Knicks · Seriously how can we keep this team together 2024-5? Keeping Obi, IQ the whole team Let's be creative (page 2)
I mean, as flawed as Randle is (not very!) there are maybe 15 more consistent players in the whole NBA in terms of game to game impact.
You’ll be banking that his touches would be distributed around the team and allow for growth. Absolutely true. Maybe Mitch becomes more like Gobert or rebounds like vintage Deandre Jordan. Maybe Obi fulfills his all-star destiny. RJ, Quickley, and Grimes take the next steps. And maybe the player we acquire fits like a glove, even better than Randle.
Lots of maybes, lots of uncertainty. I mean maybe you give him up and the team is worse for it.
So I do agree, maybe we could use a tall, long wing that looks like Reddish, Barnes, Hunter, OG, except has the game of Josh Hart.
OG is a really nice player, fierce defender, but he doesn’t do what Hart does. It all comes down to cost.
I have a feeling that we may be getting to that Patrick Ewing “just need that final piece” phase soon as contenders, where we’re lauding additions like Chris Mills or Xavier McDaniel or Anthony Bonner. Where we feel like stars are in place but need little a little more.
As opposed to, “man I hate our best and most consistent player Randle, we need to move him pronto!”
BigDaddyG wrote:GustavBahler wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Papabear wrote:Papabear SaysI know that Obi may want to move on but I see the team if they stay together they can win a chip.How can we move money around to not go over the limit.Randle is a good player but he is to moody and thats why we need Obi because there is no telling what Randlw may do. Right now everything fits. I want to see this unit go all the way. Remember they are home grown. What do you think it will take to keep Obi and IQ ?
Does everything fit? I wouldn't worry about it unless they win a title. There's still room for improvement and the team still has needs. I'm just hoping they can get value for Obi in a deal.
The FO might decide after the playoffs, that there is more value in keeping Obi in NY. With more minutes next season.
Thibs has his favorites, the FO might have some as well.
Possibility. But I just don't see wanting Obi to stay here long-term and I wouldn't blame him. His entire career has been spent being Randle's caddie. He probably wants to spread his wings.
Aka, Frank Ntilikina type wings.
Don't see another team starting Obi at PF. Seeing you need rebounding and physicality.
Until Obi shows he can do that, he is a back up.
Do agree players think higher of themselves and want to prove more. So Obi may want to test another role on another team. Just don't see him doing more than transition and three point shooting. Something that can change if the shooting confidence needs to be reestablished on a new surrounding.
Don't see how some on here see starter style PF. Like Frank, fans are hopeful and think there is more than meets the eye.
Alpha1971 wrote:Fournier's expiring deal next season will get us value when a team seeks that expiring to shed a 18 million dollar contract or it will be used to match a contract in a bigger deal. Team is really set up well with draft capital for sustainable long term winning. I say give Hart and IQ market value and offer Obi a fair extension and watch him take it. Knicks win game 4 and went up 3-1 and Julius didn't speak to the media cause he had a bad game. Julius trade him while his value is high, or keep Randal and play Obi 20-30 minutes during the season behind Julius and RJ more.
You can have 2 players on a rookie extension. We already have Barrett.
The salary cap for 2023/24 is estimated to be 134,000,000
Knicks have 138,000,000 committed. Decline Rose's team option and be at 122,443,661.
If we resign Hart at 15M we are at 137,443661
Assuming we want to give IQ a rookie extension, and stay under the luxury tax estimated at 171,000,000
We don't have any cap holds this off season.
If we extend IQ for 25M (4 years 100M+) we can stay under the luxury tax threshold but we will be over the cap
Obi will have to wait until he is an RFA.
Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Fournier's expiring deal next season will get us value when a team seeks that expiring to shed a 18 million dollar contract or it will be used to match a contract in a bigger deal. Team is really set up well with draft capital for sustainable long term winning. I say give Hart and IQ market value and offer Obi a fair extension and watch him take it. Knicks win game 4 and went up 3-1 and Julius didn't speak to the media cause he had a bad game. Julius trade him while his value is high, or keep Randal and play Obi 20-30 minutes during the season behind Julius and RJ more.You can have 2 players on a rookie extension. We already have Barrett.
The salary cap for 2023/24 is estimated to be 134,000,000
Knicks have 138,000,000 committed. Decline Rose's team option and be at 122,443,661.If we resign Hart at 15M we are at 137,443661
Assuming we want to give IQ a rookie extension, and stay under the luxury tax estimated at 171,000,000
We don't have any cap holds this off season.
If we extend IQ for 25M (4 years 100M+) we can stay under the luxury tax threshold but we will be over the cap
Obi will have to wait until he is an RFA.
