He makes a good point. Another question I have is why does Mitch set screens at all anyway? We never hit him with the lob and he never sets solid screens to get the ball handler a step. What is the point? Steven Adams sets hard and mostly illegal screens that Ja uses to create havoc. Mitch's screens have sucked for years.
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He makes a good point. Another question I have is why does Mitch set screens at all anyway? We never hit him with the lob and he never sets solid screens to get the ball handler a step. What is the point? Steven Adams sets hard and mostly illegal screens that Ja uses to create havoc. Mitch's screens have sucked for years.
You see Randle and Mitch both converge, clogging up the paint. The ball movement is even worse. You see JB standing their doing nothing while Hart drives. He should be moving, creating a passing angle for Hart. Grimes can than rotate to the top of the key for a decent shot. Blame all around on that play. Mitch and Randle on the court makes things to easy for Cleveland.
One thing I really hate is you see all the player movement plays when Brunson and Randle are out but once they are playing we never touch those plays. Why is there two different playbooks? Why can't we try some of the create stuff when our stars are playing? We know they are there we just resort to sticking people in the corners and ISO or an ineffective PNR.
Clean wrote:One thing I really hate is you see all the player movement plays when Brunson and Randle are out but once they are playing we never touch those plays. Why is there two different playbooks? Why can't we try some of the create stuff when our stars are playing? We know they are there we just resort to sticking people in the corners and ISO or an ineffective PNR.
To be fair, those last games were against Indiana, Wash, NOP, Indiana, all without a lot of their best players.
And let's not forget CLE has one of the best, very best defenses in the league. They play a big part in this equation.
But those guys do need to move ball more.
GustavBahler wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:ramtour420 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Clean wrote:Next season we need actual shot making. Having our offense being based on getting offensive rebounds won't be good enough the further in the playoffs we get.
We have two starters in RJ. and Grimes, without a reliable midrange game. They might be able to get by without one in the regular season, but not in the playoffs.
Grimes is a good passer off of penetration. But he needs plays to do that
Has to be able to do that off of improvisation as well.
Grimes Achilles heel has always been 2 fold —- not fully confident and no pull-up mid-range which is remarkable for a guy with his stroke. That said he has shown skills but the offense with Barrett/Randle mostly leaves him standing without the ball all game.
RJ - there is no hope of a mid range coming —- ship has left the dock, port and country.
RJ has one off of pivot moves, but he doesnt have a floater, or a pullup jumper from midrange. We watched him go mostly to that same drive that whiffs too often.
Also too often uses a Melo-like amount of time to get his shot off, when he isnt that good. Which is why he needs a midrange, to get a shot off faster.
I don’t know where RJ’s game went to. He had a decent midrange and floater in the paint in a post allstar game run where he looked good (besides his 3pt range of course) but that seems have gone away now.
I don’t have the answer but if team cannot figure a way to utilize him he should ask for a trade as it looks bad on all at the moment. After last night its a mess.
To that, Grimes and IQ in the first two games are also out of sorts. This iso shit was awful last night. Randle looked lost when he got in certain scenarios.
Cavs punched back!!!!
Horrible at inserting stuff but just read stat off another page….
Over last 10 years there are 305 players with +90 FGA’s in the playoffs.
Ranked by eFG%
Randle is 303rd
Barrett is 304th
LOL at the web page NBA Stats - @sports_mediocre
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
Re-watching the game. Around 10:00 in the 2md Q Randle just kind of stops playing and starts with the low effort and head down moping around on both sides of the floor. While some players didn't shoot well, Randle's mopey low effort is 100% responsible for the Cavs taking over this game. He really is a head case and as good as he is, I have to question if he is a winning player.
Clean wrote:
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
The next comment down by same poster is a pretty good summary of RJ's game: "He can’t blow by anyone, he can’t shoot, has no touch around the basket, isn’t a willing playmaker most the time, and is very inconsistent defensively. Call a spade a spade."
Unfortunate for us Knicks fans. I don't know what RJ thinks he is going to accomplish going 1-on-1
martin wrote:Clean wrote:
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
The next comment down by same poster is a pretty good summary of RJ's game: "He can’t blow by anyone, he can’t shoot, has no touch around the basket, isn’t a willing playmaker most the time, and is very inconsistent defensively. Call a spade a spade."
Unfortunate for us Knicks fans. I don't know what RJ thinks he is going to accomplish going 1-on-1
its getting rough to watch. I know they have a great interior D and RJ dribbles into that shit like a moth to flame but this is tough. Thank god he's only 22 and we can watch this for another 5 years while he puts it all together
IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Watch those again.
