Knicks · Grimes is self sacrificing (page 1)

Caseloads @ 3/6/2023 8:48 AM
He starts, plays good D, passes, and lets the offense find him
Knixkik @ 3/6/2023 9:13 AM
He does, but he tends to pass up too many open threes.
Caseloads @ 3/6/2023 9:27 AM
Knixkik wrote:He does, but he tends to pass up too many open threes.

If he doesn’t think it’ll go in, I’m happy he passes

He needs 3rd year confidence. And to drive and dunk more, not just 3 and D

blkexec @ 3/6/2023 9:30 AM
His approach is to fit in. IQ used to be the same way. Eventually when you have the opportunity you take it. Right now grimes mental approach is a role player. Just because he’s not at the top of the food chain. IQ approach was different and he’s allowed to impact the team as a on ball guard. Grimes is an off ball guard and that’s hard when your surrounded by ball stoppers. Grimes is not a ball stopper and forced to be a ball mover, just to keep the synergy. But grimes can be a go to player and has the tools to do it. I think with hart on board, it’s hard to get hart off the court because his immediate impact is felt.
TheGame @ 3/6/2023 9:31 AM
He needs to spend the summer working on his handle, and the team needs to let him run a play or two. He literally gets no chances to do anything with the ball unless it is a catch and shoot off of someone else’s dribble penetration. All that being said, he is growing. I think he will have a 3rd year breakout like IQ.
BRIGGS @ 3/6/2023 9:55 AM
He’s got to move more to set up shots. He was barely invoked on the offense yesterday and we needed him
EwingsGlass @ 3/6/2023 7:09 PM
Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.
Panos @ 3/6/2023 7:31 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

Nalod @ 3/7/2023 7:32 AM
Maybe Grimes is Inconsistant and he does not finish to the rim in traffic well? If the shot is not falling , he is also not taking it? He does rush his shot with a quick release. Objectively he is 22 years old and we love him, but he might be falling short FOR NOW. That can change any moment and the talent is there.
Can say the same for Barrett.
Neither is a detriment to the win streak.
I know we love the “Grimes died for Barretts sins” narrative better?
Chandler @ 3/7/2023 10:55 AM
he needs to find his rhythm and in particular learn when he can slow down

has a quick first steps and quick release but there are times he's too fast for his own good IMO

we need his shooting

LivingLegend @ 3/7/2023 11:15 AM
Grimes plays a bit scared IMO - he lacks confidence, it’s a problem he’s had dating back to Kansas.

When he gets the ball he treats it like a hot potato- he either quickly jacks up a 3 or drives like a mad-man to the basket and he almost always hits the floor when he goes to the basket (not a good practice in terms of injuries).

I’d like to see him have the ball more and trust his dribble but he just doesn’t trust himself for longer than 3-4 dribbles. I like the notion of quick decisions and moving the ball but in many cases Grimes is short changing himself/team because he’s playing afraid.

Also - a guy with such a beautiful shot — can you please work on a 2 or 3 dribble pull up. Right now it’s either a quick 3 or crashing to the basket and the floor - often resulting in tough/crazy shots at the rim.

Grimes is one of my favorite players and it’s frustrating he’s not trusting himself- he has as much skill as anyone on team but just isn’t trusting that skill.

LivingLegend @ 3/7/2023 11:16 AM
Chandler wrote:he needs to find his rhythm and in particular learn when he can slow down

has a quick first steps and quick release but there are times he's too fast for his own good IMO

we need his shooting

THIS +1

GustavBahler @ 3/7/2023 11:31 AM
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As has been pointed out, Grimes has trouble making the best use of his speed. His burst is ahead of his dribble.

One thing that makes IQ so dangerous is his ability to stop and go, while keeping his dribble.

