newyorknewyork wrote:VDesai wrote:Knicks are possibly one of the worst drafting teams of all time - made worse by constantly trading away picks, so when we have them and they fail it hurts even more.
In any sport.
Until Mitch Robinson and RJ Barrett. Charlie Ward from the 1994 draft was the last Knick to be drafted and retained for a 2nd contract. That's 20+ yrs, don't believe any other franchise in professional sports holds similar history.
That's a bit different than saying they can't identify talent. Guys like Ariza, Nate, Lee and Chandler were all value picks. I can think of teams like the Kings who have similar, or worse, draft luck. Now the part about not signing a pick to 2nd contract. Is a management issue and there is denying that this team was one the most mismanaged pro franchises in recent history.
BigDaddyG wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:VDesai wrote:Knicks are possibly one of the worst drafting teams of all time - made worse by constantly trading away picks, so when we have them and they fail it hurts even more.
In any sport.
Until Mitch Robinson and RJ Barrett. Charlie Ward from the 1994 draft was the last Knick to be drafted and retained for a 2nd contract. That's 20+ yrs, don't believe any other franchise in professional sports holds similar history.
That's a bit different than saying they can't identify talent. Guys like Ariza, Nate, Lee and Chandler were all value picks. I can think of teams like the Kings who have similar, or worse, draft luck. Now the part about not signing a pick to 2nd contract. Is a management issue and there is denying that this team was one the most mismanaged pro franchises in recent history.
Different FO’s were involved, but the record shows the Knicks have done fairly well with later first and second rounders, but very poorly with their lottery picks.
newyorknewyork wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:VDesai wrote:Knicks are possibly one of the worst drafting teams of all time - made worse by constantly trading away picks, so when we have them and they fail it hurts even more.
In any sport.
Until Mitch Robinson and RJ Barrett. Charlie Ward from the 1994 draft was the last Knick to be drafted and retained for a 2nd contract. That's 20+ yrs, don't believe any other franchise in professional sports holds similar history.
That's a bit different than saying they can't identify talent. Guys like Ariza, Nate, Lee and Chandler were all value picks. I can think of teams like the Kings who have similar, or worse, draft luck. Now the part about not signing a pick to 2nd contract. Is a management issue and there is denying that this team was one the most mismanaged pro franchises in recent history.
True that
Who would have thought David Lee would so vastly outperform Amare?
From what I remember Knicks signed Lee to a one year contract after his 3rd year at a higher dollar amount but I'm not sure.
it was after his his 4th year so that often repeated line seems like it's not completely true.
Philc1 wrote:You guys do realize other teams and scouts liked Steph Curry coming out of college? Lebron was attending his games in college and was drooling over himYou can blame Knicks for whiffing on picks but curry was not available when we picked. That’s simply a fact. I know I was almost about to jizz myself until I heard golden state announce their pick one spot before.
Yeah, agree. Knick fans like to dwell on guys picked ahead - we like to talk about how easy it would have been to trade up, NFL style.
I think the KP draft was particularly confusing for Knick fans.
We wanted KAT. We wanted Russell. We wanted Okafor. We wanted Winslow. KAT is great but people have soured on his lack of effort on D. Russell has been attainable a number of times and is seen as a low effort on D, selfish on O player. Both are always injured. Okafor has been a bust, same for Winslow.
KP too is always injured. But we speak positively now because of the KP trade tree that in part helped us land both Randle and Brunson years later.
The other funny part of being a Knicks fan is the lure of the 2nd round center “steal”. We’ve had a number of those. Mitch was authentic. Perhaps the best value pick in the history of the franchise.
There was Willie, the spiritual Gasol heir. He delivered for team Spain, but the game has changed enough that he can’t get floor time in the NBA.
Then there was the whole Randolph Morris thing. Went undrafted after leaving Kentucky too early, returned to KY and had a good season. then signed a free agent deal with the Knicks. He was supposed to be like a first rounder… but wasn’t.
technomaster wrote:Philc1 wrote:You guys do realize other teams and scouts liked Steph Curry coming out of college? Lebron was attending his games in college and was drooling over himYou can blame Knicks for whiffing on picks but curry was not available when we picked. That’s simply a fact. I know I was almost about to jizz myself until I heard golden state announce their pick one spot before.
Yeah, agree. Knick fans like to dwell on guys picked ahead - we like to talk about how easy it would have been to trade up, NFL style.
I think the KP draft was particularly confusing for Knick fans.
We wanted KAT. We wanted Russell. We wanted Okafor. We wanted Winslow. KAT is great but people have soured on his lack of effort on D. Russell has been attainable a number of times and is seen as a low effort on D, selfish on O player. Both are always injured. Okafor has been a bust, same for Winslow.
KP too is always injured. But we speak positively now because of the KP trade tree that in part helped us land both Randle and Brunson years later.
The other funny part of being a Knicks fan is the lure of the 2nd round center “steal”. We’ve had a number of those. Mitch was authentic. Perhaps the best value pick in the history of the franchise.
There was Willie, the spiritual Gasol heir. He delivered for team Spain, but the game has changed enough that he can’t get floor time in the NBA.
Then there was the whole Randolph Morris thing. Went undrafted after leaving Kentucky too early, returned to KY and had a good season. then signed a free agent deal with the Knicks. He was supposed to be like a first rounder… but wasn’t.
It’s just frustrating because I’ve heard multiple times over the years we passed on Curry when any 5 year old can take 2 seconds to google that is not true.
The Porzingis draft turned out to be… not good. Phil made the best of a bad situation and then he got crucified trying to trade Porzingis when his value peaked 2 years later. Okafor would have been a disaster here. Ditto for Russell. KAT I think would have underwhelmed.
