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martin @ 1/14/2024 7:23 PM
You can’t not post this, right?

ToddTT @ 1/15/2024 11:00 AM
We forgive you Marcus.

KnickDanger @ 1/15/2024 11:45 AM
ToddTT wrote:We forgive you Marcus.

So Randle loses his cool, huh?

GustavBahler @ 1/15/2024 11:53 AM
KnickDanger wrote:
ToddTT wrote:We forgive you Marcus.

So Randle loses his cool, huh?

Some context

Nalod @ 1/15/2024 1:13 PM
New found respect for Ferry. Dude was not afraid to mix it up.
Clean @ 1/16/2024 11:34 AM

"The Knicks are actively fielding offers for Quentin Grimes, according to rival executives who've been in contact with them, and are hoping to land facilitating help behind Jalen Brunson."

martin @ 1/16/2024 3:57 PM
Probably

KnickDanger @ 1/16/2024 4:20 PM
martin wrote:Probably

If not it's dump Randle and bring back Obi.

martin @ 1/16/2024 4:42 PM
Fournier details

https://theathletic.com/5205884/2024/01/...

Latest on Fournier

With apologies to the cool kids, we’re about to geek out about contracts. Such is a requirement when discussing the Knicks and Fournier.

The team has held onto Fournier, who has seldom played over the past 15 months, for this exact reason. He makes $18.9 million this season and has a team option for 2024-25. New York could pair him with another player, such as Grimes, or picks to bring back a rotation player. The Knicks believe his expiring salary is an asset inside a league filled with teams desperate to shed long-term salary in a second-apron world.

But New York also is starting to look ahead to the summer, when pressure will rise to pull off that trade for a star and when it will have to decide on Fournier’s $19 million option.

If the Knicks have a trade for a star locked in on draft night, they could pick up Fournier’s 2024-25 option and include his expiring salary in the deal, an act that remains on the table, according to league sources. The deadline to exercise Fournier’s option is June 29 — after the draft but the day before free agency begins. What they don’t want is to pick up the option blindly only to learn that no star trades materialize in July and that the team is stuck once again with a $19 million player who never plays.

It’s why the Knicks would prefer to flip Fournier before Feb. 8 for someone who makes a similar amount and is under contract in 2024-25. Come next summer, they could then use that player along with a mix of other mid-salaried guys to match the money coming back on a giant contract.

The Knicks can trade up to four unprotected first-round picks and up to three unprotected first-round swaps, which they are saving for the star. They also have those four protected first-rounders that belong to other teams.

The Dallas pick, which is top 10 protected, is most likely to convey this summer. Including it with Fournier and Grimes could sweeten a February deal even more. The Washington and Detroit selections are both heavily protected and will not be conveyed this year.

ToddTT @ 1/16/2024 7:00 PM
GustavBahler @ 1/16/2024 10:01 PM
https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...

Fultz is making $17 million in the final season of his contract. He's continued to be injury-prone while with Orlando and has appeared in only eight games this season.

Fultz has been on my Knicks wish list for a while. I wouldnt trade him for Grimes, we would still need a player to fill his role.

I would sit him until April, May. Offer Fournier and a 2nd rounder in a deal. See if he will take a 2 year deal to stick around.

Fultz's days of commanding a big paycheck are probably over. If Derrick Rose can come back from his extensive injury history, maybe Fultz can in NY as well. If its not too big an asking price

LivingLegend @ 1/17/2024 11:08 AM
GustavBahler wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...

Fultz is making $17 million in the final season of his contract. He's continued to be injury-prone while with Orlando and has appeared in only eight games this season.

Fultz has been on my Knicks wish list for a while. I wouldnt trade him for Grimes, we would still need a player to fill his role.

I would sit him until April, May. Offer Fournier and a 2nd rounder in a deal. See if he will take a 2 year deal to stick around.

Fultz's days of commanding a big paycheck are probably over. If Derrick Rose can come back from his extensive injury history, maybe Fultz can in NY as well. If its not too big an asking price

Lots of reasonable talk out there (ex Fred Katz) that Knicks DON’T want expiring deals but want to bring in a good player that they would have the option to trade if opportunity arises this summer for better player in larger package. One of the perceived reasons for the Murray interest.

Seeing more and more of this in the league where expiring deals seem to have less value today.

At least that’s the way I’m understanding things.

martin @ 1/17/2024 11:42 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...

