrate an NY Trio of Jalen Brunson/Julius Randle/ Joel Embiid @ PG/PF/C.
But do we really believe Philadelphia would trade Joel Embiid to not only an Eastern Conference team but also to a team within it's own division ala the Atlantic (while helping them become instant NBA Championship Contenders for the next 5+ years) despite the fact that so many other NBA teams are craving for an elite Center?
I can't believe it.
martin wrote:NYKMentality wrote:Knixkik wrote:Knicks seem good with Brunson and Randle as the 2 stars, want to add a 3rd star
To be quite blunt.
Julius Randle is ranked and rated top 10 (7th overall) in MVP Voting but yet you'll be laughed off the internet if someone were to make it known Julius Randle is an NBA SUPERSTAR.
So out of the 6 Superstars ahead of Julius Randle right now?
1.) Nikola Jokic (Denver).
2.) Giannis Antetokounmpo (Milwaukee).
3.) Jayson Tatum (Boston).
4.) Joel Embiid (Philadelphia).
5.) Luka Doncic (Dallas).
6.) Kevin Durant (Phoenix).
7.) Julius Randle
Lets be real.
So many NYK fans have told us that 2-Stars "isn't enough" and how we need 1 Real SUPERSTAR in order to contend for an NBA Championship.
So...
Which 1 of these 6 NBA Franchise's above (Denver/Milwaukee/Boston/Philadelphia/Dallas/Phoenix) are going to take R.J. Barrett off of our NY hands, quit on 1 of their 6 NBA SUPERSTARS and bless the Knicks with a REAL SUPERSTAR?
(Asking for a friend).
Embiid, especially if Harden decides to go back to Houston.
That would be the dream scenario. I can see RJ, Mitch and picks being moved (likely in a 3 or 4 team deal) and a starting 5 of Brunson, Grimes, Hart, Randle and Embiid would be the best.
ccch wrote:What would be the easiest way or most likely scenario to get rid of RJ Barrett? It's hard to put a number on it but I'm convinced he is costing us more wins than he contributes to. Sure he's averaging 20 ppg but he's taking a ton of shots with a horrible FG %. These shots could be spread out to others with a better of either making them or dishing them out for easy layups.
I was hoping to swap him for OG but I think Raptors are to well run to make the trade. OG and Hart on the wing with Grimes off the bench would be a nice trio of wings.
The hand wringing here about not picking on RJ is silly. The Knicks are a good team this year with multiple options for RJs minutes. If he's not getting it done, Hart Grimes IQ and even Fournier are good options for his FG A and minutes. Knicks can get those points and usage in a variety of ways.
It's completely different from the Randle situation last year because there weren't any options. In a year plus of discussion I never heard a rational analysis for a trade or even cutting back his minutes. His contract had a lot of upside (huge bargain this year) and anyone thinking Obi could replace him as a starter didn't seem to understand the difference between regular season starting and bench minutes/ summer league/ end of season vs talking teams.
If cutting RJs play time leads to the playoffs, it's a move the coach has to make.
gradyandrew wrote:The hand wringing here about not picking on RJ is silly. The Knicks are a good team this year with multiple options for RJs minutes. If he's not getting it done, Hart Grimes IQ and even Fournier are good options for his FG A and minutes. Knicks can get those points and usage in a variety of ways. It's completely different from the Randle situation last year because there weren't any options. In a year plus of discussion I never heard a rational analysis for a trade or even cutting back his minutes. His contract had a lot of upside (huge bargain this year) and anyone thinking Obi could replace him as a starter didn't seem to understand the difference between regular season starting and bench minutes/ summer league/ end of season vs talking teams.
If cutting RJs play time leads to the playoffs, it's a move the coach has to make.
Thus far RJ play (warts and all) has the team making the playoffs as it stands. His cold outside shooting is not killing us. He seems to know when to shut it down and is passing. Thing is if teams leave him open, he has to shoot it. This needs to get fixed. But you make a fair point that if we get there it could matter. RJ has two months to get this fixed.
