Knicks · Another RJ thread (page 3)

Jmpasq wrote:

Knixkik wrote:

KnickDanger wrote:

joec32033 wrote:Something from the Post article on the front page...

But Barrett still has given the team a third 20-point scorer (20.1 ppg) since Dec. 4, with a 44.4/37.0/73.0 slash.
Grimes is contributing 11.5 points on average over that stretch (44.7/37.1/80.0), including 6-for-9 from long range and 22 points Wednesday against Brooklyn. Sixth man Immanuel Quickley also has played in all but one of the past 41 games, netting 14.6 points per appearance while shooting 46.1/38.0/80.6.

For all the shit Barrett is getting, and all the praise IQ and Grimes are getting about their shooting....All 3 players are shooting are pretty close percentage wise. Not saying it to be a schmuck, but it really surprised me they were so close.

I saw this article too and was surprised to see RJ’s percentages in the last 41 games essentially equal to the much loved IQ and Grimes. And averaging 20 points a game. Not saying there aren’t other issues such as consistency on defense, but it is interesting.

Since Randle is balling everyone just needs a new outlet and RJ is the punching bag for the year. Every year it has to be someone. It should be Obi but he’s too much of a fan favorite like Ntilikina was. And I’m not saying RJ concerns aren’t warranted, they are just overblown because everyone is hyper aware of when he does something wrong, myself included.

RJ is a solid player I just don't know if he is the ideal fit. I think a long wing defender that can spread the floor might be a better fit overall. Hart duplicates a lot of what RJ does. He is also a better defender, finisher, and rebounder. This would open up more shots for Quckley as the 3rd scorer. Say you swap RJ with OG. Is the team better?

We may end up including RJ in a package to get a superstar next offseason we almost did it last year with Mitchell. Can that be enough to placate the RJ-Haters?

NYKMentality wrote:So nobody wants to acknowledge how R.J. Barrett is averaging .476% from the field (30/63) throughout 5 games since All-Star Weekend?

No

Philc1 wrote:

NYKMentality wrote:So nobody wants to acknowledge how R.J. Barrett is averaging .476% from the field (30/63) throughout 5 games since All-Star Weekend?

Great...Hope it brings better trade value!

martin wrote:
You think it’ll be tolerated much more now that Knicks are set to be playoff bound? The games are now getting serious.

From the team on the 8 game win streak...

I suspect yes.

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:

martin wrote:I don’t know what this is

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I don’t know Martin? We all saw the game and players makes mistakes and look bad.
Thibs calls time out, and its addressed.
Tweeter is a waste. “Since 12pm on December 5th Randle been shooting 52 % from the left side when he has no braids and wears dark socks”.
Innocuous shit like this just be popping up. It can cute, or toxic. Politics, sports, you name it.

Even guys at the Sunday morning Y league would only tolerate this level of play so much, especially when the rest of the team is taking a giant step forward.

I don’t know, what do you think? Seems to happen more than once a game, the baffling level of stuff.

You think it’ll be tolerated much more now that Knicks are set to be playoff bound? The games are now getting serious.

Its not to the detriment of the team is it?
Would we have seen it if “RIT” Did not point it out? Was Thibs wanting a foul?
YOu think the team is not addressing it BEFORE its a problem?
Seems RJ get the green light and if the outside shot is not working he stops.
At some point it seemed that they wanted him to shoot thru it but he is not, then he starts going to the rim.
The playmaking? When he is not fucking up he setting up more than just getting it down hill and shooting.
Its a process. Thats what I see. Im not 100% right, but I don’t see its to the detriment of the team.
Evident by the teams record and his minutes.
Im ok with him playing less.
I recall Quick also going thru a phase where he was over dribbling. If the shot was not there, he came out.
With an improved defense he is an asset and his decisions with the ball are better.

Im seeing similar with Grimes. His defense has taken a bit of a step back and his passing is not developing.
None of this is permanent. They are developing them which offers inconsistencies back and forth. They are young.
IQ has stepped up and its not about “Being rewarded”, its about contributing.

Rit’s tweeta about RJ after he scored 5 of the teams first 12 points like its an issue was really that note worthy?
Is RJ not listening to his coach? He gone rouge or just a WTF moment?

I saw it live and remember thinking wtf. However I also saw other players making questionable wtf decisions including bad fouls. In fact Randle's entire end of game play was wtf up until he made the final 3pt shot. Players make bad decisions every game. Difference is that the twitterverse is focused on RJ - likely because he is having trouble making up for it by burying 3s at a respectable rate.

