YEP
Playoff Basketball is alot of wit and grit, stealing line from #10 HOF my guy Walt Clyde Frazier.
YOU gotta be tough in basketball, Especially in NBA Playoffs.
Knicks have had good season. However a Hurt Brunson, Randle GOT more toughness in their Pinky Toes, than most of Knicks Roster on Floot.
Don't get me wrong NBA is Not a boxing match nor WWE Wrestling:
But do not fool ourselves, You straight punch NBA style R.J, Grimes, Quigley, Obi, Fournier ALL on the Chin cheek NBA style
None of these players Ain't getting OFF the mat for sh_t for a FIGHT in NBA Hoops. Not talking about brawl just tough Grit NBA
Basketball. Hustle, Loyalty and Heart. Nice players and moments sometimes. These guy I've cited has time to change my opinion.
Seen enough of RJ Barrett.
Dont get me wrong I know name of game to win is Buckets 2pt scores
At least we know the toughness & fight of Randle, Brunson, Mitch and Isaiah in NBA battle games.
That's my say, I'll shut up 
GAME 4 next !
Randle had an awful game. Hard to put him in this class , didn't see any fight in him'
BigRedDog wrote:Randle had an awful game. Hard to put him in this class , didn't see any fight in him'
Can’t base it on one game though.
BigRedDog wrote:Randle had an awful game. Hard to put him in this class , didn't see any fight in him'
True dat' BigRedDog .. agreed
However though Randle isn't 100% he's trying to do little things, pushing.. mixing it up being out of positionj
had 14 boards only 10 points. Tried to do effort plays, same as Brunson. Same as Hartenstein.
You are right neither Randle OR Brunson had their star game but they were trying to break their butts
on some plays.
RJ Barrett ? other Knicks got into loving 3 point hoists and zippo scores
Its not like any of these other starter Knicks OR bench players made plays
outside of 2 point buckets.
Didn't get same feel from other players.. Much Fight when a Knicks Shot was missed
Knixkik wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Randle had an awful game. Hard to put him in this class , didn't see any fight in him'
Can’t base it on one game though.
very true. Randle and even Brunson wasn't sharp
But they both were fighting for possessions, trying to get teammates involved
Rest of Knicks including Barrett seem content in both halfs , to run to outside
3 point line and hoisting up jumpers, for many Misses.
Dissappointed. Recall both Randle and Brunson ended up on their butts few times
Not sure if when other Knicks missed jumper they'd do anything on defense to mix it up
make HEAT work harder for shots.
Hartenstein was doing little things to keep chances on 2nd possessions
When RJ
OR Quigs, or Grimes, Obi rest of Knicks hoisted shots and missed the only play I seen from Obi was a block
That's what Im talking about. Miami Heat always seem to get 2nd chances in first half of game.
In 2nd half of game the same improved on hustle plays for HEAT. While most knicks even Randle ? at times content for Quick fix 3 point Jumpers
which was CLEAR misses as it was in Game#1 in MSG home arena.
Butler missed his own shots and layups, got his on ball back
NBA TV Says Miami HEAT shot 36-39% from field for shots and still Kicked Knicks Butts by 20 points
Cant Figure
RJ has not been soft DJ. Poor description.
GustavBahler wrote:RJ has not been soft DJ. Poor description.
You really think so ?
14 pts, 3 Rebounds and 1 assist? whole of game#3
Really ?
really ? I dont say he's trying not to play defense and he got ripped of few NBA calls that Heat got in their own Gym
But Please!!! do not cite that Knicks winning ways or losing
isnt cause of RJ Not being tough. He's got talent about 20-30 points in NBA game
If you want to tell me he's stopping less <100% Butler superstar OR any other Miami Heat swingman that's not a NBA star,
I aint even talking about that. Its ALL the other side of the game of hoops that's we're at this point of it.
If you want to say KNICKS arent' winning cause of RJ I can get with you on that.
But if you want to Say RJ isn't part of the way Knicks played in 2 of 3 game Losses which could be 0-3 down for Knicks
I don't Know what NBA Knicks Basketball you're watching. Of course RJ isnt full blame I aint saying that
If you want to tell us RJ isn't affected when his offense isn't there for helping Knicks
I'd have to disagree.. he has talent he also been around on Knicks awhile now.
