Knicks · Would you: young Barrett for dame? (page 2)
fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...
1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,
Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
Have to admit, OG’s stat line last night looked like a bad RJ game. If RJ hung that on a play in game I can only imagine the reactions.
Have to see the humor in that!
joec32033 wrote:fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
Excluding players on rookie scale contracts, I think you have to see there is a correlation between talent and getting paid. Won't argue that it is a 1 to 1 relationship, but is it correlated, yes.
EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote:fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
Excluding players on rookie scale contracts, I think you have to see there is a correlation between talent and getting paid. Won't argue that it is a 1 to 1 relationship, but is it correlated, yes.
So you are telling me, Hayward, Porter, Russell, McCollumn, Wiggins, Porzingis, Turner, and Simmons are top 43 and Jason Tatum is not?
joec32033 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote:fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
Excluding players on rookie scale contracts, I think you have to see there is a correlation between talent and getting paid. Won't argue that it is a 1 to 1 relationship, but is it correlated, yes.
So you are telling me, Hayward, Porter, Russell, McCollumn, Wiggins, Porzingis, Turner, and Simmons are top 43 and Jason Tatum is not?
No. Tatum is 42, so your statement reads incorrectly in any event. But I said correlated but not 1 to 1. Tatum is 42 on the highest salary. Top 10 in terms of talent. But you have to recognize that the maximum salary a player with 5-7 years of experience is capped differently than a player with 10+ years of experience. They couldn't pay him more if they wanted to. Yet. Those caps are based on the cap for the year the contract is signed, which is tied to Basketball related revenue. So, years of experience, year of contract all affect salary. So it correlated but not a direct ranking.
Think of it this way. Out of those 43 contracts you name out of the 450 or so players in the league, you will have a very high percentage of hardware related to All NBA, All Defense, MVP, All Star in those 43. Its not going to be an even distribution across those entire 450. That's because talent and salary are correlated.
joec32033 wrote:what's your point? I said RJ is a 2nd tier player. Guess what? He's not as good as any of those guys. You think he's in the same class as the guy's above? He's not (at least not when they SIGNED those contracts). At one point Ben Simmons and John Wall WERE top tier which is why they got those deals. RJ has never been there.fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
The point about the contract is RJ KNOWS he's 2nd tier and that's why he took that deal. He could have waited, and had a monster season and looked for max money. He was smart to sign that deal because he's not top tier and he's not getting top tier money.
Show me a top tier guy who signed for less. Your list above proves my point. RJ isnt in the class of guys on your list
fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:what's your point? I said RJ is a 2nd tier player. Guess what? He's not as good as any of those guys. You think he's in the same class as the guy's above? He's not (at least not when they SIGNED those contracts). At one point Ben Simmons and John Wall WERE top tier which is why they got those deals. RJ has never been there.fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
The point about the contract is RJ KNOWS he's 2nd tier and that's why he took that deal. He could have waited, and had a monster season and looked for max money. He was smart to sign that deal because he's not top tier and he's not getting top tier money.
Show me a top tier guy who signed for less. Your list above proves my point. RJ isnt in the class of guys on your list
Currently RJ is Second tier. That is agreed. My problem is drawing the straight parallel with his contract. Not accurate. Many players have signed for max contracts when they weren't worth it and you are knowledgeable enough to know that.
but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win.
is very different from
Currently RJ is Second tier. That is agreed
So we both see RJ as 2nd tier. You think he's gonna be a star and put it together. I hope your right. I think 4 years of equal growth and regression (especially on the defensive end) is enough for me to look at other guys on the roster who are passing him, and its happening right before our eyes.
Dame obliterates the cap. I would rather overpay for bridges or a type like that.
Have to stay young for as long as your can, can’t go all in for one season.
fishmike wrote:cause that's not what you said before:but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win.
is very different fromCurrently RJ is Second tier. That is agreedSo we both see RJ as 2nd tier. You think he's gonna be a star and put it together. I hope your right. I think 4 years of equal growth and regression (especially on the defensive end) is enough for me to look at other guys on the roster who are passing him, and its happening right before our eyes.
I said RJ is currently 2nd tier. But he is a top end talent. Both can be true.
