Nalod wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Quick kind of untouchable particularly given how beat up Brunson is and that they play well together.Keep the key roster players in tact —- move RJ 
No No NO............
Im like RJ's mother these days!
My take is not who goes out but who comes in.
Im open to all ideas because at the end of the day its out of fans control and we root for who comes in!
Sad as it is to trade IQ if it gets us that much closer to contention then we gonna love that player.
Easy to say "lets trade RJ"......as if his replacement is a guaranteed fit.
Now, I know not all agree with me and not a thing I can say to convince anyone that I see improvement, and I see what's regressed and he is worth holding on to.
Why? Cuz I not expert in 22 year olds.
Me? Im old school. Im ok with short PG's but like my SG like Grimes.....6-5 and quick release shot! So yeah.
Im fine running the whole team back! Watch as many games as I have these kids are like family. Got us a grumpy Randle, the hard working Brunson, the light hearted IQ, the always smiling OBI, the goofy Mitch, the intense JHart, and the Sleepy RJ! Reminds me of my 19 year old Nephew. Good kid, smart but just mumbles and alway "tired"........RJ looks like he a kid needing more sleep!
Bro you are! And all respect. I got tired of the non answers to the double standards and now I pick and choose my battles. But you are not alone. I agree with just about everything you say in respect to RJ.
TPercy wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The OP's proposal would be like winning a million dollars in the lottery. And using the winnings to buy a million lottery tickets. Bruh, that's the "André" talking lol.
If IQ is traded, it should be for a clear upgrade, not the lotto.
what you are leaving out is we already have a million dollars. IQ plays the same position as Brunson, and Brunson is young. Brandon Miller is a blue chip star prospect with a the physical profile this roster is missing.You arent trading IQ for a pick and taking the BPA. You are trading him for a clear shot to draft a star player you have extensively scouted. Nobody is looking back if the guy is the next Paul George or Kris Middleton
Still would be dumb trading a sure thing for a maybe.
That’s how you get value
The issue is that outside of wemby, nobody in this draft is worth the risk. I wouldn't even trade IQ for Henderson.
Yup, dont understand why they dont get that part. It would cost a lot more than IQ to nab the first pick.
Beyond the first pick, we would be lucky to draft a prospect and develop him into the player Quickley is now.
The whole reason to draft players is to have them turn into iq. Grimes and iq are untouchables.
Would you trade RJ and picks for a sign and trade for Jeremi Grant ? Or make a trade for DeRozan or Jimmy Butler ?
Alpha1971 wrote:Would you trade RJ and picks for a sign and trade for Jeremi Grant ? Or make a trade for DeRozan or Jimmy Butler ?
Butler and Derozan are too old. Grant isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant picks. He is probably on the same level as OG for me.
Just because the market got nuts doesn't mean they have to over pay for everything. I would rather not make a move than one that mortgages the next 5 years just to get to the 2nd round.
None of those players put the Knicks on a tier with the Bucks/Celtics. May even up the talent level with the top end talent of the Cavs a little bit. But,at least with Butler and Derozan, for how long?
Alpha1971 wrote:Would you trade RJ and picks for a sign and trade for Jeremi Grant ? Or make a trade for DeRozan or Jimmy Butler ?
lets take RJ out of the equation and perhaps dive into Grant and why he is a better fit.
My questions about him are he has been in the league 8 years. His numbers warranting his big contract are from two seasons in Detroit and in Portland. 54, 47, then 63 games each and those teams records were like really bad.
His avg is very close to RJ but with better efficiency.
Can we speak of his defense?
His interior game?
What doe the knicks need and want from the three with this roster?
What are his contract demands, and if a trade, what premium are we paying over RJ?
Grant comes on at age 26. I get we don’t want to wait 4 more years for RJ to hit his peak, but as NYmentality has alluded to is the kid is not god awful either. This is not “Frank” or “Knox” disfunction. We talking about a few shots per game and say one turnover. Knicks are driving an intense pace and been increasing it. Would other players coming in face similar inefficiency?