Right now Grimes plays like he's being launched out of a cannon. Improving his dribble, will help him change gears more effectively.

fishmike @ 3/7/2023 12:33 PM
Panos wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

This is why I have been calling for Barrett’s minutes and shots. RJ is our least eff% guy. I think others could elevate the squad even more. Not saying dump or cut RJ but he’s not earning his shots and guys like grimes look when they get them

Nalod @ 3/7/2023 2:20 PM
Grimes sacrifice will one day be admired and prophesize!
We can build a religion around his sacrifice. Jesus likeness hangs at the altar of churches.
What can we do for Grimes?
RJ Barrett is Judas, Grimes is our Jesus.
Nalod @ 3/7/2023 2:21 PM
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

This is why I have been calling for Barrett’s minutes and shots. RJ is our least eff% guy. I think others could elevate the squad even more. Not saying dump or cut RJ but he’s not earning his shots and guys like grimes look when they get them

Call for his head!!!!

EwingsGlass @ 3/7/2023 4:25 PM
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

This is why I have been calling for Barrett’s minutes and shots. RJ is our least eff% guy. I think others could elevate the squad even more. Not saying dump or cut RJ but he’s not earning his shots and guys like grimes look when they get them

Call for his head!!!!

Your responses aren't well thought out in this thread. Kind of just noisy rhetoric. If the comment is that the team should allocate some of the shots from the guy shooting with a .487 eFG to the guy shooting with a .566 eFG, that's not an emotional call for someone's head, its basic math.

You made up a story about Grimes not finishing at the rim, even though the 25% of his shots that he takes from 0-3 feet he finishes at a 73% clip compared to RJ who finishes at a 66% clip.

I think the overall sentiment is that Grimes should get a few more shot attempts and maybe Barrett should get a few less. That's not permanent or incriminating, its just that Grimes is doing well and deserves a little more action.

blkexec @ 3/7/2023 4:50 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

This is why I have been calling for Barrett’s minutes and shots. RJ is our least eff% guy. I think others could elevate the squad even more. Not saying dump or cut RJ but he’s not earning his shots and guys like grimes look when they get them

Call for his head!!!!

Your responses aren't well thought out in this thread. Kind of just noisy rhetoric. If the comment is that the team should allocate some of the shots from the guy shooting with a .487 eFG to the guy shooting with a .566 eFG, that's not an emotional call for someone's head, its basic math.

You made up a story about Grimes not finishing at the rim, even though the 25% of his shots that he takes from 0-3 feet he finishes at a 73% clip compared to RJ who finishes at a 66% clip.

I think the overall sentiment is that Grimes should get a few more shot attempts and maybe Barrett should get a few less. That's not permanent or incriminating, its just that Grimes is doing well and deserves a little more action.

Ewing, I agree with you. But I never understood these types of discussions. Maybe thats how Grimes play, when he's playing with several vets and ball hogs. Grimes is the ultimate team player. He's not wired to be the main guy right now. He just wants to fit in and help the team win (just my guess). If he was off the bench, I think we would see a different player. But in the starting unit, there's not enough balls to go around. Josh Hart would be a perfect fit for this starting unit, which is probably why Thibs goes with Hart to finish games. Keeps Grimes confidence up and allows him to grow into the player he will become, instead of forcing it and jeopardizing the team wins.

It's a balancing act with coach. And Grimes is just wired different compared to RJ. RJ is wired to be the man. He will look off Randle and Brunson at times. Grimes will never do that. Thats why I love his game. He just plays the right way. Unfortunately, this style of play will be considered a negative to fans and will definitely hurt his next contract. But that doesnt mean he's not a great young talent to have on the team.

Thibs has to figure out how to get the best out of him, without losing his confidence. Moving Hart to the starting unit and Grimes to the bench might have a reverse affect on his development or the team overall. If it aint broken, don't fix it. We need his defense and that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But real fans of basketball and see his value and impact. I will look a little closer this game. But I think his role dictates his impact on offense. That has nothing to do with his NBA abilities.

HofstraBBall @ 3/7/2023 4:51 PM
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

This is why I have been calling for Barrett’s minutes and shots. RJ is our least eff% guy. I think others could elevate the squad even more. Not saying dump or cut RJ but he’s not earning his shots and guys like grimes look when they get them

Call for his head!!!!

Your responses aren't well thought out in this thread. Kind of just noisy rhetoric. If the comment is that the team should allocate some of the shots from the guy shooting with a .487 eFG to the guy shooting with a .566 eFG, that's not an emotional call for someone's head, its basic math.