DJMUSIC wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RJ has not been soft DJ. Poor description.
You really think so ?
14 pts, 3 Rebounds and 1 assist? whole of game#3
Really ?
really ? I dont say he's trying not to play defense and he got ripped of few NBA calls that Heat got in their own Gym
But Please!!! do not cite that Knicks winning ways or losing
isnt cause of RJ Not being tough. He's got talent about 20-30 points in NBA game
If you want to tell me he's stopping less <100% Butler superstar OR any other Miami Heat swingman that's not a NBA star,
I aint even talking about that. Its ALL the other side of the game of hoops that's we're at this point of it.
If you want to say KNICKS arent' winning cause of RJ I can get with you on that.
But if you want to Say RJ isn't part of the way Knicks played in 2 of 3 game Losses which could be 0-3 down for Knicks
I don't Know what NBA Knicks Basketball you're watching. Of course RJ isnt full blame I aint saying that
If you want to tell us RJ isn't affected when his offense isn't there for helping Knicks
I'd have to disagree.. he has talent he also been around on Knicks awhile now.
I measure toughness on the willingness to absorb contact, the willingness to take it to the rim. Over and over. I get you criticizing his game, not his toughness.
BigRedDog wrote:Randle had an awful game. Hard to put him in this class , didn't see any fight in him'
Agreed - Julius is very physical offensively but he generally sucks defensively and DEFINITELY thinks he’s above giving full-time legit effort defensively. He barely bends his knees defensively- pretty bad.
Also with Jules - can’t be a star when you never know what you are going to get.
When you have 1 cat doing his own thing in game 3 of a 2nd round playoff game you have problems as a team because if everyone is watching film do you think anyone notices this guy dicking around on D and really not giving a damn on many possessions.
GustavBahler wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RJ has not been soft DJ. Poor description.
You really think so ?
14 pts, 3 Rebounds and 1 assist? whole of game#3
Really ?
really ? I dont say he's trying not to play defense and he got ripped of few NBA calls that Heat got in their own Gym
But Please!!! do not cite that Knicks winning ways or losing
isnt cause of RJ Not being tough. He's got talent about 20-30 points in NBA game
If you want to tell me he's stopping less <100% Butler superstar OR any other Miami Heat swingman that's not a NBA star,
I aint even talking about that. Its ALL the other side of the game of hoops that's we're at this point of it.
If you want to say KNICKS arent' winning cause of RJ I can get with you on that.
But if you want to Say RJ isn't part of the way Knicks played in 2 of 3 game Losses which could be 0-3 down for Knicks
I don't Know what NBA Knicks Basketball you're watching. Of course RJ isnt full blame I aint saying that
If you want to tell us RJ isn't affected when his offense isn't there for helping Knicks
I'd have to disagree.. he has talent he also been around on Knicks awhile now.
I measure toughness on the willingness to absorb contact, the willingness to take it to the rim. Over and over. I get you criticizing his game, not his toughness.
Right that sums it up perhaps
His game of offense goes (well)
His other game boards, FT, FG scoring
help plays on team D and defense is better.
If his nba offense is funky in points
misses and touches, think his focus is
slightly different. He's got a good nba
body for rigors of play outside scoring
Yep it's known his fame is scorer 1st
but other areas He's decent enough to
help Knicks. Like drawing fouls,affecting
Opposition players such as Max Strus, or
Other non stars.
I ain't blaming 2-1 deficit vs Heat on RJ Either. However it's clear among RJ
fans, Ric and J.Randle that Barrett is 1 of big 3 Knicks best players.
I've seen Knicks win with Brunson, Randle having so so games offensively but they'd
doing other NBA things in game to help ny win. Unsure on Barrett unless he's 20+
pts., if same applies to Barrett his overall game is all I'm saying. 🤔
Knixkik wrote:BigRedDog wrote:Randle had an awful game. Hard to put him in this class , didn't see any fight in him'
Can’t base it on one game though.
I'm sure Randle won't use excuse..under 100%
He had 14 boards but his offensive game was poor 10 pts
As rest of Knickerbockers game#3
He's an effort player, not graceful
Whether he's hitting ground on basketball plays or fighting for Rebounds on both defensive, offensive side of boards physically. He put in min.