Lets say Grant is not available or knicks decide he is not a clear fit, is OG the man and at what price is it silly?
Is this the consolidated trade we need to make? OG has one more year left on his deal,, comes with a good defensive reputation and better eFG% than our incumbant. He will be 26 this summer. If he steps up his possessions does his numbers fall a bit? If thats a major selling point and we do that are we really upgrading? One can massage the numbers a lot of ways. Is it worth a try? Depends on the price.
As for Trading IQ to portland it really depends on the pick and who is projected there. Thing is if they are keeping Lillard and want to build around him quickly, is Quickly that player the best for them? I’d think Randle goes, and we take Miller and say we start Obi and let Miller earn his way in.
That might put us back a bit but……..Internal growth elsewhere matters. More on RJ for sure.
The idea is as talented as Randle ( and it will take more to snag that pick than just him), is he the guy to lead us the next 2-3 years?
IQ real value? Your talking about a kid who did shine 2/3rds of a season. Its exciting to see him blossom as he has but “Untouchable” might be strong or premature. I get we are coming to a crossroad with him and he has done well at the right time for his career. Its nice we don’t have to drool over Colin Sexton anymore!! LOL
GustavBahler wrote:TPercy wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The OP's proposal would be like winning a million dollars in the lottery. And using the winnings to buy a million lottery tickets. Bruh, that's the "André" talking lol.
If IQ is traded, it should be for a clear upgrade, not the lotto.
what you are leaving out is we already have a million dollars. IQ plays the same position as Brunson, and Brunson is young. Brandon Miller is a blue chip star prospect with a the physical profile this roster is missing.You arent trading IQ for a pick and taking the BPA. You are trading him for a clear shot to draft a star player you have extensively scouted. Nobody is looking back if the guy is the next Paul George or Kris Middleton
Still would be dumb trading a sure thing for a maybe.
That’s how you get value
The issue is that outside of wemby, nobody in this draft is worth the risk. I wouldn't even trade IQ for Henderson.
Yup, dont understand why they dont get that part. It would cost a lot more than IQ to nab the first pick.
Beyond the first pick, we would be lucky to draft a prospect and develop him into the player Quickley is now.
Yeah, it's the unknown that has so much potential and promise. Some GM's continue to chase the next shiny toy until they realize their old toys were better.
IQ and our home grown picks might be better than most draft picks in the 1st round. There's always a Frank or Knox who looks good, but turns into a flop. Trading a maybe for a sure thing seems to be the FO plan moving forward. Thats how we got JB and Hart. Trading unknowns for knowns. I can't see this FO going away from that, after the success we've had.
Sometimes the best move is no move. Sometimes the best pick is no pick. It was hard for me to understand this concept, but this FO has been on point with this approach.
The most important thing (outside of winning a Chip) is to not disrupt the foundation you built, but build on top of it. Make it stronger so it can last longer. (Thats what she said)
I kind of wish uk had a ignore feature. We're in the playoffs for just the fourth time in 20 years and we have people wanting to trade key players smfh.
Gonna trade the 6th man of the year for some unproved smuck?? I wonder about you guys.
cooch2584 wrote:Gonna trade the 6th man of the year for some unproved smuck?? I wonder about you guys.
Cuz IQ wants to start and get paid like it. The convo is for like the top 2-4 pick.
The thought is perhaps Deuce is ready for more and on the outside you have Rokas maybe coming.
All low probability.
But, as said, I doubt its IQ they want if they are keeping Dame.
The real question is how we are going to swindle a team into giving us Miller
EwingsGlass wrote:I'm more likely to focus a rebuild around IQ than trade him. He has been playing so well lately, perhaps you move other players and build around IQ.
me too, but he's either a PG (Brunson) or an undersized SG (Grimes/Hart/RJ) and we have no real SFs on the roster even. Doesnt mean we need one to win but balance can be important. I see IQ/Grimes and I see a real future backcourt.
