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fitzfarm wrote:Keeping it with top 10 picks and how they did in a knick uniform
PG Frank ( this one is unfortunate as I loved his defense and his shot showed promise god thought whenever he had a good game he would be out for a week or more )
SG Art Heyman college player of the year hot head from duke drafted in 1963 out of the league 1966

SF Kevin Knox nice kid lacked intensity

PF Jordan Hill WOW someone should be fired lol

C Tom Riker never averaged more then 3 points a game

Bench
Kenny sky walker
Channing Frye
Trent tucker 6 overall pick never averaged more than 11 pts a game. Great game winner though.
Gene short
Michael sweetney
Jim Barnes

Frank actually played for us and the guy we supposedly “missed out on” — Dennis Smith Jr, turned to be an even worse player. The media clowns love to pretend they all knew who Donovan Mitchell was before the 2017 draft but fact is 11 other teams besides the Knicks passed on him too

- , being unable to STFU and draft Curry
- Kobe's dad saying he'd only play for Knicks/Lakers, and we didn't move up
- having a draft swap with Sonics, where the pick got traded to the Bulls for Scottie Pippen

the ugliness of our draft results really don't show up until you see how dumb the team has mismanaged the entire process for a really long time. The team doesn't look nearly as inept if you focus on who they drafted. I mean, the Eddy Curry S&T doesn't register. How about striking gold with Trevor Ariza only to watch Steve Francis turn into dust?

no, no, no, the focus should be on how they fucked up the draft process so much we expect the absolute worst to happen. Like, will the abuse of facial recognition software conitnue and get worse, and then the commissioner decides to strip us of multiple picks?

An alternate way to look at is getting a pick stripped away for tampering was probably our best use of a draft pick in my lifetime. wow.

SupremeCommander wrote:I do not think this thread accurately captures the draft blunders through the years

- , being unable to STFU and draft Curry
- Kobe's dad saying he'd only play for Knicks/Lakers, and we didn't move up
- having a draft swap with Sonics, where the pick got traded to the Bulls for Scottie Pippen

the ugliness of our draft results really don't show up until you see how dumb the team has mismanaged the entire process for a really long time. The team doesn't look nearly as inept if you focus on who they drafted. I mean, the Eddy Curry S&T doesn't register. How about striking gold with Trevor Ariza only to watch Steve Francis turn into dust?

no, no, no, the focus should be on how they fucked up the draft process so much we expect the absolute worst to happen. Like, will the abuse of facial recognition software conitnue and get worse, and then the commissioner decides to strip us of multiple picks?

An alternate way to look at is getting a pick stripped away for tampering was probably our best use of a draft pick in my lifetime. wow.

YOu think that GSW was going to draft someone else until knicks mentioned they would take steph curry?
If anything if should have desueded a team from doing so!

Nalod wrote:I think Fred Weis is the poster child for kick busts.
A dude that don't even show up. One thing to suck, its another to not even show up.

I guess he didn't like the taste of Vince Carter's crotch in his mouth and stayed an ocean away from him.

Nalod wrote:I think Fred Weis is the poster child for kick busts.
A dude that don't even show up. One thing to suck, its another to not even show up.

Agree. Weiss at center and Sweetney at pf. Can we call Iman Shumpert a bust? I think Thanasis Antetokounmpo fits. He was drafted low, but he failed to lure his brother over to the Knicks. And Jackie Butler. We didn't draft, but Isaiah said said signing him was like getting another high draft pick.

BigDaddyG wrote:

Nalod wrote:I think Fred Weis is the poster child for kick busts.
A dude that don't even show up. One thing to suck, its another to not even show up.

Agree. Weiss at center and Sweetney at pf. Can we call Iman Shumpert a bust? I think Thanasis Antetokounmpo fits. He was drafted low, but he failed to lure his brother over to the Knicks. And Jackie Butler. We didn't draft, but Isaiah said said signing him was like getting another high draft pick.

Jackie Blue!!!! Naw, non drafts can't be a bust. Same for Trier. They both had game. Just not the head to stick.
Iman had the game but ACL year two gives him a pass in my book.
Thanasis? 2nd round picks too not a bust. The starphuch of getting Giannis is a valid point but nobody expected much from him.
Isiah was a bust, that we know!!!!

