Knicks · The path to aquiring IQ? (page 1)

martin @ 3/6/2023 7:55 AM
So correct me if I don't have this right:

- Summer 2019 Bullock signs with Knicks but fails his physical and then re-signs at a lower contract.

- This creates enough cap space that allows the Knicks to also sign Marcus Morris after he reneges on Spurs verbal contract offer.

- Starting the pre-COVID 2019-20 season, Morris has 3 months of 3point en fuego shooting, ripping out at 43% from distance.

- Morris is subsequently traded to the Clippers for their first round pick (#27) about a month before the world goes to hell and we all either become part time teachers or alcoholics. Or both.

- 2020 draft finally comes along and the Knicks do some Brock Aller trading glory and end up getting pick #23 and then trading back to #25 to select IQ

- And you know trading from #27 to #23 to #25 probably got us some extra second round picks that'll somehow get tied to the Burks/Kemba/Noel Detroit dump to acquire Brunson, just speculation though cause my coffee has not kicked in yet but wouldn't that be wild.

- The cap space to acquire Bullock was part of the KP deal so all of this is tied back to that trade lol

- The Knicks also used the KP cap space to sign Julius!

In the end, the KP trade kicks off cap space to getting Randle and selecting IQ and the last reminiscence from that trade is still in the balance with Dallas's top 10 protected pick this year.

How's that for data?

Nalod @ 3/6/2023 8:02 AM
martin wrote:So correct me if I don't have this right:

- Summer 2019 Bullock signs with Knicks but fails his physical and then re-signs at a lower contract.

- This creates enough cap space that allows the Knicks to also sign Marcus Morris after he reneges on Spurs verbal contract offer.

- Starting the pre-COVID 2019-20 season, Morris has 3 months of 3point en fuego shooting, ripping out at 43% from distance.

- Morris is subsequently traded to the Clippers for their first round pick (#27) about a month before the world goes to hell and we all either become part time teachers or alcoholics. Or both.

- 2020 draft finally comes along and the Knicks do some Brock Aller trading glory and end up getting pick #23 and then trading back to #25 to select IQ

- And you know trading from #27 to #23 to #25 probably got us some extra second round picks that'll somehow get tied to the Burks/Kemba/Noel Detroit dump to acquire Brunson, just speculation though cause my coffee has not kicked in yet but wouldn't that be wild.

- The cap space to acquire Bullock was part of the KP deal so all of this is tied back to that trade lol

- The Knicks also used the KP cap space to sign Julius!

In the end, the KP trade kicks off cap space to getting Randle and selecting IQ and the last reminiscence from that trade is still in the balance with Dallas's top 10 protected pick this year.

How's that for data?

Not legit until its a tweet?

Good work. Increasing opportunities lead to increased luck. That he was not thrown into a DM trade was key.
Celtics could not match his energy last night.

martin @ 3/6/2023 8:05 AM
Nalod wrote:
martin wrote:So correct me if I don't have this right:

- Summer 2019 Bullock signs with Knicks but fails his physical and then re-signs at a lower contract.

- This creates enough cap space that allows the Knicks to also sign Marcus Morris after he reneges on Spurs verbal contract offer.

- Starting the pre-COVID 2019-20 season, Morris has 3 months of 3point en fuego shooting, ripping out at 43% from distance.

- Morris is subsequently traded to the Clippers for their first round pick (#27) about a month before the world goes to hell and we all either become part time teachers or alcoholics. Or both.

- 2020 draft finally comes along and the Knicks do some Brock Aller trading glory and end up getting pick #23 and then trading back to #25 to select IQ

- And you know trading from #27 to #23 to #25 probably got us some extra second round picks that'll somehow get tied to the Burks/Kemba/Noel Detroit dump to acquire Brunson, just speculation though cause my coffee has not kicked in yet but wouldn't that be wild.

- The cap space to acquire Bullock was part of the KP deal so all of this is tied back to that trade lol

- The Knicks also used the KP cap space to sign Julius!

In the end, the KP trade kicks off cap space to getting Randle and selecting IQ and the last reminiscence from that trade is still in the balance with Dallas's top 10 protected pick this year.

How's that for data?

Not legit until its a tweet?

Good work. Increasing opportunities lead to increased luck. That he was not thrown into a DM trade was key.
Celtics could not match his energy last night.