Portland already has more than half their salary tied up in Dame and Simmons and they are going to trade for a guy at the same position a year away from a 30 million dollar contract? Cm on caseload, at least change it up to a more likely trade partner.
SergioNYK wrote:I kind of wish uk had a ignore feature. We're in the playoffs for just the fourth time in 20 years and we have people wanting to trade key players smfh.
its not that at all... IQ is a gem. Nobody in this thread has said they want him traded. Its just discussion, and its happening because he plays the same position as Brunson. Literally nobody wants him moved. The question is just what would you say yes to?
Nalod wrote:I dont' see Portland trading for IQ if Dame is on the roster.
Didn’t Dame just play 9 seasons alongside CJ McCollum?
Knixkik wrote:Caseloads wrote:smackeddog wrote:Are you really drafting someone better than IQ?
Immediately, no. Long term, possibly- amen Thompson, scoot, Brandon Miller, Hendricks likely have a higher ceiling and potential impact on the game. Iq has been incredible and exceeded all expectations. Sell high.
How do we know this is selling high on Quickley? Who says he can’t get better ?
Also who says there is a team willing to accept the trade that has a legit shot at a top 3 pick? IQ is well liked around the league but not to that extent. Most GMs would probably think Scoot or Miller have higher upside. They would ask for more assets in addition to IQ
joec32033 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Would you trade RJ and picks for a sign and trade for Jeremi Grant ? Or make a trade for DeRozan or Jimmy Butler ?
Butler and Derozan are too old. Grant isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant picks. He is probably on the same level as OG for me.
Just because the market got nuts doesn't mean they have to over pay for everything. I would rather not make a move than one that mortgages the next 5 years just to get to the 2nd round.
None of those players put the Knicks on a tier with the Bucks/Celtics. May even up the talent level with the top end talent of the Cavs a little bit. But,at least with Butler and Derozan, for how long?
Ok so you would do RJ for Grant one for one ? Butler and DD what if they give us 3 good seasons ? We would still have draft picks and free agency over the years to get another wing when their time is up
I am going to go with whatever the FO does. They have put a really good roster together. I never saw Josh Hart coming. Had you said- hey, do you want Josh Hart, I would never have thought he would have the impact he's had.
franco12 wrote:I am going to go with whatever the FO does. They have put a really good roster together. I never saw Josh Hart coming. Had you said- hey, do you want Josh Hart, I would never have thought he would have the impact he's had.
Such a valid point. I was a bit of a Reddish homer, so I have sour grapes, but man he completes that rotation better.
Nalod wrote:I dont' see Portland trading for IQ if Dame is on the roster.
Not only this but they also have A. Simmons. No need for Portland…..Besides…why the f7ck would you trade PROVEN talent for the unknown?
I believe Caseloads loves the draft more than he enjoys the Knicks
GustavBahler wrote:TPercy wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:GustavBahler wrote:The OP's proposal would be like winning a million dollars in the lottery. And using the winnings to buy a million lottery tickets. Bruh, that's the "André" talking lol.
If IQ is traded, it should be for a clear upgrade, not the lotto.
what you are leaving out is we already have a million dollars. IQ plays the same position as Brunson, and Brunson is young. Brandon Miller is a blue chip star prospect with a the physical profile this roster is missing.You arent trading IQ for a pick and taking the BPA. You are trading him for a clear shot to draft a star player you have extensively scouted. Nobody is looking back if the guy is the next Paul George or Kris Middleton
Still would be dumb trading a sure thing for a maybe.
That’s how you get value
The issue is that outside of wemby, nobody in this draft is worth the risk. I wouldn't even trade IQ for Henderson.
Yup, dont understand why they dont get that part. It would cost a lot more than IQ to nab the first pick.
Beyond the first pick, we would be lucky to draft a prospect and develop him into the player Quickley is now.
…and this
This is not a good draft class. Kind of glad the Dallas pick may get punted to next year
