Knicks · [Game Thread 4/18/23] Game 2 at Cavs 7:30PM, TNT & MSG (page 14)

Swishfm3 @ 4/19/2023 1:34 PM
Sims sets up pretty good screens
martin @ 4/19/2023 6:32 PM
RJ down to only really hitting layups

ramtour420 @ 4/19/2023 6:46 PM
Rookie wrote:Re-watching the game. Around 10:00 in the 2md Q Randle just kind of stops playing and starts with the low effort and head down moping around on both sides of the floor. While some players didn't shoot well, Randle's mopey low effort is 100% responsible for the Cavs taking over this game. He really is a head case and as good as he is, I have to question if he is a winning player.

He is not. We aren't winning big with him.

ramtour420 @ 4/19/2023 6:54 PM
It all comes down to having counters. Our PnR is always to free up the ball handler. Notice how we never ever under any circumstances pass the ball to the big. This makes our PnR easy as candy from the baby to defend. No option B, no alternative, no counters
Panos @ 4/19/2023 10:03 PM
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
The next comment down by same poster is a pretty good summary of RJ's game: 'He cant blow by anyone, he can;t shoot, has no touch around the basket, isnt a willing playmaker most the time, and is very inconsistent defensively. Call a spade a spade."

Unfortunate for us Knicks fans. I don't know what RJ thinks he is going to accomplish going 1-on-1

its getting rough to watch. I know they have a great interior D and RJ dribbles into that shit like a moth to flame but this is tough. Thank god he's only 22 and we can watch this for another 5 years while he puts it all together

I see RJ do this at least one pet game. Where he's at the 3pt line and takes like 10 steps BACKWARDS. What in the holy hell do we call that play? He's the only one in the NBA that needs to go from the 3pt line to half way back to half court to get his momentum (being generous with that word) on an ISO play. Yes, it's embarrassing

LivingLegend @ 4/19/2023 11:11 PM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
The next comment down by same poster is a pretty good summary of RJ's game: 'He cant blow by anyone, he can;t shoot, has no touch around the basket, isnt a willing playmaker most the time, and is very inconsistent defensively. Call a spade a spade."

Unfortunate for us Knicks fans. I don't know what RJ thinks he is going to accomplish going 1-on-1

its getting rough to watch. I know they have a great interior D and RJ dribbles into that shit like a moth to flame but this is tough. Thank god he's only 22 and we can watch this for another 5 years while he puts it all together

I see RJ do this at least one pet game. Where he's at the 3pt line and takes like 10 steps BACKWARDS. What in the holy hell do we call that play? He's the only one in the NBA that needs to go from the 3pt line to half way back to half court to get his momentum (being generous with that word) on an ISO play. Yes, it's embarrassing

Watch our other 3 perimeter players (specifically Randle) as this abomination is going on.

I think Julius reaction speaks for many of us watching. LOL

LivingLegend @ 4/19/2023 11:16 PM
And poor I Hart having to set and reset screens over and over again knowing no pass coming and likely brick about to clank off the rim.

I Hart running around silly because this kid thinks he’s mamba.

Could you imagine if it was Randle’s job to keep setting those screens- we’d have Mutiny on the Bounty

LivingLegend @ 4/19/2023 11:17 PM
martin wrote:RJ down to only really hitting layups

I mean you look at the 4-13 and think well it’s not totally horrible but your chart is the hidden issue —- most all his makes are right at the rim. Maybe we need to put him on Mitch shot diet.

LivingLegend @ 4/19/2023 11:19 PM
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
The next comment down by same poster is a pretty good summary of RJ's game: 'He cant blow by anyone, he can;t shoot, has no touch around the basket, isnt a willing playmaker most the time, and is very inconsistent defensively. Call a spade a spade."

Unfortunate for us Knicks fans. I don't know what RJ thinks he is going to accomplish going 1-on-1

its getting rough to watch. I know they have a great interior D and RJ dribbles into that shit like a moth to flame but this is tough. Thank god he's only 22 and we can watch this for another 5 years while he puts it all together

I see RJ do this at least one pet game. Where he's at the 3pt line and takes like 10 steps BACKWARDS. What in the holy hell do we call that play? He's the only one in the NBA that needs to go from the 3pt line to half way back to half court to get his momentum (being generous with that word) on an ISO play. Yes, it's embarrassing

You’ve got me laughing - it’s really just so sad from what I think most thought we were getting.

HofstraBBall @ 4/20/2023 2:58 AM
SergioNYK wrote:We got bitch slapped and they took our lunch money and stuffed us in a locker. No other way to describe that game.

