ToddTT wrote:IHart is a wizard.
Damn he’s moving up my list — kid defends all over, protects rim, snatches every board in his area and passes like Bob Cousy - lol.
martin wrote:Oh golly
This one and the 1 to Deuce —- almost wet myself.
franco12 wrote:Does anyone else watch Donovan and think he moves much like Michael Jordan?
The way he snakes back to his left &/or right — I’d say yes but Mitchell may be quicker and is dropping shots from 25 feet.
ToddTT wrote:
Late to the party but these pics are extremely important to team morale —- only wish NYM had incorporated some into his masterpiece game threads.
jamp wrote:How many times has Barrett been blocked?
I can barely watch when he’s on the court — you mention getting his shots blocked but the mishandling of the ball, the passes being deflected.
The 3 on 1 break that he butchered 3 different times - oh man.
Thought Obi was playing well and we are so smooth/fast with Obi plus Obi now a better lateral defender vs RJ - shame he was benched for RJ down stretch.
ToddTT wrote:iHart is my favorite Knick.I mean IQ.
I mean JB.
Ahh fuck it.
Yes - I mean I can go Brunson, IQ, JHart, IHart, Obi, Deuce and Grimey — depending on the moment.
Kid who may be toughest is little Deuce who is ALWAYS ready.
Alpha1971 wrote:VDesai wrote:Still wrapping my brain around how good the Knicks are offensively. Showtime Hartenstein is something
Ball movement. Without Julius ball moves. Obi helps with that greatly
Very apparent — ball dies with Jules/RJ —- Brunson some but he is pretty amazing so free pass.
VDesai wrote:Josh Hart D is crazy good
If we ever run a team of IQ/Deuce/Grimes/Hart/Hart out there - no team defends like them collectively. Animals.
martin wrote:Elite
When these 2 both show up - man we are legit.
LivingLegend wrote:jamp wrote:How many times has Barrett been blocked?
I can barely watch when he’s on the court — you mention getting his shots blocked but the mishandling of the ball, the passes being deflected.
The 3 on 1 break that he butchered 3 different times - oh man.
Thought Obi was playing well and we are so smooth/fast with Obi plus Obi now a better lateral defender vs RJ - shame he was benched for RJ down stretch.
I just don't understand his thought process on many of his drives to the basket...It's like he's running toward a wall he knows he can't jump over but instead of slowing down, assessing the situation, and making adjustments, he just keeps on going, until he crashes into that wall.
CleaverGreene wrote:LivingLegend wrote:jamp wrote:How many times has Barrett been blocked?
I can barely watch when he’s on the court — you mention getting his shots blocked but the mishandling of the ball, the passes being deflected.
The 3 on 1 break that he butchered 3 different times - oh man.
Thought Obi was playing well and we are so smooth/fast with Obi plus Obi now a better lateral defender vs RJ - shame he was benched for RJ down stretch.
I just don't understand his thought process on many of his drives to the basket...It's like he's running toward a wall he knows he can't jump over but instead of slowing down, assessing the situation, and making adjustments, he just keeps on going, until he crashes into that wall.
He thinks he is faster than he is- only explanation.
franco12 wrote:CleaverGreene wrote:LivingLegend wrote:jamp wrote:How many times has Barrett been blocked?
I can barely watch when he’s on the court — you mention getting his shots blocked but the mishandling of the ball, the passes being deflected.
The 3 on 1 break that he butchered 3 different times - oh man.
Thought Obi was playing well and we are so smooth/fast with Obi plus Obi now a better lateral defender vs RJ - shame he was benched for RJ down stretch.
I just don't understand his thought process on many of his drives to the basket...It's like he's running toward a wall he knows he can't jump over but instead of slowing down, assessing the situation, and making adjustments, he just keeps on going, until he crashes into that wall.
He thinks he is faster than he is- only explanation.
Barrett has it in his head that he is an All-Star level scorer but he does not have the athleticism to jump over people at the rim, does not have the handle to consistently create space, and he does not have the consistent jumpshot needed to score from the perimeter. Once he accepts that he is really the 4th option (as I think Grimes is superior) and that he needs to focus more on defense, passing, and cutting then he can become a solid player. As long as he keeps trying to force his offense, he is always going to be inconsistent and turnover prone. He has to really reevaluate his game this summer.
Alpha1971 wrote:VDesai wrote:Still wrapping my brain around how good the Knicks are offensively. Showtime Hartenstein is something
Ball movement. Without Julius ball moves. Obi helps with that greatly
Randle is too slow with the ball in every way. In transition he is slow and in ISO with decision making. Obi won't get you 57 because that is not his game. He is not going to dominate the ball. He will move the ball if he has nothing. The ball movement and player movement is why this team was so hard to guard. The Cavs had no idea who was going to get the ball.
With Randle it is easy to guard. Throw a double at him when he turns his back or when he dribbles then play the passing lanes. Randle will get his number from all the touches he will get but he is inefficient so you will win those battles more often than not unless he is just hot like in Miami.
With Obi you can't plan for him and the team because whoever is open gets the ball. Not only that you now have to account for Obi in transition. This opens up the offensive rebounding for the Hart brothers and Mitch. With Obi it is not about raw numbers because he will never dominate the ball to get consistent high points. He will also have low rebounds usually because he leaks out on transition. Listen to what D Mitch had to say about why they gave up so many rebounds. This is also why Obi who is always one of the nicest people gets pissed when people miss him on cuts and leak outs. Just like how I was pissed when we were not using IHarts passing before. This is their specialty. If you are not using it they are severely limited in their contributions.