IQ needs to wait until Mitch comes to him to set the pick. You literally can't set a pick from the distance Mitch is at while IQ is moving. It would be either a moving screen or a completely useless pick because IQ isn't doing his end correctly by waiting until the pick gets to him. He is panicking cause of the defense.
Clean wrote:
He makes a good point. Another question I have is why does Mitch set screens at all anyway? We never hit him with the lob and he never sets solid screens to get the ball handler a step. What is the point? Steven Adams sets hard and mostly illegal screens that Ja uses to create havoc. Mitch's screens have sucked for years.
Mitch sets screens to free himself. Steven Adam’s sets screens to free up ja.
Mitch will be weaving himself out of the rotation, if he can’t set picks and we don’t utilize him on offense. He’s still a solid player but not sure if he fits thibs offensive style. Hart is a better offensive minded center who’s becoming a good run protector. This will make Mitch expendable for the right trade.
Rookie wrote:Re-watching the game. Around 10:00 in the 2md Q Randle just kind of stops playing and starts with the low effort and head down moping around on both sides of the floor. While some players didn't shoot well, Randle's mopey low effort is 100% responsible for the Cavs taking over this game. He really is a head case and as good as he is, I have to question if he is a winning player.
Same thing I said about thibs. Randle has always been like that. As soon as I bring it up, the fan boys say I’m a Randle hater 🤣. But the facts are the facts. If you are the leader on the team, self control, negative body language, all of that plays a part. Then what happens when the basketball part of his game fails? It can be a disaster.
But don’t worry, Randle will do a complete 180, and Thibs will adjust, and all of this will be forgotten by most knick fans. Until it happens again. The problem is there are no alternatives for thibs or Randle. So we have to live with their pros and cons. More pressure of Johnny Bryant and the whisper support team to keep Randles head leveled.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Watch those again.
IQ needs to wait until Mitch comes to him to set the pick. You literally can't set a pick from the distance Mitch is at while IQ is moving. It would be either a moving screen or a completely useless pick because IQ isn't doing his end correctly by waiting until the pick gets to him. He is panicking cause of the defense.
Let me be specific about what happened here I was looking for a package on my camera while typing but it was not for me. I am not talking about 2 first two. Those were them trying to setup what they actually wanted to do. The 3rd one was actually a DHO but they serve the same purpose as a pick. That is why it seems like the spacing is a little off. After the pass back Mitch should be making the defender have to go around him to slow him down.
If you have to do a moving pick then do it. Every team does them. Why can't we? The warriors got championships with theirs. Steven Adams does a million of them every game. You will get called every now and then but you live with that. The refs will not call all of them because it will make games take forever. Since Quicks defender did not lose a step having to navigate around Mitch all that happened is quick got doubled. Quick never got the chance to attack Allen in space. So what was the point of it? What did we gain from doing that DHO? To waste shot clock?
Everything action should be done for a reason. If Picks and DHO's are not getting you an opportunity to breakdown the defense you are doing something wrong.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Watch those again.
IQ needs to wait until Mitch comes to him to set the pick. You literally can't set a pick from the distance Mitch is at while IQ is moving. It would be either a moving screen or a completely useless pick because IQ isn't doing his end correctly by waiting until the pick gets to him. He is panicking cause of the defense.
Let me be specific about what happened here I was looking for a package on my camera while typing but it was not for me. I am not talking about 2 first two. Those were them trying to setup what they actually wanted to do. The 3rd one was actually a DHO but they serve the same purpose as a pick. That is why it seems like the spacing is a little off. After the pass back Mitch should be making the defender have to go around him to slow him down.
If you have to do a moving pick then do it. Every team does them. Why can't we? The warriors got championships with theirs. Steven Adams does a million of them every game. You will get called every now and then but you live with that. The refs will not call all of them because it will make games take forever. Since Quicks defender did not lose a step having to navigate around Mitch all that happened is quick got doubled. Quick never got the chance to attack Allen in space. So what was the point of it? What did we gain from doing that DHO? To waste shot clock?
Everything action should be done for a reason. If Picks and DHO's are not getting you an opportunity to breakdown the defense you are doing something wrong.
Mitch has never set bone crunching of even mediocre screens and his timing and spacing in the p-n-r is dubious. He is an elite rim protector and dunker.....nothing has changed in 4 years except that he has gotten stronger
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Watch those again.
IQ needs to wait until Mitch comes to him to set the pick. You literally can't set a pick from the distance Mitch is at while IQ is moving. It would be either a moving screen or a completely useless pick because IQ isn't doing his end correctly by waiting until the pick gets to him. He is panicking cause of the defense.