Yeah I'm too told to tweet. Or too busy stalking Rebecca online to have enough time to tweet. One or the other, probably the later

Knixkik @ 3/6/2023 8:08 AM
martin wrote:So correct me if I don't have this right:

- Summer 2019 Bullock signs with Knicks but fails his physical and then re-signs at a lower contract.

- This creates enough cap space that allows the Knicks to also sign Marcus Morris after he reneges on Spurs verbal contract offer.

- Starting the pre-COVID 2019-20 season, Morris has 3 months of 3point en fuego shooting, ripping out at 43% from distance.

- Morris is subsequently traded to the Clippers for their first round pick (#27) about a month before the world goes to hell and we all either become part time teachers or alcoholics. Or both.

- 2020 draft finally comes along and the Knicks do some Brock Aller trading glory and end up getting pick #23 and then trading back to #25 to select IQ

- And you know trading from #27 to #23 to #25 probably got us some extra second round picks that'll somehow get tied to the Burks/Kemba/Noel Detroit dump to acquire Brunson, just speculation though cause my coffee has not kicked in yet but wouldn't that be wild.

- The cap space to acquire Bullock was part of the KP deal so all of this is tied back to that trade lol

- The Knicks also used the KP cap space to sign Julius!

In the end, the KP trade kicks off cap space to getting Randle and selecting IQ and the last reminiscence from that trade is still in the balance with Dallas's top 10 protected pick this year.

How's that for data?

This breakdown is accurate. A nice underrated move from Mills lol.

But it’s feeling like Quickley suddenly has a star ceiling and maybe can become the third guy on a great team. He’s sure looking that way. He could end up being the big piece to trade for a star, but I would love for him to end up being our answer on his own. A future backcourt of Brunson and Quickley suddenly seems to have an incredible future.

Caseloads @ 3/6/2023 8:39 AM
Knixkik wrote:
martin wrote:So correct me if I don't have this right:

- Summer 2019 Bullock signs with Knicks but fails his physical and then re-signs at a lower contract.

- This creates enough cap space that allows the Knicks to also sign Marcus Morris after he reneges on Spurs verbal contract offer.

- Starting the pre-COVID 2019-20 season, Morris has 3 months of 3point en fuego shooting, ripping out at 43% from distance.

- Morris is subsequently traded to the Clippers for their first round pick (#27) about a month before the world goes to hell and we all either become part time teachers or alcoholics. Or both.

- 2020 draft finally comes along and the Knicks do some Brock Aller trading glory and end up getting pick #23 and then trading back to #25 to select IQ

- And you know trading from #27 to #23 to #25 probably got us some extra second round picks that'll somehow get tied to the Burks/Kemba/Noel Detroit dump to acquire Brunson, just speculation though cause my coffee has not kicked in yet but wouldn't that be wild.

- The cap space to acquire Bullock was part of the KP deal so all of this is tied back to that trade lol

- The Knicks also used the KP cap space to sign Julius!

In the end, the KP trade kicks off cap space to getting Randle and selecting IQ and the last reminiscence from that trade is still in the balance with Dallas's top 10 protected pick this year.

How's that for data?

This breakdown is accurate. A nice underrated move from Mills lol.

But it’s feeling like Quickley suddenly has a star ceiling and maybe can become the third guy on a great team. He’s sure looking that way. He could end up being the big piece to trade for a star, but I would love for him to end up being our answer on his own. A future backcourt of Brunson and Quickley suddenly seems to have an incredible future.

What about grimes?

Nalod @ 3/6/2023 9:08 AM
Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Knixkik @ 3/6/2023 9:12 AM
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

I’m happy keeping Barrett but I’ll move him and picks for someone like OG or Bridges just because of fit. I am not moving IQ for anything short of a player who is capable of being a number 1 on this team. IQ and picks has to be a top 15 player. Otherwise I’ll keep him and probably eventually move him into the starting lineup alongside Brunson as soon as next year.

TheGame @ 3/6/2023 9:28 AM
Nice breakdown Martin. IQ finally figured out how to score efficiently in the paint and midrange area, and he is no longer aimlessly dribbling at the top of the key. He now moves with a purpose. I think a lot of that was watching Brunson and his own physical development. The great thing is that IQ still has room to get even better. I really hope the Knicks can resign him to an extension this summer. If we can lock him up for the next four years at a slight home discount, that will help us going forward in avoiding huge luxury tax consequences.
Philc1 @ 3/16/2023 7:39 AM
How smart of a move was the Morris signing by Perry? We sign him knowing he will be trade bait the following February then he leads the nba in 3pt % while here so he nets us a pick
MaTT4281 @ 3/16/2023 8:45 AM
martin right now:

nyvector16 @ 3/16/2023 9:18 AM
This was previously posted but I think it is a nice graphic showing the impact of the KP trade.
HofstraBBall @ 3/16/2023 10:07 AM
martin wrote:So correct me if I don't have this right:

- Summer 2019 Bullock signs with Knicks but fails his physical and then re-signs at a lower contract.