I honestly was not expecting to win going into this game but this was probably the worst way we could have lost. Cavs are a good team and give them credit for backing up their talk. Garland was incredible and their entire team brought it defensively. Especially in that second quarter. We couldn't even set a simple pick or dribble the ball without turning it over. LeVert was a monster at both ends and they just outhustled and outplayed us.

I thought Thibs did a bad job in this game. No adjustments made and a bad decision that could have ended the series by leaving Randle in the game late down 23. I don't care if Randle says he wanted to stay in and find rhythm! We were not even sure he was going to play game one! You do not risk one of your best players with an injury with the game over! And I don't have any issues with Allen fouling Randle on that play. It's the playoffs! Awful job by Thibs!

Randle shot 8/20 which isn't terrible but the turnovers and poor defense need to improve. His defensive effort in that second quarter was inexcusable! Brunson had an off game but not worried about him. He'll bounce back.

But I'm very concerned about the rest of the team. RJ, IQ and Grimes need to wake up. They are shooting 25% from the fiend combined and 20% from three! That is not going to get it done! I hate to admit it but I've lost faith and trust in RJ. I feel the same way about him shooting the ball or with the ball in his hands as I did with Elf, Ntilikina and Jared Jeffries. I immediately get a sick feeling and want him to pass it right away. And it sucks because I did like RJ a lot and rooted for him to succeed but he shit the bed. But I still have faith and trust in IQ. He showed signs towards the end of the game. I think he'll have big games at the Garden. Not too sure about Grimes. It's his first playoffs. I'd like for him to be more aggressive like he was in those last few games in the regular season.

We got a split on the road which was the goal but we're going to need to play a lot better at the Garden and the rest of the series if we're going to win this. Cavs are a good team! I think some fans and media have disrespected them and underestimated them and severely overrated this Knicks team.
Fully expect Spida to channel Reggie Miller and strive to have his Garden villain moment. And the Cavs will get up for these games too. Thibs needs to make some major adjustments, especially offensively. Cavs are too good defensively to continue this slow it down one on one pace. And these players need to show some pride and bring it the rest of the series on a physical level. Can't get bullied like that!

We won one out of the first two away. Successful playoff teams just do that. They also win at home. So here comes the real challenge. I am happy with one win away though. My expectations were that the Knicks would win in six.

Everyone knew it was going to be a hard fought series. Don't think anyone expected a sweep.

In terms of blame. For me, despite all the hate for the usual targets, The story was 3-21 from the 3pt stripe. (JB, IQ, RJ, Obi, Grimes) Randle only one to shoot above 42% on .multiple attempts. JB had an off game. Forced it a bit and needs to read the help dedense better. Randle also had too many TOs. Cavs did what other teams have done all year, which is drop down guards on Randle as soon as he starts his dribble. Has to adjust.

Yes..our top two need to have a good game to win BUT the Bottom line is 3pt shooting and OTHER guys need to step up. If you look at past tough playoff series, the winners always had good production from their supporting players. RJ, IQ, Grimes need to help more if we are to win.
Cleveland lost the first game despite DMs good game because they had no one else step up.

Key the rest of the series is how we play at home. Which has not been our strong suit.

blkexec @ 4/20/2023 9:01 AM
What the Knicks need to do on offense is exactly what Cleveland and Donovan did. Get garland going and Donovan becomes the play maker.

We need to get IQ going and Brunson be the playmaker, until the 4 th quarter where Brunson can take over and bring us home.

If IQ has it going, the others will follow. IQ is the key to this playoff series.

fishmike @ 4/20/2023 10:43 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
Panos wrote:
fishmike wrote:
martin wrote:
Clean wrote:
These possesions should be counted as turnovers because that is essentially what they are. Also notice the whole possesion with no off ball movement agin.
The next comment down by same poster is a pretty good summary of RJ's game: 'He cant blow by anyone, he can;t shoot, has no touch around the basket, isnt a willing playmaker most the time, and is very inconsistent defensively. Call a spade a spade."

Unfortunate for us Knicks fans. I don't know what RJ thinks he is going to accomplish going 1-on-1

its getting rough to watch. I know they have a great interior D and RJ dribbles into that shit like a moth to flame but this is tough. Thank god he's only 22 and we can watch this for another 5 years while he puts it all together

I see RJ do this at least one pet game. Where he's at the 3pt line and takes like 10 steps BACKWARDS. What in the holy hell do we call that play? He's the only one in the NBA that needs to go from the 3pt line to half way back to half court to get his momentum (being generous with that word) on an ISO play. Yes, it's embarrassing

Watch our other 3 perimeter players (specifically Randle) as this abomination is going on.

