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martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Alpha1971 wrote:

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Geez, tell us how you feel

Opposing teams better get in position and get ready for us!

LivingLegend wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:Love Mitch - his foul shooting is a disgrace.

Yep - very impactful game but how have his free throws gone from bad to ridiculous?

Because they have like almost an inverted( negative)arc. Clyde always mentions it

MS wrote:Thibs fucking sucks. Facts.

What is he watching, bench the kid now. He hasn’t had it all game. That’s 5 tos

Breath then count to ten 🤣

VDesai wrote:Barrett had a bad 4th, but he saved the game after the Celtics had a 12-0, he came in and spurred an 8-0 run. That was the Celtics best shot to turn the tide of the game and he fended them off

RJ will be a solid closer one day. See how smart tried to keep the Celtics on the game? RJ with his down hill style has the perfect skills to break down a defense. Playmaking will come but he has the harder skill down pack. Getting to the rim and forcing the ref to blow a whistle.

Solid team win

martin wrote:

Rookie wrote:Barrett is hard on the eyes

Even coach K be like What The Fuck

I think he and Randle have it in their heads that they need to dominate the ball. The ball movement slows down with both of them. They play similar styles, get the ball, go… but Randle gets shots off earlier if not better, Barrett doesn’t have the height or athleticism to get the shot off. When both guys stay within their game and don’t over dribble, it’s a much better look for the team. Problem is that Randle is making a lot of bad shots so he thinks they are good shots. Barrett is taking a lot of bad shots and telegraphing it to the point of comically good defense on him (airmailing his shot into the stands).

I think they need to tighten up their game and get Grimes involved more. Once they get Grimes hot, the game will get easier for both of them. Once they get a real vibe with Robinson as a release valve, the game will get easier. They are playing well, but I think this team may actually have another level they can rise to.

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Great line

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Development? Knicks fans don’t know that word.

With the josh hart trade, we can relax now n RJ now. He’s officially back into development training while hart is our closer. If it ain’t broken, thibs will not fix it. That’s the one thing I believe makes him consistent.

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Randle don't believe in that. Regardless of position, he's gonna put his head down and spin it hard to the hole. Mitch also has no finesse at the rim. He just mashes it in.

blkexec wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Development? Knicks fans don’t know that word.

With the josh hart trade, we can relax now n RJ now. He’s officially back into development training while hart is our closer. If it ain’t broken, thibs will not fix it. That’s the one thing I believe makes him consistent.

Time lines………
Knicks can fix Randle and they did fix IQ.
In fact, IQ might still have another gear to go? Still young.
Grimes? That also. The Thibs/Bryant and staff path has them taking strides, then falling back. RJ is doing some things better and many things not.
Bottom line is Jhart and Quick are getting the minutes and the team is winning.
All this and not every player has to have a great night to do so. Thats impressive. Team.
What happens off season will happen in due time.
Some of you negative mongers don’t know how to ignore the bad when good things are happening.
RJ is playing bad but team wins. Thibs either believes in him to keep growing or he’ll bench his ass in due time.

martin wrote:

LivingLegend wrote:

martin wrote:I don’t know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

He’s kind of stuck because once he passes on a 3 his release is so slow his only option is to get to or very near the hoop. Add on his handle is very loose, vision is tunnel - throw in he thinks he’s better than he is and not a good mix.

AGREE - think he’s moved (if possible) once the poison pill is over and maybe even at draft time.

I don’t dislike the kid but his stretches of poor play are cringe worthy - regardless of some of the good stuff

Feel like pretty much every other player has steadily gotten better, both individually and within that team framework and RJ hasn’t, and it really shows now. And he is probably pressing

Agree w all of these thouths. Will add though that after his horrific stretch in Q1 he had 4 very positive plays in second that created decent scoring differential

Hes an enigma and needs to get it together

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

These are nice facts about Jaylen Brown but really hold zero weight and a literal zero to do with anything RJ is doing. I don't know how one situation informs the other outside of age.

The Knicks have done a pretty good job at putting RJ into the positions he needs to be in to get better.

What do you see from RJ that would lead you to believe he is using those opportunities to get better and what has he gotten better at over the past years? Go for the really not obvious, low hanging fruit stuff like having a higher % at the rim or his increasing FT% that is almost to league average now. What's after that?