Key here is not what RJ is today, but him hitting his ceiling. Since non of us are experts we are prone to mostly consider whats in front of us. JImmy Butler is a good study. He has never been on a championship team, is not always a big scorer, he does not shoot very well from deep, but he gets hot. If not, he plays defense. He hits layups, he is clutch. RJ prior to this year was a better defender. RJ Avg’s 20 a game, has clutch moments, and does make plays.
There is a lot to debate and many good points by even his detractors.
Knickks are here staring 2 22 year olds. RJ has been starting his career and logical to expect more. I get that.
There are no experts here. I would love to hear from knicks whats up with him. Is it physical or a crisis of confidence? Either way is it permanent or a phase?
I suspect players confidence wanes quite more than we think. Not the Jordans or Kobe who are sociopath in quests, but many players that go thru a “Funk” and the pressure messes with them.
ccch wrote:What would be the easiest way or most likely scenario to get rid of RJ Barrett? It's hard to put a number on it but I'm convinced he is costing us more wins than he contributes to. Sure he's averaging 20 ppg but he's taking a ton of shots with a horrible FG %. These shots could be spread out to others with a better chance of either making them or dishing them out for easy layups.
I think RJ to his home Toronto is very doable. And I guarantee there are teams out there who still think he has untapped potential. Personally I'm rooting for RJ to pick it up. With Brunson and Randle, we do not need RJ to be this 20 ppg scorer. We need him to be a great two-way third scorer. He can do it. We've seen him do it. It's all mental right now with him.
Nalod wrote:gradyandrew wrote:The hand wringing here about not picking on RJ is silly. The Knicks are a good team this year with multiple options for RJs minutes. If he's not getting it done, Hart Grimes IQ and even Fournier are good options for his FG A and minutes. Knicks can get those points and usage in a variety of ways. It's completely different from the Randle situation last year because there weren't any options. In a year plus of discussion I never heard a rational analysis for a trade or even cutting back his minutes. His contract had a lot of upside (huge bargain this year) and anyone thinking Obi could replace him as a starter didn't seem to understand the difference between regular season starting and bench minutes/ summer league/ end of season vs talking teams.
If cutting RJs play time leads to the playoffs, it's a move the coach has to make.
Thus far RJ play (warts and all) has the team making the playoffs as it stands. His cold outside shooting is not killing us. He seems to know when to shut it down and is passing. Thing is if teams leave him open, he has to shoot it. This needs to get fixed. But you make a fair point that if we get there it could matter. RJ has two months to get this fixed.
Key here is not what RJ is today, but him hitting his ceiling. Since non of us are experts we are prone to mostly consider whats in front of us. JImmy Butler is a good study. He has never been on a championship team, is not always a big scorer, he does not shoot very well from deep, but he gets hot. If not, he plays defense. He hits layups, he is clutch. RJ prior to this year was a better defender. RJ Avg’s 20 a game, has clutch moments, and does make plays.
There is a lot to debate and many good points by even his detractors.
Knickks are here staring 2 22 year olds. RJ has been starting his career and logical to expect more. I get that.
There are no experts here. I would love to hear from knicks whats up with him. Is it physical or a crisis of confidence? Either way is it permanent or a phase?
I suspect players confidence wanes quite more than we think. Not the Jordans or Kobe who are sociopath in quests, but many players that go thru a “Funk” and the pressure messes with them.
Agreed. I didn't get to watch the Atlanta game until last night and I thought RJ played well despite the ugly box score. After he missed his 5or 6th 3 in the second he started passing more and taking to the hoop. I also think Thibs closing with Brunson IQ Hart JR and Hartenstein showed awareness that RJ was off. Nothing big to worry about for now.
RJ Barrett played a decent game last night vs the Hawks, yes, Barrett received to many minutes (32 min).
I been saying throughout Barrett's rookie and 2nd NBA season, "Barrett's not a Starter or Closer in the NBA", which mean Barrett should've been averaging 16 to 22 minutes of playing time minutes the past 3 seasons, at least until Barrett's able to create some more offense/defense moves.
I personally think RJ needs to bring more to the table than just scoring. He's not quite as bad as Eddy Curry in that regard, but he also doesn't score as efficiently. But yeah if you can't hit a shot I want you to fill up the hustle stats