PG Ntilikina
SG Dontae' Jones
SF Knox/John Wallace/Balkman/Monty Williams - Knox continues to befuddle me, given how amazing he looked at times as a rookie. Wallace in particular is a strange bust, given how incredible he was in the NCAA tourney that year. Monty Williams really didn't give much at all.
PF Michael Sweetney/Mustaf
C Weis/John Thomas - Weis was a high price to pay for a player that never came. Sure there was the dunk, but by all accounts he carved out a pretty nice career in European leagues.

More on Weis:
In 2015, a tobacco shop owner?!
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/sport...

Now a TV Analyst?!
https://basketnews.com/news-154742-frede...

The flip side would be Knicks all-time 2nd round/undrafted gems starting five. Yeah, the pickings are slim:
PG McBride/Trier
SG Gerald Wilkins/Dotson
SF Ariza/Landry Fields
PF Sims
C Mitch

technomaster wrote:My all-bust draft team. Going back to around the early 80s, because pre-Ewing draft the world was a strange place.
I'll only include 1st rounders. Lottery picks get extra consideration.

PG Ntilikina
SG Dontae' Jones
SF Knox/John Wallace/Balkman/Monty Williams - Knox continues to befuddle me, given how amazing he looked at times as a rookie. Wallace in particular is a strange bust, given how incredible he was in the NCAA tourney that year. Monty Williams really didn't give much at all.
PF Michael Sweetney/Mustaf
C Weis/John Thomas - Weis was a high price to pay for a player that never came. Sure there was the dunk, but by all accounts he carved out a pretty nice career in European leagues.

More on Weis:
In 2015, a tobacco shop owner?!
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/sport...

Now a TV Analyst?!
https://basketnews.com/news-154742-frede...

The flip side would be Knicks all-time 2nd round/undrafted gems starting five. Yeah, the pickings are slim:
PG McBride/Trier
SG Gerald Wilkins/Dotson
SF Ariza/Landry Fields
PF Sims
C Mitch

I think y'all sleeping on Jordan Hill, who is a strong BUST candidate drafted 8, at least from a Knicks perspective.

Panos wrote:

technomaster wrote:My all-bust draft team. Going back to around the early 80s, because pre-Ewing draft the world was a strange place.
I'll only include 1st rounders. Lottery picks get extra consideration.

PG Ntilikina
SG Dontae' Jones
SF Knox/John Wallace/Balkman/Monty Williams - Knox continues to befuddle me, given how amazing he looked at times as a rookie. Wallace in particular is a strange bust, given how incredible he was in the NCAA tourney that year. Monty Williams really didn't give much at all.
PF Michael Sweetney/Mustaf
C Weis/John Thomas - Weis was a high price to pay for a player that never came. Sure there was the dunk, but by all accounts he carved out a pretty nice career in European leagues.

More on Weis:
In 2015, a tobacco shop owner?!
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/15/sport...

Now a TV Analyst?!
https://basketnews.com/news-154742-frede...

The flip side would be Knicks all-time 2nd round/undrafted gems starting five. Yeah, the pickings are slim:
PG McBride/Trier
SG Gerald Wilkins/Dotson
SF Ariza/Landry Fields
PF Sims
C Mitch

I think y'all sleeping on Jordan Hill, who is a strong BUST candidate drafted 8, at least from a Knicks perspective.

I gotta give Sweets and Weiss the edge. Hill was trash, but he did last in the league for 9 years. Sweets was out after 4 and Weiss never even played.

Sweetney was drafted into a team that was overstocked at PF. He actually played really well his 2nd year - 8 and 5 in 19mpg with 53 pct shooting. He was very strong on the boards. Then we traded him for Curry.

A bust, but I think in different circumstances it could have went differently. He had some depression issues and it manifested itself in his conditining.

SupremeCommander wrote:- , being unable to STFU and draft Curry

This is one of the all-time odder Knicks narratives.

That along with 'Melo should have just signed as a free agent'

If we go by draft misses:
Jordan Hill (2009) - sure we missed on Steph Curry, but 1 pick later #9 DerMar DeRozan. Jrue Holiday was #17. We dabbled with this draft a little; we did have Toney Douglas (#29); we also eventually picked up Brandon Jennings (#10) after injury. Missing on DeRozan was pretty bad.

Sweetney (2003) - One of the best top of the drafts ever based on the top (LBJ, Melo, Bosh, Wade). Lots of solid NBA players with long careers. Best players after Sweets: #18 David West, #21 Boris Diaw, #29 Josh Howard, #51 Kyle Korver.