Fultz is making $17 million in the final season of his contract. He's continued to be injury-prone while with Orlando and has appeared in only eight games this season.

Fultz has been on my Knicks wish list for a while. I wouldnt trade him for Grimes, we would still need a player to fill his role.

I would sit him until April, May. Offer Fournier and a 2nd rounder in a deal. See if he will take a 2 year deal to stick around.

Fultz's days of commanding a big paycheck are probably over. If Derrick Rose can come back from his extensive injury history, maybe Fultz can in NY as well. If its not too big an asking price

Lots of reasonable talk out there (ex Fred Katz) that Knicks DON’T want expiring deals but want to bring in a good player that they would have the option to trade if opportunity arises this summer for better player in larger package. One of the perceived reasons for the Murray interest.

Seeing more and more of this in the league where expiring deals seem to have less value today.

At least that’s the way I’m understanding things.

I think it depends on the trajectory of your team and its cap space.

Detroit unloaded $$ to Washington. NY to Detroit the year before to nab Jalen.

On the whole, I may agree with you but the fact that most all teams are operating above the cap as well as teams needing to hit the salary cap at beginning of year has changed the landscape. Plus the apron stuff.

martin @ 1/17/2024 11:55 AM
Fred does not say things lightly and without a lot of arrows pointing at the same thing.

LivingLegend @ 1/17/2024 12:15 PM
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...

Fultz is making $17 million in the final season of his contract. He's continued to be injury-prone while with Orlando and has appeared in only eight games this season.

Fultz has been on my Knicks wish list for a while. I wouldnt trade him for Grimes, we would still need a player to fill his role.

I would sit him until April, May. Offer Fournier and a 2nd rounder in a deal. See if he will take a 2 year deal to stick around.

Fultz's days of commanding a big paycheck are probably over. If Derrick Rose can come back from his extensive injury history, maybe Fultz can in NY as well. If its not too big an asking price

Lots of reasonable talk out there (ex Fred Katz) that Knicks DON’T want expiring deals but want to bring in a good player that they would have the option to trade if opportunity arises this summer for better player in larger package. One of the perceived reasons for the Murray interest.

Seeing more and more of this in the league where expiring deals seem to have less value today.

At least that’s the way I’m understanding things.

I think it depends on the trajectory of your team and its cap space.

Detroit unloaded $$ to Washington. NY to Detroit the year before to nab Jalen.

On the whole, I may agree with you but the fact that most all teams are operating above the cap as well as teams needing to hit the salary cap at beginning of year has changed the landscape. Plus the apron stuff.

Correct Martin - for ex. Some teams will view Fournier expiring as a positive and others not.

I’ve just been hearing more and more talk about teams coveting multi year deals that they may be able to churn but again depending on team’s situation.

GustavBahler @ 1/17/2024 2:55 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/27...

Fultz is making $17 million in the final season of his contract. He's continued to be injury-prone while with Orlando and has appeared in only eight games this season.

Fultz has been on my Knicks wish list for a while. I wouldnt trade him for Grimes, we would still need a player to fill his role.

I would sit him until April, May. Offer Fournier and a 2nd rounder in a deal. See if he will take a 2 year deal to stick around.

Fultz's days of commanding a big paycheck are probably over. If Derrick Rose can come back from his extensive injury history, maybe Fultz can in NY as well. If its not too big an asking price

Lots of reasonable talk out there (ex Fred Katz) that Knicks DON’T want expiring deals but want to bring in a good player that they would have the option to trade if opportunity arises this summer for better player in larger package. One of the perceived reasons for the Murray interest.

Seeing more and more of this in the league where expiring deals seem to have less value today.

At least that’s the way I’m understanding things.

I think it depends on the trajectory of your team and its cap space.

Detroit unloaded $$ to Washington. NY to Detroit the year before to nab Jalen.

On the whole, I may agree with you but the fact that most all teams are operating above the cap as well as teams needing to hit the salary cap at beginning of year has changed the landscape. Plus the apron stuff.

Correct Martin - for ex. Some teams will view Fournier expiring as a positive and others not.

I’ve just been hearing more and more talk about teams coveting multi year deals that they may be able to churn but again depending on team’s situation.

I didnt believe Fournier's expiring contract alone would do it. Why I mentioned the second rounder.

They dont take on more years in a trade, and they get a draft pick coming. Not to mention, Fournier gets traded back to the Magic. If his game were to come back, that would seem like the place for it to happen.

Interesting points on the declining value of expiring contracts. Did not know that.

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