A team can't extend more then two players same offseason ? Wow that's not good for all the teams that have multiple picks every draft. But I think we keep Obi because he is the anti- Julius. Where Julius mopes Obi smiles. Need the yang to the ying
Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Fournier's expiring deal next season will get us value when a team seeks that expiring to shed a 18 million dollar contract or it will be used to match a contract in a bigger deal. Team is really set up well with draft capital for sustainable long term winning. I say give Hart and IQ market value and offer Obi a fair extension and watch him take it. Knicks win game 4 and went up 3-1 and Julius didn't speak to the media cause he had a bad game. Julius trade him while his value is high, or keep Randal and play Obi 20-30 minutes during the season behind Julius and RJ more.You can have 2 players on a rookie extension. We already have Barrett.
The salary cap for 2023/24 is estimated to be 134,000,000
Knicks have 138,000,000 committed. Decline Rose's team option and be at 122,443,661.If we resign Hart at 15M we are at 137,443661
Assuming we want to give IQ a rookie extension, and stay under the luxury tax estimated at 171,000,000
We don't have any cap holds this off season.
If we extend IQ for 25M (4 years 100M+) we can stay under the luxury tax threshold but we will be over the cap
Obi will have to wait until he is an RFA.
A team can't extend more then two players same offseason ? Wow that's not good for all the teams that have multiple picks every draft. But I think we keep Obi because he is the anti- Julius. Where Julius mopes Obi smiles. Need the yang to the ying
Rookie extension, but yeah, seems like an unnecessary rule. Why not let teams extend their rookies? Maybe I got it wrong, but I don't think so
Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Fournier's expiring deal next season will get us value when a team seeks that expiring to shed a 18 million dollar contract or it will be used to match a contract in a bigger deal. Team is really set up well with draft capital for sustainable long term winning. I say give Hart and IQ market value and offer Obi a fair extension and watch him take it. Knicks win game 4 and went up 3-1 and Julius didn't speak to the media cause he had a bad game. Julius trade him while his value is high, or keep Randal and play Obi 20-30 minutes during the season behind Julius and RJ more.You can have 2 players on a rookie extension. We already have Barrett.
The salary cap for 2023/24 is estimated to be 134,000,000
Knicks have 138,000,000 committed. Decline Rose's team option and be at 122,443,661.If we resign Hart at 15M we are at 137,443661
Assuming we want to give IQ a rookie extension, and stay under the luxury tax estimated at 171,000,000
We don't have any cap holds this off season.
If we extend IQ for 25M (4 years 100M+) we can stay under the luxury tax threshold but we will be over the cap
Obi will have to wait until he is an RFA.
A team can't extend more then two players same offseason ? Wow that's not good for all the teams that have multiple picks every draft. But I think we keep Obi because he is the anti- Julius. Where Julius mopes Obi smiles. Need the yang to the ying
Rookie extension, but yeah, seems like an unnecessary rule. Why not let teams extend their rookies? Maybe I got it wrong, but I don't think so
I think the rule you are thinking about is 2 max rookie extensions. This is obviously not the case.
martin wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Fournier's expiring deal next season will get us value when a team seeks that expiring to shed a 18 million dollar contract or it will be used to match a contract in a bigger deal. Team is really set up well with draft capital for sustainable long term winning. I say give Hart and IQ market value and offer Obi a fair extension and watch him take it. Knicks win game 4 and went up 3-1 and Julius didn't speak to the media cause he had a bad game. Julius trade him while his value is high, or keep Randal and play Obi 20-30 minutes during the season behind Julius and RJ more.You can have 2 players on a rookie extension. We already have Barrett.
The salary cap for 2023/24 is estimated to be 134,000,000
Knicks have 138,000,000 committed. Decline Rose's team option and be at 122,443,661.If we resign Hart at 15M we are at 137,443661
Assuming we want to give IQ a rookie extension, and stay under the luxury tax estimated at 171,000,000
We don't have any cap holds this off season.
If we extend IQ for 25M (4 years 100M+) we can stay under the luxury tax threshold but we will be over the cap
Obi will have to wait until he is an RFA.
A team can't extend more then two players same offseason ? Wow that's not good for all the teams that have multiple picks every draft. But I think we keep Obi because he is the anti- Julius. Where Julius mopes Obi smiles. Need the yang to the ying
Rookie extension, but yeah, seems like an unnecessary rule. Why not let teams extend their rookies? Maybe I got it wrong, but I don't think so
I think the rule you are thinking about is 2 max rookie extensions. This is obviously not the case.
I think you're right.
https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/play...