Weis (1999) - Not sure why we're so upset about a #15 pick. So many emotions about Artest. :) But yeah, Artest was picked #16. Our destiny. Beyond that: #18 Posey, #24 Kirilenko, #57 Ginobili

John Wallace (1996) - The Knicks really loved this draft!
his dropping in the draft spurred a chain of events that meant we didn't get #20 Ilgauskas, who was sandwiched between Wallace/McCarty and Jones.

But wait, there's were still a number of productive players picked even later, many of which eventually became Knicks in one way or another: #24 coach Derek Fisher, #26 Junkyard Dog Jerome Williams, #29 Travis Knight, #30 Othella Harrington, #33, Moochie Norris, #44 Malik Rose, and #54 Shandon Anderson.

But wait, there's even more: We also picked up #2 Marcus Camby and #4 Stephon Marbury. Plus some relatively obscure NBA player named #43 Ben Davis. By my count, 13 Knicks alumni were produced by the 1996 draft.

Knickoftime wrote:

SupremeCommander wrote:- , being unable to STFU and draft Curry

This is one of the all-time odder Knicks narratives.

That along with 'Melo should have just signed as a free agent'

I personally think its odd that Knicks fans believe Pringles not STFU up helped. Here is MDA's own quote:

"We were picking 8 in New York and man we wanted him so bad, I could taste it," D'Antoni said in The Old Man And The Tree. "I didn't know he was gonna be the Steph he is, obviously. But, for New York, he would have been on fire. He went 7 and that was one of the highlights of my disappointment -- it's like, that's huge."

"We could have, I think, moved up to 5 to get him but we had to give up a player," D'Antoni explained. "I think the reasoning at the end of the day, with management, was that we were gonna get him at 8 anyway so why give up that player."

Here is the video, go to 3:50:

Here is Curry's own quote:

“I absolutely was wanting to go to the Knicks," Curry told GQ. "The draft was in New York, it was my dad’s birthday, June 25th 2009. Had a lot of conversations with the GM of New York at the time who said if I was on the board, they’d picked me. So there’s a lot of hype because being in New York, I thought I was going to be a New York Knick. But they always be careful what you wish for, everything happened the way it was supposed to be, so I’m a Warrior.”

It's not an odd narrative. It is the way it is. The GM everyone accused of being asleep at the wheel was in fact asleep at the wheel. So, Pringles ran his god damned mouth and got other teams excited for him. Remember, MDA was a walking offensive legend at that point. Do you think the guy who coached Steve Nash giving fellating curry in the press had an impact on their decision? If the team felt so strongly about Curry, then we should have traded up. Both MDA and Curry talk about the Knicks like it was a freaking certainty, yet you don't understand the narrative? c'mon man

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/sports/k...

There's quite a bit of time until the NBA Draft, but with the Knicks long since out of action there's no reason not to start looking ahead. There's a report on NBADraft.net that says the Knicks promised Stephen Curry they'd pick him with the eighth overall pick, leading Curry to put his name into the draft pool. 

You can blame Knicks for whiffing on picks but curry was not available when we picked. That’s simply a fact. I know I was almost about to jizz myself until I heard golden state announce their pick one spot before.

VDesai wrote:Knicks are possibly one of the worst drafting teams of all time - made worse by constantly trading away picks, so when we have them and they fail it hurts even more.

In any sport.

Until Mitch Robinson and RJ Barrett. Charlie Ward from the 1994 draft was the last Knick to be drafted and retained for a 2nd contract. That's 20+ yrs, don't believe any other franchise in professional sports holds similar history.

newyorknewyork wrote:

VDesai wrote:Knicks are possibly one of the worst drafting teams of all time - made worse by constantly trading away picks, so when we have them and they fail it hurts even more.

In any sport.

Until Mitch Robinson and RJ Barrett. Charlie Ward from the 1994 draft was the last Knick to be drafted and retained for a 2nd contract. That's 20+ yrs, don't believe any other franchise in professional sports holds similar history.

That's a bit different than saying they can't identify talent. Guys like Ariza, Nate, Lee and Chandler were all value picks. I can think of teams like the Kings who have similar, or worse, draft luck. Now the part about not signing a pick to 2nd contract. Is a management issue and there is denying that this team was one the most mismanaged pro franchises in recent history.