Nalod wrote:
Have to admit, OG’s stat line last night looked like a bad RJ game. If RJ hung that on a play in game I can only imagine the reactions.Have to see the humor in that!
RJ shot 39% and 29% in 5 games against the Hawks 2 years ago - OG had a very RJ like game last night.
LivingLegend wrote:Nalod wrote:
Have to admit, OG’s stat line last night looked like a bad RJ game. If RJ hung that on a play in game I can only imagine the reactions.Have to see the humor in that!
RJ shot 39% and 29% in 5 games against the Hawks 2 years ago - OG had a very RJ like game last night.
Yeah, but OG has years of prior success in the postseason. Imma give him a pass. That said, I think we've seen enough to know he's not really a creator. My concern is that a lot of his (rumored) dissatisfaction stems from the fact that he doesn't get the ball enough. Would that change if he came to NY? We need big fish and OG seems more like puffer fish. He can seem like a major player from time to time, but it's a facade. This scene doesn't really have anything to do with the point I'm making, but it's one of my favorites. Glad Jessie found peace in the end.
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joec32033 wrote:VDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon Ingram
I had a similar thought, and then I thought that RJ is well capable of becoming as good as they. I would rather show extra patience and stick with the young home-grown talent.
ESOMKnicks wrote:joec32033 wrote:VDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramI had a similar thought, and then I thought that RJ is well capable of becoming as good as they. I would rather show extra patience and stick with the young home-grown talent.
If the cost isn't prohibitive I'm ok with it. My first choice is to hold onto Barrett too. I think his upside is huge. Ingram has some holes in his game and I love Brown, but the way he is acting in Boston right now is a little weird, but I always said the only way I trade RJ is if we get a real (ie not marginal) improvement. Guys like Grant and OG are just shuffling around skill sets buy I really can't say they are better to the point of giving up extra assets to get them is a good move.
Can’t say how Boston feels about that but if you trade for him he gonna want to get that extension.
And Boston will want full value for him and naturally won’t want him in the division. For that matter, If RJ is part of that deal I dont’ want him in Boston either.
Jaylen Brown is a SG, yes? Can he play the 3? I suppose. Does he want that? Does Thibs want that?
Not saying I don’t do this, but it would cost and we’d be competing with other teams who are more desporate than us?
YOu put him in the back court with Brunson you can put RJ on the 3 and be just fine. I’d prefer he be included but its gonna cost like RJ, IQ, and two picks at least. Repeat: “At least”.
Lets just say Boston has to look in the mirror and say “This deal we due with reluctance but it might put us over the top”. If you can’t say that then they won’t do it.
We have the assets to get it done. Question is how close would that get us with whats left?
Nalod wrote:Jaylen got a bit of Kyrie in him but other than that he is border All NBA and he is vying for a max deal if he gets it.
Can’t say how Boston feels about that but if you trade for him he gonna want to get that extension.
And Boston will want full value for him and naturally won’t want him in the division. For that matter, If RJ is part of that deal I dont’ want him in Boston either.
Jaylen Brown is a SG, yes? Can he play the 3? I suppose. Does he want that? Does Thibs want that?
Not saying I don’t do this, but it would cost and we’d be competing with other teams who are more desporate than us?
YOu put him in the back court with Brunson you can put RJ on the 3 and be just fine. I’d prefer he be included but its gonna cost like RJ, IQ, and two picks at least. Repeat: “At least”.
Lets just say Boston has to look in the mirror and say “This deal we due with reluctance but it might put us over the top”. If you can’t say that then they won’t do it.
We have the assets to get it done. Question is how close would that get us with whats left?
You got it right; he’s got some Kyrie in him
EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote:EwingsGlass wrote:joec32033 wrote:fishmike wrote:joec32033 wrote:problem with the bold is nobody in NBA circles believe that but a few Knick fans. If RJ believed it himself he wouldnt have resigned for what he did. He would have bet on himself getting a max contract. Instead he took a 2nd tier contract and is proving to be a 2nd tier playerVDesai wrote:We don't maximize our talent by trading RJ for another undersized combo guard to pair with Brunson. We need a lengthy SG/SF who can play defense and stretch the floor. Guys like Trey Murphy III and Cameron Johnson seem to be the best kind of fits.Dame is a great, but will be in his mid 30s and hasn't played over 70 games in 5 yrs and leaves us weak defensively. And it will cost way more than RJ.