Knicks are just about at the inflection point in their team building process. Right up until the Josh Hart trade, everything was more geared towards development over everything. That is going to change or already has. Doesn't mean Knicks won't develop guys and put an emphasis there, but wins and playing guys who are in that mode will be favored. ie, all of those 35+ min games and touches will not be there for RJ. All the games won't be against a team like Boston, but this game was pretty much things to come, ie getting yanked after 26 minutes for looking like someone who hasn't been part of a team environment before.

RJ is down to 1 literal advantage on the court: his strength/body and how he uses it. But to compliment that, you need footwork and shot-making ability along with a eye for passing/decision-making with ball. Without the ball, he needs to be able to defend, make open shots, and make smart movement decisions.

RJ in his 4th year now and those opportunities are evaporating for him. It's a literal reality that he won't get the time on the court to work things out. I am getting forgetful these days but can't really identify something RJ has added in any of the offseason. Like here is a skill he used to really bump his game. Most of his improvements have come in volume IMHO.

The next 3 weeks will be telling, it'll show us about how much playing time the Knicks are investing in winning versus getting guys like RJ their normal touches and shots and minutes.

What a great win! Even made Tatum tap out and quit! 26-14 the last 50 games and have sole possession of the 5th seed!

Suffocated them defensively! Sky is the limit when we play defense like that! This is a different team with Robinson. He was everywhere last night! That block on Tatum was one of the best blocks I've ever seen!

IQ has improved so much! Should be in the conversation for 6th Man tbh. He brings it every night, especially defensively. And he's become a guaranteed 16 plus points off the bench. Kid deserves stans and a hive! This is the type of player you do that for!

Hart has been such a sneaky good trade. Never expected him to be this good and I will gladly eat that crow. He is exactly what we needed! Plays hard at both ends, brings energy, can score and shoot some. Breen nailed it when he says he could have played on those 90s teams. Brunson did not shoot well but he will be fine. RJ hit some big shots in the second and had an alleyoop pass to Rob when the C's were making a run but he was really bad in the 4th. RJ needs to play better! We need him!

Now that we have that 5th, let's go for that 4th seed!

blkexec wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

Development? Knicks fans don’t know that word.

With the josh hart trade, we can relax now n RJ now. He’s officially back into development training while hart is our closer. If it ain’t broken, thibs will not fix it. That’s the one thing I believe makes him consistent.

Just wait until Barrett turns the ball over 5 times in a playoff game. He he can just stop with the unforced errors. The rest of the team literally stops and watches when RJ gets the ball.

My favorite RJ play from last night. RJ brings the ball up and starts calling plays. He’s telling Hart to cut and everyone is running around. And then RJ starts dribbling around and runs straight into a triple team turnover ignoring everyone else on the floor. Nobody touched the ball except Barrett, not even one pass.

RJ had some nice stretches (Dec to Jan before his finger got hurt) and he was really balling - looking like the 1b option to Randle’s 1A. Then he got hurt, and Brunson stepped up as the alpha guard. RJ has struggled a bit trying to find his place and Quickley slotted himself as the 3rd option. Quickley alongside Brunson makes the team extremely quick and dynamic - Opponents just seem off balance when we go with these 2 PG sets and haven’t managed to capitalize on offense against them.

So where does that leave RJ? He’s like a 4th or 5th option in many instances. It’s sort of like what has happened to Obi Toppin. He’s in a role that doesn’t quite play to his strengths. Grimes is sort of in the same place.

Josh Hart is currently most suited for this super glue/do it all/filler role. He does all of the opportunistic things really well. (Granted, he’s shooting over 60% from 3 as a Knick and every in-between loose ball seems to be bouncing a few inches closer to him than anyone else). In this type of role, Hart is better than RJ and Grimes. I’d like to think both of Grimes and RJ having more upside, but it’s hard to show as the Knicks are currently playing.

RJ’s path to excellence might be getting more time looking at tape to improve his decision making. I like when the Knicks get a rebound and RJ pushes the tempo - but his choices are a little suspect when the defense gets back and he dribbles into traffic. Last night he took a lot of tough shots near the paint. He tends to do these hook/floater things. He might do well to work on a mid-range fadeaway.

martin wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

These are nice facts about Jaylen Brown but really hold zero weight and a literal zero to do with anything RJ is doing. I don't know how one situation informs the other outside of age.

The Knicks have done a pretty good job at putting RJ into the positions he needs to be in to get better.

What do you see from RJ that would lead you to believe he is using those opportunities to get better and what has he gotten better at over the past years? Go for the really not obvious, low hanging fruit stuff like having a higher % at the rim or his increasing FT% that is almost to league average now. What's after that?