I think Julius reaction speaks for many of us watching. LOL

omg that was brutal.... Jules is like so open RJ prolly thought he was a trainer. Just kidding obviously RJ was looking down to ensure he didnt dribble off his foot. Understandable
Clean @ 4/20/2023 12:43 PM

Give Grimes all of RJ's touches and lets find out.
BigDaddyG @ 4/20/2023 1:10 PM
Clean wrote:
Give Grimes all of RJ's touches and lets find out.

No! RJ still doesn't have enough bricks to build his summer home.

Clean @ 4/20/2023 1:23 PM

In general the same thing The Hawks did to us. In the Hawks case it was double Randle and he would not be quick enough or smart enough to take advantage of ths situation. That worked out well for them. Now the Cavs are doubling Brunson/ball handlers and betting no one else on the team will be quick enough or smart enough to take advantage. It worked wonderfully last game. Lets see how Thibs prepares the team this time.
GustavBahler @ 4/21/2023 10:53 AM
I hope to see Grimes trying to go coast to coast. Might have the greatest foot speed on the court, but you never see Grimes use his burst to be a one man fastbreak. As soon as he gets to halfcourt he acts like he sees a red light.
blkexec @ 4/21/2023 10:59 AM
GustavBahler wrote:I hope to see Grimes trying to go coast to coast. Might have the greatest foot speed on the court, but you never see Grimes use his burst to be a one man fastbreak. As soon as he gets to halfcourt he acts like he sees a red light.

Grimes needs to study film on josh hart. I love how he attacks the defense while they are on their heels in transition. Then pulls it back out if they collapse.

LivingLegend @ 4/21/2023 11:32 AM
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I hope to see Grimes trying to go coast to coast. Might have the greatest foot speed on the court, but you never see Grimes use his burst to be a one man fastbreak. As soon as he gets to halfcourt he acts like he sees a red light.

Grimes needs to study film on josh hart. I love how he attacks the defense while they are on their heels in transition. Then pulls it back out if they collapse.

Grimes treats the ball like a 1 second hand grenade that he’s got to get rid of asap while RJ treats the ball like his first love & he ain’t giving her up for nobody.

BigDaddyG @ 4/21/2023 11:58 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I hope to see Grimes trying to go coast to coast. Might have the greatest foot speed on the court, but you never see Grimes use his burst to be a one man fastbreak. As soon as he gets to halfcourt he acts like he sees a red light.

Grimes needs to study film on josh hart. I love how he attacks the defense while they are on their heels in transition. Then pulls it back out if they collapse.

Grimes treats the ball like a 1 second hand grenade that he’s got to get rid of asap while RJ treats the ball like his first love & he ain’t giving her up for nobody.


RJ with ball.
Nalod @ 4/21/2023 1:49 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I hope to see Grimes trying to go coast to coast. Might have the greatest foot speed on the court, but you never see Grimes use his burst to be a one man fastbreak. As soon as he gets to halfcourt he acts like he sees a red light.

Grimes needs to study film on josh hart. I love how he attacks the defense while they are on their heels in transition. Then pulls it back out if they collapse.

Grimes treats the ball like a 1 second hand grenade that he’s got to get rid of asap while RJ treats the ball like his first love & he ain’t giving her up for nobody.


RJ with ball.

Grimes seems a bit too cerebral last two. When his game when "on" is quick reactions. He shoots, or goes to the rim/passes off. Is it a confidence thing or a playoff thing? Tough to say.
RJ? I can only guess but at this point he can't feel good about things and if he hesitates, its worse.
Not like these guys are tone deaf to what coaches are asking them. It's likey about execution. The ball is not moving. Granted, pace is determined by Brunson and Randle (the head of the snake).

Fun to play spitball blame but there is so much to pace, Rhythm and our yoots with the yips. Last game was an awful look. We got blown out. Thats been a rarity this season.

martin @ 4/21/2023 6:11 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
blkexec wrote:
GustavBahler wrote:I hope to see Grimes trying to go coast to coast. Might have the greatest foot speed on the court, but you never see Grimes use his burst to be a one man fastbreak. As soon as he gets to halfcourt he acts like he sees a red light.

Grimes needs to study film on josh hart. I love how he attacks the defense while they are on their heels in transition. Then pulls it back out if they collapse.

Grimes treats the ball like a 1 second hand grenade that he’s got to get rid of asap while RJ treats the ball like his first love & he ain’t giving her up for nobody.


RJ with ball.

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