You made up a story about Grimes not finishing at the rim, even though the 25% of his shots that he takes from 0-3 feet he finishes at a 73% clip compared to RJ who finishes at a 66% clip.

I think the overall sentiment is that Grimes should get a few more shot attempts and maybe Barrett should get a few less. That's not permanent or incriminating, its just that Grimes is doing well and deserves a little more action.

Grimes is losing his minutes to IQ and JHart.
In terms of shots, think that it's up to the player to be aggressive and take charge of the number of shots they take. Do not think anyone, including coaching staff, is limiting his attempts.
Feel it is more about his confidence and shot creation.

As for thread topic, it's less about Grimes sacrificing and more about JHart and IQ having a bigger impact right now.

Not worried about my favorite player. He is doing just fine. Think his role will continue to increase as his confidence and abilities continue to improve.

ramtour420 @ 3/7/2023 5:07 PM
blkexec wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:
Nalod wrote:
fishmike wrote:
Panos wrote:
EwingsGlass wrote:Seems like Barrett is calling seniority on him quite a bit. Calling switch on off ball position to be in place for the pass out of traffic. Team could prioritize getting Grimes some open looks. But the Big-3 are still a little focused on ball dominance right now. Grimes can open up more space for them on the floor.

I agree. If you get Grimes more involved in the offense, say 10 shots minimum per game, this team takes it to the next level.

This is why I have been calling for Barrett’s minutes and shots. RJ is our least eff% guy. I think others could elevate the squad even more. Not saying dump or cut RJ but he’s not earning his shots and guys like grimes look when they get them

Call for his head!!!!

Your responses aren't well thought out in this thread. Kind of just noisy rhetoric. If the comment is that the team should allocate some of the shots from the guy shooting with a .487 eFG to the guy shooting with a .566 eFG, that's not an emotional call for someone's head, its basic math.

You made up a story about Grimes not finishing at the rim, even though the 25% of his shots that he takes from 0-3 feet he finishes at a 73% clip compared to RJ who finishes at a 66% clip.

I think the overall sentiment is that Grimes should get a few more shot attempts and maybe Barrett should get a few less. That's not permanent or incriminating, its just that Grimes is doing well and deserves a little more action.

Ewing, I agree with you. But I never understood these types of discussions. Maybe thats how Grimes play, when he's playing with several vets and ball hogs. Grimes is the ultimate team player. He's not wired to be the main guy right now. He just wants to fit in and help the team win (just my guess). If he was off the bench, I think we would see a different player. But in the starting unit, there's not enough balls to go around. Josh Hart would be a perfect fit for this starting unit, which is probably why Thibs goes with Hart to finish games. Keeps Grimes confidence up and allows him to grow into the player he will become, instead of forcing it and jeopardizing the team wins.

It's a balancing act with coach. And Grimes is just wired different compared to RJ. RJ is wired to be the man. He will look off Randle and Brunson at times. Grimes will never do that. Thats why I love his game. He just plays the right way. Unfortunately, this style of play will be considered a negative to fans and will definitely hurt his next contract. But that doesnt mean he's not a great young talent to have on the team.

Thibs has to figure out how to get the best out of him, without losing his confidence. Moving Hart to the starting unit and Grimes to the bench might have a reverse affect on his development or the team overall. If it aint broken, don't fix it. We need his defense and that doesn't show up on the stat sheet. But real fans of basketball and see his value and impact. I will look a little closer this game. But I think his role dictates his impact on offense. That has nothing to do with his NBA abilities.


One thing I absolutely love about him is that he picks his spots. Seems like all his shots are good shots( I mean they are taken in the flow of the offense) he does not force the issue, he takes shots that the D gives him- there is no hesitation. All of his shots are smart shots it seems. I really really like that. Have we seen him take even one heat check shot? Not that I remember
Chandler @ 3/7/2023 6:18 PM
agree with the sentiment about Grimes needs more shots and RJ generally less. As celtics say when justifying lots of 3s, it's not personal, it's just math

I do not think this is solely a player thing; it's a coach and teammate thing. need to continually reinforce take good shots, we'll deal with the consequences

fortunately the team seems to have great chemistry and good coaching so i expect improvement over time

we're still not used to ascending players.

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