Clean wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:VDesai wrote:Still wrapping my brain around how good the Knicks are offensively. Showtime Hartenstein is something
Ball movement. Without Julius ball moves. Obi helps with that greatly
Randle is too slow with the ball in every way. In transition he is slow and in ISO with decision making. Obi won't get you 57 because that is not his game. He is not going to dominate the ball. He will move the ball if he has nothing. The ball movement and player movement is why this team was so hard to guard. The Cavs had no idea who was going to get the ball.
With Randle it is easy to guard. Throw a double at him when he turns his back or when he dribbles then play the passing lanes. Randle will get his number from all the touches he will get but he is inefficient so you will win those battles more often than not unless he is just hot like in Miami.
With Obi you can't plan for him and the team because whoever is open gets the ball. Not only that you now have to account for Obi in transition. This opens up the offensive rebounding for the Hart brothers and Mitch. With Obi it is not about raw numbers because he will never dominate the ball to get consistent high points. He will also have low rebounds usually because he leaks out on transition. Listen to what D Mitch had to say about why they gave up so many rebounds. This is also why Obi who is always one of the nicest people gets pissed when people miss him on cuts and leak outs. Just like how I was pissed when we were not using IHarts passing before. This is their specialty. If you are not using it they are severely limited in their contributions.
The Knicks will become unbeatable once RJ and Randle learn to move the ball more. RJ in particular would greatly improve his efficiency if he moved the ball more and focused on attacking off of a pass (after the defense rotates) rather than off his own dribble.
franco12 wrote:Jalen Brunson=Larry Bird.
I think this is a great comparison on the offensive end. He is a shorter Larry Bird on offense. Dude can't run fast or jump high but his knowledge of angles, footwork and change of speed is just phenomenal. Adding that 3 point shot just solidifies it for me. They say Doncic is like Bird, I say he is Magic than Bird. How stupid does Cuban feel now? He had Bird and Magic in his team and he let one go. Now, he might lose Magic as well.
Alpha1971 wrote:What do you think RJ and Obi were arguing about ?
I am pretty sure it was when RJ missed an open Obi and decided to drive into the defense.
Obi in the postgame…
“All I said was… The court is 94 feet long. Not long enough for RJ.”
He also said he wasn’t worried if RJ would take a swing at him. “I’m pretty sure he’d miss.”
ToddTT wrote:Obi in the postgame…“All I said was… The court is 94 feet long. Not long enough for RJ.”
He also said he wasn’t worried if RJ would take a swing at him. “I’m pretty sure he’d miss.”
Love the fiery Obi!! The bench confrontation sparked him in the 2nd half...Also, glad he called out Rj who more times than not is playing for himself and his numbers.
Fun game! Definitely made me feel a little better about our chances in the playoffs against this team without Randle. Even though Cleveland has supposedly the top rated defense, it doesn't seem like we are going to have much trouble scoring on them. I know Allen was out and he is a good defensive anchor but 130 points is 130 points!
I think it's safe to say Brunson is the best free agent signing in Knicks history! It isn't even close! I knew he was a good player but I had no idea he was this good! He was the best player on the floor last night which included Spida. Brunson was just unstoppable! He's so much fun to watch too! Kind of player that makes you want to hit the gym afterwards and try some of his footwork and moves! And to make it even better, he is someone your kinds can look up to! No drama, great teammate, hardworking, doesn't seek attention. Perfect PG that took decades to finally acquire! Career game last night with 48! I really wanted him to get that 50 but I have a feeling that will come soon. Loved how aggressive he was to start the game knowing Randle leads the league in first quarter scoring and Spida was in the zone hitting everything.
Very surprised to see RJ and Obi get into it in the huddle. It happens. It's really not uncommon and not really a big deal but it was surprising it was them considering how poise and 'friendly' both seem to be. But I kind of get it from Obi's point of view. There isn't a player on the team I curse at and insult more then RJ. He's extremely frustrating to watch. It must be even worse being a teammate and watching a guy make dumb turnovers, miss defensive assignments and miss wide open layup's and ruin multiple fastbreaks. I like RJ and really want him to succeed but he needs a big playoffs. He's been the most disappointing player this season by far imo.
I know Brunson scored a career high 48 but this was a total team effort. Everyone played a role in this win. The Centers were excellent! Rob with the offensive rebounding and blocks and Hartenstein with the passing and defense. That bounce pass to my guy Deuce for the dunk got me hyped! Hart played just great defense on Spida! Stole the ball from him a couple of times and was just a menace! I thought Thibs coached a good game too. There were definitely adjustments made in the second half after the Cavs scored 72. We held them to 44 in the second half and 14 in the fourth!
Not sure if this game will mean anything in two weeks. Probably not but it sends a message that Cleveland is in for a fight. This will not be an easy series or a repeat of the Hawks series. Not with Brunson.
Honestly Barrett has been doing this shit all season long.
I’m sure it’s frustrating for Toppin & Robinson. They have some many easy buckets lost because guys force shots.
RJ had two sequences when he forced a shot got blocked and got it back and took at terrible rushed three pointer that led to two transition baskets.
Toppin is to focused on fitting in. He needs to look at Hart out there who bullies his way to points.
Great team win, hopefully this forces Thibs to understand the iso takes away from strengths of grimes, iq, Hart times two and Obi. You can speed the game up and force the other team to play multiple paces.
And when RJ doesn’t have it, he needs to be benched. We’ve watched that stupid fucking drive into 3 people too long.