Knicks are just about at the inflection point in their team building process. Right up until the Josh Hart trade, everything was more geared towards development over everything. That is going to change or already has. Doesn't mean Knicks won't develop guys and put an emphasis there, but wins and playing guys who are in that mode will be favored. ie, all of those 35+ min games and touches will not be there for RJ. All the games won't be against a team like Boston, but this game was pretty much things to come, ie getting yanked after 26 minutes for looking like someone who hasn't been part of a team environment before.

RJ is down to 1 literal advantage on the court: his strength/body and how he uses it. But to compliment that, you need footwork and shot-making ability along with a eye for passing/decision-making with ball. Without the ball, he needs to be able to defend, make open shots, and make smart movement decisions.

RJ in his 4th year now and those opportunities are evaporating for him. It's a literal reality that he won't get the time on the court to work things out. I am getting forgetful these days but can't really identify something RJ has added in any of the offseason. Like here is a skill he used to really bump his game. Most of his improvements have come in volume IMHO.

The next 3 weeks will be telling, it'll show us about how much playing time the Knicks are investing in winning versus getting guys like RJ their normal touches and shots and minutes.

its pro sports... RJ is not getting coddled in year 5. He has these "see?!?! Look how good he is" games like once every 3-4 games.

Knixkik wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:RJ is so frustrating with his inconsistency.

He’s inconsistent but then again, he’s consistently bad in first quarters and consistently good the rest of the game.

that sir is the definition of a bench player.

MS wrote:Thibs fucking sucks. Facts.

What is he watching, bench the kid now. He hasn’t had it all game. That’s 5 tos

Knicks... the most knowledgeable fan base

What a fun game.

Assuming this is sustainable IQ is good for a 4/$100mm extension. He's better than Jordan Poole imo... Pool's a better scorer but not by much and IQ is becoming and all world defender.

SergioNYK wrote:What a great win! Even made Tatum tap out and quit! 26-14 the last 50 games and have sole possession of the 5th seed!

Suffocated them defensively! Sky is the limit when we play defense like that! This is a different team with Robinson. He was everywhere last night! That block on Tatum was one of the best blocks I've ever seen!

IQ has improved so much! Should be in the conversation for 6th Man tbh. He brings it every night, especially defensively. And he's become a guaranteed 16 plus points off the bench. Kid deserves stans and a hive! This is the type of player you do that for!

Hart has been such a sneaky good trade. Never expected him to be this good and I will gladly eat that crow. He is exactly what we needed! Plays hard at both ends, brings energy, can score and shoot some. Breen nailed it when he says he could have played on those 90s teams. Brunson did not shoot well but he will be fine. RJ hit some big shots in the second and had an alleyoop pass to Rob when the C's were making a run but he was really bad in the 4th. RJ needs to play better! We need him!

Now that we have that 5th, let's go for that 4th seed!

I love how when Brunson's shot doesnt fall he doesnt get desperate and keeps taking GOOD shots

martin wrote:

CleaverGreene wrote:

martin wrote:I don’t know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

I'll say it in the past...and will say it now. He isn't the only one on this team like that...even Brunson falls into that trap sometimes.

We are talking different solar system of difference though right? Like one has an off game every blue moon, the other has a good game every blue moon.

THIS +100.

Comparing RJ to Brunson a HUGE reach.

NYKMentality wrote:

martin wrote:I don't know how it happens but RJ gets into these modes where he just forgets how basketball is supposed to be played.

Literally just dribbles around ignoring everyone.

IMHO he will be moved in offseason if reasonable deal is out there

Thank the basketball Gods the Boston Celtics didn't quit on and trade away their 3rd overall pick in Jaylen Brown who only averaged 13 points per game @ the age of only 22.

Fast forward to Jaylen Brown @ 26 and he's now a multiple time All-Star (2x) and averaging over 26 PPG here in 2022-2023.

Look @ Jaylen Brown @ 22 then look @ him @ 24 and now look @ him @ 26.

Knicks Front Office won't move R.J. Barrett before he's 24-26; they're going to continue developing him (just like Boston did with Jaylen Brown) imo.

LOL - comparing RJ to Jaylen Brown.

Get your head out of PPG and watch the 2 players on the court —- they are light years apart….especially athletically.

Im guessing that RJ's game would work better with a pass first PG (Which JB isnt) so there isnt as much "dribble, dribble,dribble"

Not blaming Brunson, he's a much better scorer than RJ.

Barrett's footwork, takes to the rim have improved this season. But as many other posters have already pointed out, RJ too often plays with blinders on. To the detriment of the team.

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