I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games.
Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
What in it for the fans?
By that, does the team get a pass or bump up in playoff standings?
Does team that loses in the final game get that loss as part of their record? I read something about 83 game seaons for winning team?
When is this thing to happen? What about other teams eliminated, do they stop playing and get a break? The team not in “final 4” in vegas, what are they doing? Nothing?
In College in the past you had conf series and some good Thanksgivng games that added to rankings. Something for the fan.
Conf. Titles in college are bragging rights but you also had rivalries and it mattered for NCAA seedings.
March Maddness is fun, but its a tournament and “national champion” is a bit diluted. But there is a lot for the fans and its fun as hell.
Minor league baseball used to so some fun things like first half winner of season played second half winner for there championships.
Teams that started strong were rewarded. The early season games were meaningful and thus the fans had something too.
Maybe NBA can do something to reward teams for early season wins and standings.
First half winner, second half winner and Tournament winner. If a team wins all three maybe a first round bye? Financially compensated of course (to the owner also for games missed).
Maybe give them more money to resign players also so a good team can stick together longer?
Kudos to league with playin as more teams are vying for a spot and keeping interest where was not any.
Rookie wrote:Some detailsThe in-season tournament could arrive as soon as the 2023-24 season. The event will include pool-play games baked into the regular-season schedule starting in November -- with eight teams advancing to a single-elimination tournament in December. The Final Four will be held at a neutral site, with Las Vegas prominent in the discussion, sources said.Each in-season tournament game would count toward regular-season standings; the two finalists would ultimately play an 83rd game that would not count in the regular season. Winning players and coaches will earn additional prize money.
OK, I read it wrong. Thought it would count. Thanks for the clarity!
Rookie wrote:I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games. Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
Soccer has these all the time and they are a super hit?
No reserving judgement to see how this will play out?
Nalod wrote:Rookie wrote:Some detailsThe in-season tournament could arrive as soon as the 2023-24 season. The event will include pool-play games baked into the regular-season schedule starting in November -- with eight teams advancing to a single-elimination tournament in December. The Final Four will be held at a neutral site, with Las Vegas prominent in the discussion, sources said.Each in-season tournament game would count toward regular-season standings; the two finalists would ultimately play an 83rd game that would not count in the regular season. Winning players and coaches will earn additional prize money.
OK, I read it wrong. Thought it would count. Thanks for the clarity!
Yeah sorry, I should have posted that in the OP.
martin wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games. Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
Soccer has these all the time and they are a super hit?
No reserving judgement to see how this will play out?
I can reserve judgement, the conversation is interesting to me. If the Knicks won a midseason tournament I guess there would be some bragging rights, and maybe even a banner hung in the rafters of the Garden. It wouldn't carry much weight though. Any team could win theoreticaly speaking, even the team that ends up in the 1st lottery slot at the end of an 82 game season.
It does not seem interesting to me but a lot of people thought the play-in tournament was a bad idea and now everybody loves it. I guess we will see how this mid-season thing shakes out.
Might be fun, but it also could be death by a thousand gimmicks.
A dumb idea probably spawned by the de facto Commissioner Lebron after the “success” of the bubble a couple years ago
Nalod wrote:What in it for the fans?
By that, does the team get a pass or bump up in playoff standings?
Does team that loses in the final game get that loss as part of their record? I read something about 83 game seaons for winning team?
When is this thing to happen? What about other teams eliminated, do they stop playing and get a break? The team not in “final 4” in vegas, what are they doing? Nothing?In College in the past you had conf series and some good Thanksgivng games that added to rankings. Something for the fan.
Conf. Titles in college are bragging rights but you also had rivalries and it mattered for NCAA seedings.
March Maddness is fun, but its a tournament and “national champion” is a bit diluted. But there is a lot for the fans and its fun as hell.
Minor league baseball used to so some fun things like first half winner of season played second half winner for there championships.
