Knicks · [Game Thread 5/6/23] 2nd Round Game 3 at Heat 3:30PM ABC (page 14)
GustavBahler wrote:LivingLegend wrote:Out coached, out played, out starred and out classed all in 1 game —- pretty disgusting how easily Heat are carving us up offensively as we run a round seemingly with no idea.Mitch - were u at? JuJu were u at? Thibs where u at?
RJ -32 +/- in 27 mins - what?
Julius walking around - not even in a defensive stance most of the game but never acknowledged.
Agree with your take. I thought RJ was aggressive, just not very efficient. There was one point in the second half where Randle got hit in the face under the rim. Both teams sprinting down the court. Randle is walking back. I'm waiting for him to appear from the right of the screen. Eventually he pops up, still walking.
I wrote earlier in the season about comparing players to Knick greats with few playoff wins under their belt. This applies to Randle more than anyone. He was laughing on the floor during that scrum. I doubt Thibs was happy about that. Not sure why he got so many minutes. Obi wasnt any better, but at least his head was in the game.
Brunson is one tough player, but I'd rather see him do a better job of trying to get his teammates going, instead of all the one on five. Recognize when that tactic isnt producing results.
Thibs still playing a tight rotation, and they're paying for it.
We watched him all year. He hustles and plays hard. Despite second ankle sprain.
But you talking walking? Peddle some other Randle scapegoatism.
Team shot 20% on 40 threes.
Big three shot 16 for 51.
Randle sucked.
RJ sucked.
JB was not good.
Obi as usual was a non factor and was abused on defense when in there. As was the rest of the team.
Total team dud and loss.
Hopefully they take the next one and get back home court.
ccch wrote:Been a fan since early 70's but this is the first time I shut the tv off.
You made it through the Eddy Curry/Zach Randolph years without doing that? Hats off, sir!
martin wrote:Clean wrote:My next question is was Thibs really good vs the Cavs or was it because the Cavs coach is that bad. We are doing the same things that we did from the Cavs but Spo has already countered it and we have nothing left.Do the players have anything to do with the outcome of games?
Seems like it’s more just a chess match between coaches for you? coach just move players around board better and voila, team should win?
The playoffs are a constant arms race. The Cavs adjusted and then we adjusted to them by changing who set the picks. The Cavs could never figure out how to stop that. Well Spo figured that out game one. We have not had any adjustments since then. If I am missing something you can maybe point me to the adjustments Thibs has made after his first moves were countered. Just like teams look better than they are during the season when they hit a streak of below average teams. The same could have happened with our coach. If the Cavs coach had figured out how to counter having Hart and RJ giving the screens would Thibs have been able to counter that move? He has not yet this seires.
markvmc wrote:ccch wrote:Been a fan since early 70's but this is the first time I shut the tv off.You made it through the Eddy Curry/Zach Randolph years without doing that? Hats off, sir!
The danger now is management getting complacent about a 47 win season and second round exit. Knicks need to get creative to find a way to extend Hart while staying far enough under the cap to be an option if a superstar becomes available again next couple of years
If they're serious about winning at some point, then what you say (or something similar) is what should be done. But I don't know...
Philc1 wrote:markvmc wrote:ccch wrote:Been a fan since early 70's but this is the first time I shut the tv off.You made it through the Eddy Curry/Zach Randolph years without doing that? Hats off, sir!
The danger now is management getting complacent about a 47 win season and second round exit. Knicks need to get creative to find a way to extend Hart while staying far enough under the cap to be an option if a superstar becomes available again next couple of years
The Knicks and the rest of 85+% of teams are not going to get under the cap to sign an UFA superstar but they will be aligned to trade for one.
And what is this worry about getting complacent? Seems made up
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:My next question is was Thibs really good vs the Cavs or was it because the Cavs coach is that bad. We are doing the same things that we did from the Cavs but Spo has already countered it and we have nothing left.Do the players have anything to do with the outcome of games?
Seems like it’s more just a chess match between coaches for you? coach just move players around board better and voila, team should win?
