I know he says hustle play, basketball play, but there's also an element of Zaza Pachulia in that if your defense is going to attack the body you're not giving Julius the ability to safely land (same as those agressive close-outs that send Klay out for a year)
SO while i'm all for the hustle play (even if by an opponent) it seems odd that no one is addressing the larger issue. that kind of play could have resulted in (another) broken leg for Jules or a torn rotator given the way he laid out his arm to try and break the fall.
During the playoffs, each Flagrant 1 foul is worth one point, and every Flagrant 2 foul is worth two points. If a player's playoff point total exceeds three, he receives an automatic one-game suspension. Unlike technical fouls, the flagrant foul points do not reset.
Allen I believe was assessed a flagrant 1.
right, but isn't it the case that if you do a Zaza closeout you risk suspension just for that -- forget the point system. I thought some things were independent. If McHale clotheslines Rambis again only a flagrant?
One can make the case that Jarret's play was even more dangerous than Zaza's because he literally took Jules legs out. In the Zaza case there's at least the theoretical chance the shooter sees Zaza's foot adjusts his landing accordingly.
Chandler wrote:right, but isn't it the case that if you do a Zaza closeout you risk suspension just for that -- forget the point system. I thought some things were independent. If McHale clotheslines Rambis again only a flagrant?One can make the case that Jarret's play was even more dangerous than Zaza's because he literally took Jules legs out. In the Zaza case there's at least the theoretical chance the shooter sees Zaza's foot adjusts his landing accordingly.
Im not arguing your points of contention but the refs and under review from the NBA office I suppose did not see it as dangerous or deliberate or it would have been a Flagerant 2. Then I suppose it would open the door for your points for suspension based on his history and egregious action.
Draymond vs. Allen are good contrasts to look at. One was a basketball play, the other was a retaliation akin to throwing a punch. At least after the Stomp, he seemed to not put any weight on him when he stepped on and over him. Sabonis got a tech for grabbing his foot.
The issue for Allen under cutting Randle was due in part to Randle holding the rim for just a moment and his weight shifting. Not sure that really matters.
I agree it was dangerous and the league needs to look at these rules again but I did not see anything deliberate or malicious by Allen to cause a flagrant 2.
Certainly understand Jules reaction in the aftermath. It hurt and allen was aggressive.
Randle needed that dunk and Allen was not letting up. Give props to both for the intensity of the moment.
i like Allen and don't think it was deliberate or malicious but i do think it was
reckless, which i think is the same standard for close outs
NBA should definitely be considering this before someone's career gets ended
Chandler wrote:i like Allen and don't think it was deliberate or malicious but i do think it was reckless, which i think is the same standard for close outsNBA should definitely be considering this before someone's career gets ended
I know when Players grab the rim its for a good reason but if they can't swing back they on they on their backs!
The sprint to the rim with Allen on his back was little he could do but maybe pull up and let him fly by.
Randle wanted to make a statement as did Allen. That both were in the air mattered, and as said, when Randle Grabbed the rim it allowed Allen to get under him.
I'd agree it was "reckless" and likely why it was flagrant 1 than just a foul. Allen should have just let it go.
I don't personally think he should have been suspended. It was wreckless but it was a basketball play.
It's the playoffs and no layups or dunks should be allowed no matter the score. Randle and Thibs deserved it for being dumb and reckless and are lucky it wasn't worse!