- This creates enough cap space that allows the Knicks to also sign Marcus Morris after he reneges on Spurs verbal contract offer.

- Starting the pre-COVID 2019-20 season, Morris has 3 months of 3point en fuego shooting, ripping out at 43% from distance.

- Morris is subsequently traded to the Clippers for their first round pick (#27) about a month before the world goes to hell and we all either become part time teachers or alcoholics. Or both.

- 2020 draft finally comes along and the Knicks do some Brock Aller trading glory and end up getting pick #23 and then trading back to #25 to select IQ

- And you know trading from #27 to #23 to #25 probably got us some extra second round picks that'll somehow get tied to the Burks/Kemba/Noel Detroit dump to acquire Brunson, just speculation though cause my coffee has not kicked in yet but wouldn't that be wild.

- The cap space to acquire Bullock was part of the KP deal so all of this is tied back to that trade lol

- The Knicks also used the KP cap space to sign Julius!

In the end, the KP trade kicks off cap space to getting Randle and selecting IQ and the last reminiscence from that trade is still in the balance with Dallas's top 10 protected pick this year.

How's that for data?

Great post. KP dollars at work. Would have liked to have kept Portis, as a backup, but he wanted a bigger role.

BigDaddyG @ 3/16/2023 11:00 AM
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Not sure if it's fair to say "Perry" drafted him due to the evolving front office hierarchy. Could just as easily Aller drafted (IQ shooting numbers at Kentucky were real good) or Perrin. I do remember seeing an article where WWW pushed real hard for Quick. I'm inclines to believe Perry had nothing to do with the IQ pick given the draft history of the franchises he worked for before the Knicks.

Nalod @ 3/16/2023 12:42 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Not sure if it's fair to say "Perry" drafted him due to the evolving front office hierarchy. Could just as easily Aller drafted (IQ shooting numbers at Kentucky were real good) or Perrin. I do remember seeing an article where WWW pushed real hard for Quick. I'm inclines to believe Perry had nothing to do with the IQ pick given the draft history of the franchises he worked for before the Knicks.

ALLer is the cap guy. Perrin is assistant GM. Perry is the GM.
Perry was the assistant GM in orlando.
Perry was here before Leon. They work together. So hard to give praise to Perry?
Perrin works for Perry. Aller works for Perry. Scouts work for perry.
Perry reports to Leon. Perry does a shit job, leon fires him. PErry does a good job, Leon gives him a raise.
Leon reports to Dolan.
Knicks pick IQ. Praise to all that had input.

BigDaddyG @ 3/16/2023 1:22 PM
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Not sure if it's fair to say "Perry" drafted him due to the evolving front office hierarchy. Could just as easily Aller drafted (IQ shooting numbers at Kentucky were real good) or Perrin. I do remember seeing an article where WWW pushed real hard for Quick. I'm inclines to believe Perry had nothing to do with the IQ pick given the draft history of the franchises he worked for before the Knicks.

ALLer is the cap guy. Perrin is assistant GM. Perry is the GM.
Perry was the assistant GM in orlando.
Perry was here before Leon. They work together. So hard to give praise to Perry?
Perrin works for Perry. Aller works for Perry. Scouts work for perry.
Perry reports to Leon. Perry does a shit job, leon fires him. PErry does a good job, Leon gives him a raise.
Leon reports to Dolan.
Knicks pick IQ. Praise to all that had input.

Don't forget the guy from Minnesota who banged his subordinate. And yes, it is hard to give Perry praise. I'm just sayin', some voices are heard more than others. I'll give him credit for Machiavellian backstab Steve Mills. Textbook!

GustavBahler @ 3/16/2023 8:06 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Not sure if it's fair to say "Perry" drafted him due to the evolving front office hierarchy. Could just as easily Aller drafted (IQ shooting numbers at Kentucky were real good) or Perrin. I do remember seeing an article where WWW pushed real hard for Quick. I'm inclines to believe Perry had nothing to do with the IQ pick given the draft history of the franchises he worked for before the Knicks.