2 guys I am trading RJ for
Jaylen Brown
Brandon IngramThe guys you mentioned should be gettable with a guy like Obi.
I know the cliche line of "we need a team of Josh Hart's, instead of selfish players like RJ and Julius" sounds great and honorable, but you need talent, top end talent (RJ is a top end talent) and players like that to win. The Knicks are not good enough to trade for fit yet. Cam Johnson and Trey Murphy are NOT getting you closer to a title, no matter the fit.
This is not a starphuck (I hate the fucking term...thanks Nalod) post, but a maximize your assets post. The RJ hate gets in the way of valuing him when talking trade.
So now we are equating contracts with talent?
https://www.basketball-reference.com/con...1 Stephen Curry GSW $48,070,014 $51,915,615 $55,761,216 $59,606,817 $215,353,662
2 Russell Westbrook UTA $47,559,433 $47,063,478
3 LeBron James LAL $44,474,988 $53,369,986 $57,639,585 $97,844,974
4 Kevin Durant PHO $44,119,845 $47,649,433 $51,179,021 $54,708,609 $197,656,908
5 Bradley Beal WAS $43,279,250 $46,741,590 $50,203,930 $53,666,270 $57,128,610 $193,891,040
6 Damian Lillard POR $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $58,545,211 $63,228,828 $195,465,463
7 Giannis Antetokounmpo MIL $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $51,935,268 $136,920,252
8 Paul George LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
9 Kawhi Leonard LAC $42,492,492 $45,640,084 $48,787,676 $88,132,576
10 John Wall HOU $47,345,760 $6,802,950 $54,148,710
11 Klay Thompson GSW $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $83,819,520
12 Kyrie Irving DAL $38,917,057 $38,917,057
13 Rudy Gobert MIN $38,172,414 $41,000,000 $43,827,586 $46,655,172 $123,000,000
14 Anthony Davis LAL $37,980,720 $40,600,080 $43,219,440 $78,580,800
15 Khris Middleton MIL $37,948,276 $40,396,552 $37,948,276
16 Jimmy Butler MIA $37,653,300 $45,183,960 $48,798,677 $52,413,394 $131,635,937
17 Tobias Harris PHI $37,633,050 $39,270,150 $76,903,200
18 Luka Dončić DAL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
19 Trae Young ATL $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $215,159,700
20 Zach LaVine CHI $37,096,500 $40,064,220 $43,031,940 $45,999,660 $48,967,380 $166,192,320
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
21 Ben Simmons BRK $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $40,338,144 $113,680,224
22 Pascal Siakam TOR $35,448,672 $37,893,408 $73,342,080
23 Myles Turner IND $35,069,500 $20,975,000 $19,928,500 $75,973,000
24 Devin Booker PHO $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $290,467,200
25 Karl-Anthony Towns MIN $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $49,245,000 $53,184,600 $57,124,200 $61,063,800 $229,403,400
26 Kristaps Porziņģis WAS $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $33,833,400
27 Jrue Holiday MIL $33,665,040 $36,158,747 $38,652,454 $69,823,787
28 Joel Embiid PHI $33,616,770 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $185,572,770
29 Andrew Wiggins GSW $33,616,770 $24,330,357 $26,276,786 $28,223,215 $30,169,644 $112,447,128
30 CJ McCollum NOP $33,333,333 $35,802,469 $33,333,333 $30,666,666 $133,135,801
31 Nikola Jokić DEN $33,047,803 $46,900,000 $50,652,000 $54,404,000 $58,156,000 $61,908,000 $243,159,803
32 James Harden PHI $33,000,000 $35,640,000 $33,000,000
33 Brandon Ingram NOP $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
34 Jamal Murray DEN $31,650,600 $33,833,400 $36,016,200 $101,500,200
35 D'Angelo Russell LAL $31,377,750 $31,377,750
36 Shai Gilgeous-Alexander OKC $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $179,299,750
37 Michael Porter Jr. DEN $30,913,750 $33,386,850 $35,859,950 $38,333,050 $40,806,150 $150,493,600
38 Deandre Ayton PHO $30,913,750 $32,459,438 $34,005,126 $35,550,814 $132,929,128
39 Donovan Mitchell CLE $30,913,750 $33,162,030 $35,410,310 $37,096,620 $99,486,090
40 De'Aaron Fox SAC $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
Salary
Rk Player Tm 2022-23 2023-24 2024-25 2025-26 2026-27 2027-28 Guaranteed
41 Bam Adebayo MIA $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $134,896,800
42 Jayson Tatum BOS $30,351,780 $32,600,060 $34,848,340 $37,096,620 $97,800,180
43 Gordon Hayward CHO $30,075,000 $31,500,000 $61,575,Top 43 contracts. I stuck with over 30 million. So you are telling me these are the 43 most talented players currently in the NBA?