Let me be specific about what happened here I was looking for a package on my camera while typing but it was not for me. I am not talking about 2 first two. Those were them trying to setup what they actually wanted to do. The 3rd one was actually a DHO but they serve the same purpose as a pick. That is why it seems like the spacing is a little off. After the pass back Mitch should be making the defender have to go around him to slow him down.
If you have to do a moving pick then do it. Every team does them. Why can't we? The warriors got championships with theirs. Steven Adams does a million of them every game. You will get called every now and then but you live with that. The refs will not call all of them because it will make games take forever. Since Quicks defender did not lose a step having to navigate around Mitch all that happened is quick got doubled. Quick never got the chance to attack Allen in space. So what was the point of it? What did we gain from doing that DHO? To waste shot clock?
Everything action should be done for a reason. If Picks and DHO's are not getting you an opportunity to breakdown the defense you are doing something wrong.
iHart already had 2 fouls in the first and Mitch had 1 early too and you OK with Mitch just getting another foul to end Q1?
IDK, I think IQ kinda fucked up that sequence and Mitch is more a bystander.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Watch those again.
IQ needs to wait until Mitch comes to him to set the pick. You literally can't set a pick from the distance Mitch is at while IQ is moving. It would be either a moving screen or a completely useless pick because IQ isn't doing his end correctly by waiting until the pick gets to him. He is panicking cause of the defense.
Let me be specific about what happened here I was looking for a package on my camera while typing but it was not for me. I am not talking about 2 first two. Those were them trying to setup what they actually wanted to do. The 3rd one was actually a DHO but they serve the same purpose as a pick. That is why it seems like the spacing is a little off. After the pass back Mitch should be making the defender have to go around him to slow him down.
If you have to do a moving pick then do it. Every team does them. Why can't we? The warriors got championships with theirs. Steven Adams does a million of them every game. You will get called every now and then but you live with that. The refs will not call all of them because it will make games take forever. Since Quicks defender did not lose a step having to navigate around Mitch all that happened is quick got doubled. Quick never got the chance to attack Allen in space. So what was the point of it? What did we gain from doing that DHO? To waste shot clock?
Everything action should be done for a reason. If Picks and DHO's are not getting you an opportunity to breakdown the defense you are doing something wrong.
iHart already had 2 fouls in the first and Mitch had 1 early too and you OK with Mitch just getting another foul to end Q1?
IDK, I think IQ kinda fucked up that sequence and Mitch is more a bystander.
That is fine we don't have to agree. We just have a difference of opinion. I just don't see how we will beat the hard hedge and doubles the guards are seeing without at least setting hard screens. I will trust that Thibs will make the right adjustments.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:IQ, welcome to playoff basketball. Time to wake the f up
Notice another one of those trash Mitch picks. They are useless. Actually they are worse than useless. They bring Mitches defender to double the ball handler.
Watch those again.
IQ needs to wait until Mitch comes to him to set the pick. You literally can't set a pick from the distance Mitch is at while IQ is moving. It would be either a moving screen or a completely useless pick because IQ isn't doing his end correctly by waiting until the pick gets to him. He is panicking cause of the defense.
Let me be specific about what happened here I was looking for a package on my camera while typing but it was not for me. I am not talking about 2 first two. Those were them trying to setup what they actually wanted to do. The 3rd one was actually a DHO but they serve the same purpose as a pick. That is why it seems like the spacing is a little off. After the pass back Mitch should be making the defender have to go around him to slow him down.
If you have to do a moving pick then do it. Every team does them. Why can't we? The warriors got championships with theirs. Steven Adams does a million of them every game. You will get called every now and then but you live with that. The refs will not call all of them because it will make games take forever. Since Quicks defender did not lose a step having to navigate around Mitch all that happened is quick got doubled. Quick never got the chance to attack Allen in space. So what was the point of it? What did we gain from doing that DHO? To waste shot clock?
Everything action should be done for a reason. If Picks and DHO's are not getting you an opportunity to breakdown the defense you are doing something wrong.
iHart already had 2 fouls in the first and Mitch had 1 early too and you OK with Mitch just getting another foul to end Q1?
IDK, I think IQ kinda fucked up that sequence and Mitch is more a bystander.
That is fine we don't have to agree. We just have a difference of opinion. I just don't see how we will beat the hard hedge and doubles the guards are seeing without at least setting hard screens. I will trust that Thibs will make the right adjustments.
Don't get me wrong, Knicks players need to set better screens in general to get guys like IQ and Brunson free, just don't think the above is a good example of anything besides IQ learning what it means to play against really good defense. Mitch too for that matter.
IMO Brunson played well in game 1 and so did Josh. Those are the only 2 guys that have played with poise, the rest have shown their inexperience.
Sims sets up pretty good screens