The playoffs are a constant arms race. The Cavs adjusted and then we adjusted to them by changing who set the picks. The Cavs could never figure out how to stop that. Well Spo figured that out game one. We have not had any adjustments since then. If I am missing something you can maybe point me to the adjustments Thibs has made after his first moves were countered. Just like teams look better than they are during the season when they hit a streak of below average teams. The same could have happened with our coach. If the Cavs coach had figured out how to counter having Hart and RJ giving the screens would Thibs have been able to counter that move? He has not yet this seires.
The guys need to make shots. That’s the adjustment.
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:My next question is was Thibs really good vs the Cavs or was it because the Cavs coach is that bad. We are doing the same things that we did from the Cavs but Spo has already countered it and we have nothing left.Do the players have anything to do with the outcome of games?
Seems like it’s more just a chess match between coaches for you? coach just move players around board better and voila, team should win?
The playoffs are a constant arms race. The Cavs adjusted and then we adjusted to them by changing who set the picks. The Cavs could never figure out how to stop that. Well Spo figured that out game one. We have not had any adjustments since then. If I am missing something you can maybe point me to the adjustments Thibs has made after his first moves were countered. Just like teams look better than they are during the season when they hit a streak of below average teams. The same could have happened with our coach. If the Cavs coach had figured out how to counter having Hart and RJ giving the screens would Thibs have been able to counter that move? He has not yet this seires.
The guys need to make shots. That’s the adjustment.
Great. How did the coach help the players do that? Did he run plays to help them get easy shots? Did he make off ball movement to confuse or distract the defense? Constantly running Randle, Brunsons ISOs and hoping that players who barely touch the ball otherwise is in rhythm to make a shot is not a good offense. Like I said earlier the blame goes around but Thibs is not blameless with his uninspiring offense. I am still waiting for those creative offenive plays that only come out when both stars are injured.
This whole playoffs has turned into the trash ISO offense we run at the end of games. The same offense that made us one of the worst offenses in the league in the 4th. I am sorry ISO's with RJ and Randle will never be efficient over a large sample size. You guys can get blinded by their streaks of efficient play if you want. I am still waiting for plays that are called to get Grimes going for example. If you call them and he misses is one thing. To never even call them to give him a chance is on the coach. We saw something similar in the regular season. When McBride and Grimes become more ingrained in the offense and get more shots they shoot better. I wish they were able to just live off what pass off a double Randle gives them but it was obvious over the season that is not how they work. The times where grimes really broke out was when he was a part of the offense and not just a stand and wait for the pass the whole game guy. It is cool if you don't agree but it is something I talked about the whole season. Now instead of it happening only lake in the game it is the whole game.
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markvmc wrote:ccch wrote:Been a fan since early 70's but this is the first time I shut the tv off.You made it through the Eddy Curry/Zach Randolph years without doing that? Hats off, sir!
That's simple - he didn't the TV on.
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Where are these types of plays? This is literally all I am asking for.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:My next question is was Thibs really good vs the Cavs or was it because the Cavs coach is that bad. We are doing the same things that we did from the Cavs but Spo has already countered it and we have nothing left.Do the players have anything to do with the outcome of games?
Seems like it’s more just a chess match between coaches for you? coach just move players around board better and voila, team should win?
The playoffs are a constant arms race. The Cavs adjusted and then we adjusted to them by changing who set the picks. The Cavs could never figure out how to stop that. Well Spo figured that out game one. We have not had any adjustments since then. If I am missing something you can maybe point me to the adjustments Thibs has made after his first moves were countered. Just like teams look better than they are during the season when they hit a streak of below average teams. The same could have happened with our coach. If the Cavs coach had figured out how to counter having Hart and RJ giving the screens would Thibs have been able to counter that move? He has not yet this seires.
The guys need to make shots. That’s the adjustment.
Great. How did the coach help the players do that? Did he run plays to help them get easy shots? Did he make off ball movement to confuse or distract the defense? Constantly running Randle, Brunsons ISOs and hoping that players who barely touch the ball otherwise is in rhythm to make a shot is not a good offense. Like I said earlier the blame goes around but Thibs is not blameless with his uninspiring offense. I am still waiting for those creative offenive plays that only come out when both stars are injured.