Teams that started strong were rewarded. The early season games were meaningful and thus the fans had something too.
Maybe NBA can do something to reward teams for early season wins and standings.
First half winner, second half winner and Tournament winner. If a team wins all three maybe a first round bye? Financially compensated of course (to the owner also for games missed).
Maybe give them more money to resign players also so a good team can stick together longer?
Kudos to league with playin as more teams are vying for a spot and keeping interest where was not any.
I agree.
Seems like the NBA has a built in opportunity here to just schedule divisional games at the middle of the season and then have the winner of the divisional tournament get a playoff berth.
Each team could do a 4 game in a row home stretch against it's division, the teams
with the worst record would play a game to get into the final Four. And then the winner would be divisional champ with a playoff berth. Rivalries are mostly about geographic proximity.
martin wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games. Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
Soccer has these all the time and they are a super hit?
No reserving judgement to see how this will play out?
I don't follow "football" but my feeling is the various cups involve different sets of teams. Some are European wide, some just for your league, maybe some even cover domestic teams in other leagues. The NBA Playoffs is essentially a second season of a different game with the same rules.
The beauty of the playin is that it opens the door to more franchises potentially winning the championship ("All the Lakers need to do is make the playoffs")
I don't know if there's anyway around that. Look at load management. You have the best coaches and best players essentially saying there's a threshold where injury RISK outweighs the value of a regular season game. Look at the All Star game- who wants to see that?
Players are savvy enough to understand only one way an undrafted 30 year old with career averages of 5 points and 3 rebounds is getting a 25 million contract (last year with a 9 million player option). If Golden State lost in 7 at the buzzer to the Celtics, still no way GP II gets that deal.
gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games. Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
Soccer has these all the time and they are a super hit?
No reserving judgement to see how this will play out?
I don't follow "football" but my feeling is the various cups involve different sets of teams. Some are European wide, some just for your league, maybe some even cover domestic teams in other leagues. The NBA Playoffs is essentially a second season of a different game with the same rules.
The beauty of the playin is that it opens the door to more franchises potentially winning the championship ("All the Lakers need to do is make the playoffs")
I don't know if there's anyway around that. Look at load management. You have the best coaches and best players essentially saying there's a threshold where injury RISK outweighs the value of a regular season game. Look at the All Star game- who wants to see that?
Players are savvy enough to understand only one way an undrafted 30 year old with career averages of 5 points and 3 rebounds is getting a 25 million contract (last year with a 9 million player option). If Golden State lost in 7 at the buzzer to the Celtics, still no way GP II gets that deal.
The teams are not really playing extra games outside of the 2 teams in the tourney finals. And it looks like the buildup in the tourney is just regular season, division games.
I don't get your point?
Some things work, some things don't, some lose luster.
I recall when "wild card" was seen as dilutive to the regular seasons for all pro leagues. Especially baseball.
Used to be 1st place teams who won regular season played in World series. That was the path.
As expansion occurred more divisions were needed for many reasons, and the wild card to keep fan interest. It worked. First a novelty, now it part of pro leagues fabric.
The play-in worked in conjunction with reduced lottery odds. Good move by the NBA.
Im wondering if reseeding after each round of playoffs makes sense beyond geographical travel times. At the same times can a tournament winner gain some advantage? This is for the fans of course.
I like the idea of "final 4" being in a neutral location. What makes March Madness filled with intrigue is teams hit the road to the final 4.
I'll reserve judgement for a year or two and see if they miss something can it be tweeked. I understand league wants to enhance revenue but it has to be thru fan interest.
martin wrote:gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games. Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
Soccer has these all the time and they are a super hit?
No reserving judgement to see how this will play out?
I don't follow "football" but my feeling is the various cups involve different sets of teams. Some are European wide, some just for your league, maybe some even cover domestic teams in other leagues. The NBA Playoffs is essentially a second season of a different game with the same rules.