Players On Designated Rookie Extensions
July 2nd, 2022 at 10:02am CST • By Luke Adams
Since Nets star Kevin Durant made his trade request earlier this week, NBA fans have become a whole lot familiar with a specific term in the league’s Collective Bargaining Agreement: the designated rookie extension.As we explain in a glossary entry on the subject, a designated rookie extension is a five-year extension given to a player who is entering the final year of his rookie scale contract. It must be worth the maximum salary, but it’s that fifth year in particular that makes a player a “designated rookie.” A player who signs a four-year, maximum-salary rookie scale extension is not considered a designated rookie.
Here’s the full list of players currently on designated rookie extensions:
Bam Adebayo (Heat)
Devin Booker (Suns)
Luka Doncic (Mavericks)
Joel Embiid (Sixers)
De’Aaron Fox (Kings)
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Thunder)
Donovan Mitchell (Jazz)
Jamal Murray (Nuggets)
Michael Porter Jr. (Nuggets)
Ben Simmons (Nets)
Jayson Tatum (Celtics)
Karl-Anthony Towns (Timberwolves)
Andrew Wiggins (Warriors)
Trae Young (Hawks)
An NBA team is permitted to carry up to two players on designated rookie extensions, as the Nuggets are with Murray and Porter. However, a team cannot carry two designated rookies if both of those players were acquired via trade.Because the Nets acquired Simmons from the Sixers in this year’s James Harden blockbuster, that means they’re not allowed to trade for a second player on a designated rookie extension unless they move Simmons beforehand (or in the same deal). The same rule would apply to the Warriors with Wiggins, but it’s obviously far more relevant these days for the Nets, who are said to be seeking at least one young star in a package for Durant.
Many of the players on the above list aren’t going anywhere — it’s not as if the Mavericks are going to consider trading Doncic. But with a player like Durant on the trade block, few NBA stars are untouchable, and teams will have to take the designated rookie rule into account when they consider offers for the former MVP.
For instance, the Suns and Heat, who have been mentioned as Durant’s preferred landing spots, wouldn’t be able to trade Booker or Adebayo for him (not that Phoenix would be willing to include Booker anyway).
Grizzlies guard Ja Morant, Cavaliers guard Darius Garland, and Pelicans forward Zion Williamson are expected to be added to the above list soon. Morant agreed to a five-year, maximum-salary extension with Memphis, Garland did the same with Cleveland, and Williamson will sign one with New Orleans.
The designated rookie rule says that a team can’t carry two players acquired via trade if those players have signed designated rookie extensions that apply to a “current or future” cap year, so even though the extensions for Morant, Garland, and Williamson won’t take effect until 2023/24, the rule would apply to them as soon as they officially sign.
Only a player who signs a rookie scale extension can become a designated rookie. The rule doesn’t apply to players who reach free agency, even if they sign a five-year, maximum-salary contract at that time.
Pelicans forward Brandon Ingram, for example, isn’t considered a designated rookie since he signed his five-year max contract after becoming a free agent. Deandre Ayton also can’t be a designated rookie now that he has reached free agency. Either player could hypothetically be sent to Brooklyn in a Durant trade.
Players who signed four-year, maximum-salary rookie scale extensions also aren’t considered designated rookies, as noted above. That means Raptors forward Pascal Siakam could also theoretically be traded to Brooklyn without Simmons having to move.
Again, teams can carry two designated rookies if just one was acquired via trade. For instance, the Heat wouldn’t be prohibited from making a deal for Mitchell, since their current designated rookie (Adebayo) has spent his entire career in Miami.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Rookie wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:Fournier's expiring deal next season will get us value when a team seeks that expiring to shed a 18 million dollar contract or it will be used to match a contract in a bigger deal. Team is really set up well with draft capital for sustainable long term winning. I say give Hart and IQ market value and offer Obi a fair extension and watch him take it. Knicks win game 4 and went up 3-1 and Julius didn't speak to the media cause he had a bad game. Julius trade him while his value is high, or keep Randal and play Obi 20-30 minutes during the season behind Julius and RJ more.You can have 2 players on a rookie extension. We already have Barrett.
The salary cap for 2023/24 is estimated to be 134,000,000
Knicks have 138,000,000 committed. Decline Rose's team option and be at 122,443,661.If we resign Hart at 15M we are at 137,443661
Assuming we want to give IQ a rookie extension, and stay under the luxury tax estimated at 171,000,000
We don't have any cap holds this off season.
If we extend IQ for 25M (4 years 100M+) we can stay under the luxury tax threshold but we will be over the cap
Obi will have to wait until he is an RFA.