GustavBahler wrote:This song popped in my head when I first read the title

That from the Glen Campbell TV show ? Damn I was a little kid. What's next the Dinah Shore show or maybe Don Ho ?

Alpha1971 wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:This song popped in my head when I first read the title

That from the Glen Campbell TV show ? Damn I was a little kid. What's next the Dinah Shore show or maybe Don Ho ?

Did someone say Glen Campbell? 70s takeover!!

Alpha1971 wrote:Well RJ did some dumb stuff but some great stuff against the Celts 3/5/23

Right. And everyone else played smart ball. This is what is so annoying. I can think of 2 players off the top of my head who played a less than stellar game. But yeah. At least you balanced it with he did some great stuff too!

The Knicks played a great game and should have won it in regulation. Staying within the thread, RJ had 29 points and 11 boards and some nice assists. Go ahead now. complain on.

joec32033 wrote:

Alpha1971 wrote:Well RJ did some dumb stuff but some great stuff against the Celts 3/5/23

Right. And everyone else played smart ball. This is what is so annoying. I can think of 2 players off the top of my head who played a less than stellar game. But yeah. At least you balanced it with he did some great stuff too!

The Knicks played a great game and should have won it in regulation. Staying within the thread, RJ had 29 points and 11 boards and some nice assists. Go ahead now. complain on.

I like RJ. Just waiting for consistently good and smart play. He shows flashes of brilliance

Alpha1971 wrote:Well RJ did some dumb stuff but some great stuff against the Celts 3/5/23

Sloppy game knicks could have put away earlier. I counted three times RJ got the ball with 5 seconds left and had to shoot.
Game management by Quick is far from very good in some areas. Still young, still working on things.
IQ was very very good when he had to. Kid was having a good time out there. Randle kept his shit together.
Rj air ball was awful. Fact is he go to the line when knicks were a bit out of sorts.
Fact is, we good enough to beat them in their home. Big ugly win! A true Grinder.

Alpha1971 wrote:All wins are beautiful. Only losses are ugly

Bad things happen every game and if its not a detriment to the win, its part of the game.
As said, the ugly ones count ever bit as a blow out.
Pointing out things that could have been better is what "Development" is for. These are great moments as a prelude to the playoffs.
Would not suprise me a bit if Brunson sits out another game as part of process.
The moans for RJ can be worse if he did more stupid shit. He didn't.
My take on Randle is has has been much better about turnovers this season but all this is will be magnified in post season.
Its like Giannis, teams know how to stop him, its a question of executing it. This year if you shut down randle, you have to deal with Brunson.
Now you have to deal with IQ and Boston did a pretty good job on him. I say that as boston came back from a 11 point deficit and took knicks to two OT.
Lets just say some games knicks are lucky to win, my take was Boston was lucky to hang tough. They were a mess.

Just picking on Morant while he's down.

RJ is a better career 3pt shooter (35.0% vs 32.4%) - which is a bit surprising.
Morant gets most of his points near the basket, where, like RJ, he also finishes well below league average. (Morant 54.8% vs league avg of 60.3%).

Alpha1971 wrote:RJ has to lose 10 lbs

he does look slower this year. Could be added muscle?
RJ is better to the rim this year. Gets to the line very well too. Mid game is better.
The 3 is not. Bloody awful. But, vs Lakers with 5 min to go clock running down he nails one.
It was clutch points. Put us up by 8.
He has one or two bad turnovers a game. Maybe tighten up to one bad one. All players have TO’s.
I don’t know what it is. He still looks awkward running without the ball at times. Seems like he has a nagging injury that he just has to play thru. It happens more than we think.

Lakers been doing much better since the break and that was a big win for us last night.

Big deal, if RJ can keep this up.

If he just goes he usually scores. It’s the clear out and dribble then drive that always gets himself into trouble. RJ does look a little bulky, similar to when mitch bulked up. Added speed would definitely help his defense.

MS wrote:Quick decisions is what both RJ and Julius need to maximize.

If he just goes he usually scores. It’s the clear out and dribble then drive that always gets himself into trouble. RJ does look a little bulky, similar to when mitch bulked up. Added speed would definitely help his defense.

We saw that hesitancy as an issue for both Randle and IQ until they broke thru and got good at some aspects of this.
RJ growth demands he become a better Iso player and know when to move the ball.

MS wrote:Quick decisions is what both RJ and Julius need to maximize.

If he just goes he usually scores. It’s the clear out and dribble then drive that always gets himself into trouble. RJ does look a little bulky, similar to when mitch bulked up. Added speed would definitely help his defense.

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