ALLer is the cap guy. Perrin is assistant GM. Perry is the GM.
Perry was the assistant GM in orlando.
Perry was here before Leon. They work together. So hard to give praise to Perry?
Perrin works for Perry. Aller works for Perry. Scouts work for perry.
Perry reports to Leon. Perry does a shit job, leon fires him. PErry does a good job, Leon gives him a raise.
Leon reports to Dolan.
Knicks pick IQ. Praise to all that had input.

Don't forget the guy from Minnesota who banged his subordinate. And yes, it is hard to give Perry praise. I'm just sayin', some voices are heard more than others. I'll give him credit for Machiavellian backstab Steve Mills. Textbook!

Im guessing that you're right about the IQ pick. Was from one of his deals though.Thats not to say I dont believe Perry cant find a diamond in the rough. Look where he drafted Mitch.

Looking at the chart, a great deal of what the Knicks look like today began with the work Perry did, cleaning up the mess Phil left behind. He also did a good job on the Melo trade considering he was disgruntled and washed (at the time) How we got Mitch.

As for Mills. Damn that Perry for letting Dolan know that Mills was going to show once again how bad he was at the bball side of being an exec. You should be sending Perry a gift basket lol.

Perry got Dolan to change the way he runs the franchise, after 20 plus years of ownership. No complaints here.

gradyandrew @ 3/17/2023 12:18 AM
NBA is the best story on TV. What if Bullock didn't get injured, or Bran didn't go climbing, or Jay drove instead of Daisy?
Nalod @ 3/17/2023 9:41 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Not sure if it's fair to say "Perry" drafted him due to the evolving front office hierarchy. Could just as easily Aller drafted (IQ shooting numbers at Kentucky were real good) or Perrin. I do remember seeing an article where WWW pushed real hard for Quick. I'm inclines to believe Perry had nothing to do with the IQ pick given the draft history of the franchises he worked for before the Knicks.

ALLer is the cap guy. Perrin is assistant GM. Perry is the GM.
Perry was the assistant GM in orlando.
Perry was here before Leon. They work together. So hard to give praise to Perry?
Perrin works for Perry. Aller works for Perry. Scouts work for perry.
Perry reports to Leon. Perry does a shit job, leon fires him. PErry does a good job, Leon gives him a raise.
Leon reports to Dolan.
Knicks pick IQ. Praise to all that had input.

Don't forget the guy from Minnesota who banged his subordinate. And yes, it is hard to give Perry praise. I'm just sayin', some voices are heard more than others. I'll give him credit for Machiavellian backstab Steve Mills. Textbook!

yes, Gersson Rosas! He reports for Perry too!
Only one I can’t figure out is what does World Wide Wes official role for the knicks?

martin @ 3/17/2023 11:44 AM
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Nalod wrote:Perry drafted him.

Lets see how NBA starts to react to IQ in last part of season now that he has captured attention. Still the ball belongs to Brunson.

As for trade for OG? Im on the fence there but the price changed. IQ value is higher and Raptors if they lose FVV would have a very good replacement to build with.
I won’t venture into costs but lets just say IQ AND multiple picks is not gonna happen.

Not sure if it's fair to say "Perry" drafted him due to the evolving front office hierarchy. Could just as easily Aller drafted (IQ shooting numbers at Kentucky were real good) or Perrin. I do remember seeing an article where WWW pushed real hard for Quick. I'm inclines to believe Perry had nothing to do with the IQ pick given the draft history of the franchises he worked for before the Knicks.

ALLer is the cap guy. Perrin is assistant GM. Perry is the GM.
Perry was the assistant GM in orlando.
Perry was here before Leon. They work together. So hard to give praise to Perry?
Perrin works for Perry. Aller works for Perry. Scouts work for perry.
Perry reports to Leon. Perry does a shit job, leon fires him. PErry does a good job, Leon gives him a raise.
Leon reports to Dolan.
Knicks pick IQ. Praise to all that had input.

Don't forget the guy from Minnesota who banged his subordinate. And yes, it is hard to give Perry praise. I'm just sayin', some voices are heard more than others. I'll give him credit for Machiavellian backstab Steve Mills. Textbook!

yes, Gersson Rosas! He reports for Perry too!
Only one I can’t figure out is what does World Wide Wes official role for the knicks?

Team agitator. Mostly just to get under Thib's skin or get him fired. Keeps Thibs on the "hot" seat lol

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