A team can't extend more then two players same offseason ? Wow that's not good for all the teams that have multiple picks every draft. But I think we keep Obi because he is the anti- Julius. Where Julius mopes Obi smiles. Need the yang to the ying
Rookie extension, but yeah, seems like an unnecessary rule. Why not let teams extend their rookies? Maybe I got it wrong, but I don't think so
I think the rule you are thinking about is 2 max rookie extensions. This is obviously not the case.
I think you're right.https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/play...
Players On Designated Rookie Extensions
July 2nd, 2022 at 10:02am CST • By Luke Adams
Since Nets star Kevin Durant made his trade request earlier this week, NBA fans have become a whole lot familiar with a specific term in the league’s Collective Bargaining Agreement: the designated rookie extension.As we explain in a glossary entry on the subject, a designated rookie extension is a five-year extension given to a player who is entering the final year of his rookie scale contract. It must be worth the maximum salary, but it’s that fifth year in particular that makes a player a “designated rookie.” A player who signs a four-year, maximum-salary rookie scale extension is not considered a designated rookie.
Here’s the full list of players currently on designated rookie extensions:
Bam Adebayo (Heat)
Devin Booker (Suns)
Luka Doncic (Mavericks)
Joel Embiid (Sixers)
De’Aaron Fox (Kings)
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (Thunder)
Donovan Mitchell (Jazz)
Jamal Murray (Nuggets)
Michael Porter Jr. (Nuggets)
Ben Simmons (Nets)
Jayson Tatum (Celtics)
Karl-Anthony Towns (Timberwolves)
Andrew Wiggins (Warriors)
Trae Young (Hawks)
An NBA team is permitted to carry up to two players on designated rookie extensions, as the Nuggets are with Murray and Porter. However, a team cannot carry two designated rookies if both of those players were acquired via trade.Because the Nets acquired Simmons from the Sixers in this year’s James Harden blockbuster, that means they’re not allowed to trade for a second player on a designated rookie extension unless they move Simmons beforehand (or in the same deal). The same rule would apply to the Warriors with Wiggins, but it’s obviously far more relevant these days for the Nets, who are said to be seeking at least one young star in a package for Durant.
Many of the players on the above list aren’t going anywhere — it’s not as if the Mavericks are going to consider trading Doncic. But with a player like Durant on the trade block, few NBA stars are untouchable, and teams will have to take the designated rookie rule into account when they consider offers for the former MVP.
For instance, the Suns and Heat, who have been mentioned as Durant’s preferred landing spots, wouldn’t be able to trade Booker or Adebayo for him (not that Phoenix would be willing to include Booker anyway).
Grizzlies guard Ja Morant, Cavaliers guard Darius Garland, and Pelicans forward Zion Williamson are expected to be added to the above list soon. Morant agreed to a five-year, maximum-salary extension with Memphis, Garland did the same with Cleveland, and Williamson will sign one with New Orleans.
The designated rookie rule says that a team can’t carry two players acquired via trade if those players have signed designated rookie extensions that apply to a “current or future” cap year, so even though the extensions for Morant, Garland, and Williamson won’t take effect until 2023/24, the rule would apply to them as soon as they officially sign.
Only a player who signs a rookie scale extension can become a designated rookie. The rule doesn’t apply to players who reach free agency, even if they sign a five-year, maximum-salary contract at that time.
Pelicans forward Brandon Ingram, for example, isn’t considered a designated rookie since he signed his five-year max contract after becoming a free agent. Deandre Ayton also can’t be a designated rookie now that he has reached free agency. Either player could hypothetically be sent to Brooklyn in a Durant trade.
Players who signed four-year, maximum-salary rookie scale extensions also aren’t considered designated rookies, as noted above. That means Raptors forward Pascal Siakam could also theoretically be traded to Brooklyn without Simmons having to move.
Again, teams can carry two designated rookies if just one was acquired via trade. For instance, the Heat wouldn’t be prohibited from making a deal for Mitchell, since their current designated rookie (Adebayo) has spent his entire career in Miami.
Ah, ok. So Barrett is not a max rookie extension. Thanks for the clarity
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Everyone is getting better and had skills teams need. Our guys haven’t hit their stride. Stay young improve.
MS wrote:You pay everyone and worry later.Everyone is getting better and had skills teams need. Our guys haven’t hit their stride. Stay young improve.
We have versatility and diverse skill sets. Keep what we have. You can add more talent with MLE, vet min, guys ( Watanabe, Alec Burks ) and trade for other talent with our draft capital and Evans contract next trade deadline. Send RJ and Hart to 3 pt shooting school, use Evan as the shooting coach. Send Mitch to free throw camp and next year we will be even better. Knicks are here.