The beauty of the playin is that it opens the door to more franchises potentially winning the championship ("All the Lakers need to do is make the playoffs")
I don't know if there's anyway around that. Look at load management. You have the best coaches and best players essentially saying there's a threshold where injury RISK outweighs the value of a regular season game. Look at the All Star game- who wants to see that?
Players are savvy enough to understand only one way an undrafted 30 year old with career averages of 5 points and 3 rebounds is getting a 25 million contract (last year with a 9 million player option). If Golden State lost in 7 at the buzzer to the Celtics, still no way GP II gets that deal.
The teams are not really playing extra games outside of the 2 teams in the tourney finals. And it looks like the buildup in the tourney is just regular season, division games.
I don't get your point?
Prior to 2016 divisional winners were guaranteed a top 4 seeding and home court in the first round. I think that was over kill because teams with better records were opening the playoffs on the road. Disbanding the system though has made those divisional games more or less the same as any other except for their frequency.
I think fans still look forward to divisional games. It means more to beat the Celtics than beating the Bucks. I think this would be true for most franchises.
So having a divisional tournament would kind of be like a college conference tournament. You would still be able to tap into some of those fan emotions. Having each team host all of its divisional rivais over 5 days would be a good gimmick for the fans. And guaranteeing the winner a spot in the playoffs wouldn't be too problematic. There would still be 7 potential slots if you include the play-in teams. Most likely some or all of the divisional champs would qualify on their own.
There would be a big advantage to locking up a spot early. Teams could ease up for the rest of the season, so you would guarantee high level of play.
There are a few players who can get high salaries without playoff success but for the majority, the playoffs are where they really can get a big bump. PJ Tucker is a good example. I don't think that will change. So my opinion is for any tournament to succeed, it has to have some tie in to the playoffs.
gradyandrew wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:I'm having trouble caring if some team will be able to declare themselves mid season champion. The games might be fun, but reality is probably just a big payday for the networks to have more national televised games. Can anyone imagine Brooks telling Draymond to STFU cuz who's the mid season champ bitch? Nope.
Soccer has these all the time and they are a super hit?
No reserving judgement to see how this will play out?
I don't follow "football" but my feeling is the various cups involve different sets of teams. Some are European wide, some just for your league, maybe some even cover domestic teams in other leagues. The NBA Playoffs is essentially a second season of a different game with the same rules.
The beauty of the playin is that it opens the door to more franchises potentially winning the championship ("All the Lakers need to do is make the playoffs")
I don't know if there's anyway around that. Look at load management. You have the best coaches and best players essentially saying there's a threshold where injury RISK outweighs the value of a regular season game. Look at the All Star game- who wants to see that?
Players are savvy enough to understand only one way an undrafted 30 year old with career averages of 5 points and 3 rebounds is getting a 25 million contract (last year with a 9 million player option). If Golden State lost in 7 at the buzzer to the Celtics, still no way GP II gets that deal.
Soccer has a totally different dynamic than the nba. Most countries across the world it’s really the only professional sport that locals follow. It’s not like North America where we have 4 major professional sports leagues plus college basketball and football
Do we get a trophy? Do we get a parade? A banner? Do players get rings?
If not then I could care less about this tournament.
SergioNYK wrote:Do we get a trophy? Do we get a parade? A banner? Do players get rings?If not then I could care less about this tournament.
I'd think its banner worthy and winners get $500k!
Nalod wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Do we get a trophy? Do we get a parade? A banner? Do players get rings?If not then I could care less about this tournament.
I'd think its banner worthy and winners get $500k!
Winning one game is banner worthy? Every team in the league can win one game.
Rookie wrote:Nalod wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Do we get a trophy? Do we get a parade? A banner? Do players get rings?If not then I could care less about this tournament.
I'd think its banner worthy and winners get $500k!
Winning one game is banner worthy? Every team in the league can win one game.
Winning the tournament. Not a big banner, maybe a small one?
$500k is not chump change to guys on the end of the bench.