This whole playoffs has turned into the trash ISO offense we run at the end of games. The same offense that made us one of the worst offenses in the league in the 4th. I am sorry ISO's with RJ and Randle will never be efficient over a large sample size. You guys can get blinded by their streaks of efficient play if you want. I am still waiting for plays that are called to get Grimes going for example. If you call them and he misses is one thing. To never even call them to give him a chance is on the coach. We saw something similar in the regular season. When McBride and Grimes become more ingrained in the offense and get more shots they shoot better. I wish they were able to just live off what pass off a double Randle gives them but it was obvious over the season that is not how they work. The times where grimes really broke out was when he was a part of the offense and not just a stand and wait for the pass the whole game guy. It is cool if you don't agree but it is something I talked about the whole season. Now instead of it happening only lake in the game it is the whole game.
You keep thinking and framing this as a chess match between coaches where the player really have limited impact on games outside of their defined role, that’s why I keep bringing up chess cause it exactly as you are describe: if the coach only made this move the Knicks would do better.
They are getting enough wide open shots, they are not making them. It’s pretty simple.
And the whole RJ Randle ISO thing? It’s called low IQ players, happened all season on and off but when you go up against good D, you don’t really get away with it; ongoing struggle for last 3 years and the players are reverting.
How dumb does RJ have to be to think he can post Jimmy fucking Butler, right? That is definitely not in the playbook and yet there you have Butler throwing it back in his face on national TV as if RJ never read a scouting report before and didn’t get told a million times before. Or did you think this is what the coaching staff wants? I can’t tell
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Pattern emerging
martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:My next question is was Thibs really good vs the Cavs or was it because the Cavs coach is that bad. We are doing the same things that we did from the Cavs but Spo has already countered it and we have nothing left.Do the players have anything to do with the outcome of games?
Seems like it’s more just a chess match between coaches for you? coach just move players around board better and voila, team should win?
The playoffs are a constant arms race. The Cavs adjusted and then we adjusted to them by changing who set the picks. The Cavs could never figure out how to stop that. Well Spo figured that out game one. We have not had any adjustments since then. If I am missing something you can maybe point me to the adjustments Thibs has made after his first moves were countered. Just like teams look better than they are during the season when they hit a streak of below average teams. The same could have happened with our coach. If the Cavs coach had figured out how to counter having Hart and RJ giving the screens would Thibs have been able to counter that move? He has not yet this seires.
The guys need to make shots. That’s the adjustment.
Great. How did the coach help the players do that? Did he run plays to help them get easy shots? Did he make off ball movement to confuse or distract the defense? Constantly running Randle, Brunsons ISOs and hoping that players who barely touch the ball otherwise is in rhythm to make a shot is not a good offense. Like I said earlier the blame goes around but Thibs is not blameless with his uninspiring offense. I am still waiting for those creative offenive plays that only come out when both stars are injured.
This whole playoffs has turned into the trash ISO offense we run at the end of games. The same offense that made us one of the worst offenses in the league in the 4th. I am sorry ISO's with RJ and Randle will never be efficient over a large sample size. You guys can get blinded by their streaks of efficient play if you want. I am still waiting for plays that are called to get Grimes going for example. If you call them and he misses is one thing. To never even call them to give him a chance is on the coach. We saw something similar in the regular season. When McBride and Grimes become more ingrained in the offense and get more shots they shoot better. I wish they were able to just live off what pass off a double Randle gives them but it was obvious over the season that is not how they work. The times where grimes really broke out was when he was a part of the offense and not just a stand and wait for the pass the whole game guy. It is cool if you don't agree but it is something I talked about the whole season. Now instead of it happening only lake in the game it is the whole game.
You keep thinking and framing this as a chess match between coaches where the player really have limited impact on games outside of their defined role, that’s why I keep bringing up chess cause it exactly as you are describe: if the coach only made this move the Knicks would do better.
They are getting enough wide open shots, they are not making them. It’s pretty simple.
And the whole RJ Randle ISO thing? It’s called low IQ players, happened all season on and off but when you go up against good D, you don’t really get away with it; ongoing struggle for last 3 years and the players are reverting.