Excluding players on rookie scale contracts, I think you have to see there is a correlation between talent and getting paid. Won't argue that it is a 1 to 1 relationship, but is it correlated, yes.
So you are telling me, Hayward, Porter, Russell, McCollumn, Wiggins, Porzingis, Turner, and Simmons are top 43 and Jason Tatum is not?
No. Tatum is 42, so your statement reads incorrectly in any event. But I said correlated but not 1 to 1. Tatum is 42 on the highest salary. Top 10 in terms of talent. But you have to recognize that the maximum salary a player with 5-7 years of experience is capped differently than a player with 10+ years of experience. They couldn't pay him more if they wanted to. Yet. Those caps are based on the cap for the year the contract is signed, which is tied to Basketball related revenue. So, years of experience, year of contract all affect salary. So it correlated but not a direct ranking.
Think of it this way. Out of those 43 contracts you name out of the 450 or so players in the league, you will have a very high percentage of hardware related to All NBA, All Defense, MVP, All Star in those 43. Its not going to be an even distribution across those entire 450. That's because talent and salary are correlated.
I think I responded to the wrong post than I wanted to with that response, because you left room for error with how you said it isn't 1 for 1 correlated. That was technically my point.
I do offer this up. It is talent or performance that correlates closer to contract value? I offer that it is performance.
joec32033 wrote:I do offer this up. It is talent or performance that correlates closer to contract value? I offer that it is performance.
I'd offer up that it is more than talent or performance. A lot of it is just circumstance of both the individual and the team.
If a team is desperate to keep a particular player cause they are over the cap and wouldn't be able to sign anyone else and risk losing the player for nothing, the team will overpay.
No one should be surprised by Tatum being #43 coming off of a rookie contract.
martin wrote:joec32033 wrote:I do offer this up. It is talent or performance that correlates closer to contract value? I offer that it is performance.I'd offer up that it is more than talent or performance. A lot of it is just circumstance of both the individual and the team.
If a team is desperate to keep a particular player cause they are over the cap and wouldn't be able to sign anyone else and risk losing the player for nothing, the team will overpay.
No one should be surprised by Tatum being #43 coming off of a rookie contract.
100% makes my origional point for me, but in a better way than I have been trying to show.. The only point I am trying to make is that contract values do not specifically correlate to just talent.
joec32033 wrote:if you are paid below the max it pretty much does. Its rookie scale, max scale and everything in between. If RJ or his agent believed he was top tier he would NOT have signed that contract. He would have had a monster 4th year and earned his max. Bottom line is RJ didnt bet on himself. It's tellingmartin wrote:joec32033 wrote:I do offer this up. It is talent or performance that correlates closer to contract value? I offer that it is performance.I'd offer up that it is more than talent or performance. A lot of it is just circumstance of both the individual and the team.
If a team is desperate to keep a particular player cause they are over the cap and wouldn't be able to sign anyone else and risk losing the player for nothing, the team will overpay.
No one should be surprised by Tatum being #43 coming off of a rookie contract.
100% makes my origional point for me, but in a better way than I have been trying to show.. The only point I am trying to make is that contract values do not specifically correlate to just talent.