How dumb does RJ have to be to think he can post Jimmy fucking Butler, right? That is definitely not in the playbook and yet there you have Butler throwing it back in his face on national TV as if RJ never read a scouting report before and didn’t get told a million times before. Or did you think this is what the coaching staff wants? I can’t tell
Knicks are having a tough time scoring in the paint. Spo adjusted and it's over for the knicks
Caseloads wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:umartin wrote:Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:My next question is was Thibs really good vs the Cavs or was it because the Cavs coach is that bad. We are doing the same things that we did from the Cavs but Spo has already countered it and we have nothing left.Do the players have anything to do with the outcome of games?
Seems like it’s more just a chess match between coaches for you? coach just move players around board better and voila, team should win?
The playoffs are a constant arms race. The Cavs adjusted and then we adjusted to them by changing who set the picks. The Cavs could never figure out how to stop that. Well Spo figured that out game one. We have not had any adjustments since then. If I am missing something you can maybe point me to the adjustments Thibs has made after his first moves were countered. Just like teams look better than they are during the season when they hit a streak of below average teams. The same could have happened with our coach. If the Cavs coach had figured out how to counter having Hart and RJ giving the screens would Thibs have been able to counter that move? He has not yet this seires.
The guys need to make shots. That’s the adjustment.
Great. How did the coach help the players do that? Did he run plays to help them get easy shots? Did he make off ball movement to confuse or distract the defense? Constantly running Randle, Brunsons ISOs and hoping that players who barely touch the ball otherwise is in rhythm to make a shot is not a good offense. Like I said earlier the blame goes around but Thibs is not blameless with his uninspiring offense. I am still waiting for those creative offenive plays that only come out when both stars are injured.
This whole playoffs has turned into the trash ISO offense we run at the end of games. The same offense that made us one of the worst offenses in the league in the 4th. I am sorry ISO's with RJ and Randle will never be efficient over a large sample size. You guys can get blinded by their streaks of efficient play if you want. I am still waiting for plays that are called to get Grimes going for example. If you call them and he misses is one thing. To never even call them to give him a chance is on the coach. We saw something similar in the regular season. When McBride and Grimes become more ingrained in the offense and get more shots they shoot better. I wish they were able to just live off what pass off a double Randle gives them but it was obvious over the season that is not how they work. The times where grimes really broke out was when he was a part of the offense and not just a stand and wait for the pass the whole game guy. It is cool if you don't agree but it is something I talked about the whole season. Now instead of it happening only lake in the game it is the whole game.
You keep thinking and framing this as a chess match between coaches where the player really have limited impact on games outside of their defined role, that’s why I keep bringing up chess cause it exactly as you are describe: if the coach only made this move the Knicks would do better.
They are getting enough wide open shots, they are not making them. It’s pretty simple.
And the whole RJ Randle ISO thing? It’s called low IQ players, happened all season on and off but when you go up against good D, you don’t really get away with it; ongoing struggle for last 3 years and the players are reverting.
How dumb does RJ have to be to think he can post Jimmy fucking Butler, right? That is definitely not in the playbook and yet there you have Butler throwing it back in his face on national TV as if RJ never read a scouting report before and didn’t get told a million times before. Or did you think this is what the coaching staff wants? I can’t tell
Knicks are having a tough time scoring in the paint. Spo adjusted and it's over for the knicks
Knicks are having a tough time scoring from anywhere, Spo didn’t have to do much.
Their 3pt shooting sucks (including wide open shots), they miss FTs at an alarming rate, and then players have reverted to ISO and bad decisions.
Knicks hit some of the completely wide open 3pointers and/or do 75% from the FT line, they prob up 2-1.
This ain’t rocket science.
ESOMKnicks wrote:markvmc wrote:ccch wrote:Been a fan since early 70's but this is the first time I shut the tv off.You made it through the Eddy Curry/Zach Randolph years without doing that? Hats off, sir!
That's simple - he didn't the TV on.
lol!
One could assume (right or wrong) that Mrs. Randle wasn’t all that thrilled with that news —- though what do I know.
LivingLegend wrote:Remember as soon as I read Jessica Alba thanking Julius for her court side seats ——- thought this could result in Julius going off rails.One could assume (right or wrong) that misses Randle wasn’t all that thrilled with that news —- though what do I know.
Get Jessica on a plane for game 4! Thibs needs to make that adjustment godddammit!! For all of us!