As did Brunson. Whole thing is team game.
Game plan coaching, effort plays etc. was not
there for NY today.
Knicks have uphill battle, this NBA series
Is hoops street fight. Seen it from Heat, we Need more from teammates and coaches
RJ don't belong on that soft list. Miami figured out a way to minimize him, along with the way the Knicks were trying to get Randle and Brunson going, RJ wasn't playing the same way he has been the past 5 or 6 games.
This team plays it's absolute best with Randle beasting on the boards and when they are going crazy in transition. This team needs to play fast, based on my observations from the season and Miami is turning it into a half court game which is much better for them.
That small little weave at the top of the key is no good when it gets blown up by a defender. This team shooting like shit is also only going to take them so far. Quick and Grimes hitting their 3's brings up that team percentage and was a HUGE part of their offense. You can get by a team like Cleveland doing that but Miami is just a different animal with infinite shooters.
GustavBahler wrote:DJMUSIC wrote:GustavBahler wrote:RJ has not been soft DJ. Poor description.
You really think so ?
14 pts, 3 Rebounds and 1 assist? whole of game#3
Really ?
really ? I dont say he's trying not to play defense and he got ripped of few NBA calls that Heat got in their own Gym
But Please!!! do not cite that Knicks winning ways or losing
isnt cause of RJ Not being tough. He's got talent about 20-30 points in NBA game
If you want to tell me he's stopping less <100% Butler superstar OR any other Miami Heat swingman that's not a NBA star,
I aint even talking about that. Its ALL the other side of the game of hoops that's we're at this point of it.
If you want to say KNICKS arent' winning cause of RJ I can get with you on that.
But if you want to Say RJ isn't part of the way Knicks played in 2 of 3 game Losses which could be 0-3 down for Knicks
I don't Know what NBA Knicks Basketball you're watching. Of course RJ isnt full blame I aint saying that
If you want to tell us RJ isn't affected when his offense isn't there for helping Knicks
I'd have to disagree.. he has talent he also been around on Knicks awhile now.
I measure toughness on the willingness to absorb contact, the willingness to take it to the rim. Over and over. I get you criticizing his game, not his toughness.
I hear youMa
my small issue with RJ going to next level is his game ..primary scoring
I feel he's talented enough when his shots not falling OR layup points
I aint too sure his other game like defensive rebounding, 'D' and hustle plays are evident.
Some NBA star players when offense isn't going they turn it up in other areas.
RJ is healthy and he's not a dumb player, he got atheleticism, and as Knicks best 2nd star
no worse than 3rd I'd be interested in him taking over a game but not because of offensive explosion.
OF course! our team need scoring and points today vs Miami from whole team.
ALL I am saying is RJ going the next level means he don't have to dominate OR change a game because of
30-40 points, He's skilled enough and athletic to grab boards, get 2nd chance hustle plays , asissts
force turnovers etc. OF COURSE! what I am saying applies to rest of team.
In this post I am talking about RJ Barrett the player.
Where he can be game changing , especially when an older Julius Randle isn't on top of his game
and Jalen Brunson needs the other Star to be focal into what's happening in a difficult game vs skilled MIAMI Heat team.
I aint blaming RJ for loss either. But if he's going to be considered next tier probable star in making
I expect him to make impact other than the 30-35 points he brings with his offense. Maybe I am thinking TOO lofty goals
for RJ Barrett. Recall their were times before OUR NBA Playoffs KNICKS were in playoffs prior to Randle and Brunson even
being touted BEST players, NBA cited RJ Barrett was in same talk Chats about being Star of Knickerbockers roster.
HE still has chance.
I'm not sure if he'll go to NEXT Level on this Roster. Perhaps that's not his fault but Knickerbockers system
and Roster, COACHING.
Most teams look soft next to Heat.
Im not seeing “soft”, im seeing “Limitations”. Thibs got perhaps max from his team this year.
If healthy perhaps we do better. Fact is this was no ordinary 8th seed. They took apart the no. 1 seed in the league.
They have been final four two years prior.
Knicks doing it with two 22 year olds in teh staring lineup (Grimes and RJ).
RJ get to line alot. Thats no soft.
Brunson is not soft.
Randle is mentally, but dude is a beast when healthy.
Mitch/Isiah are physical. Not soft.
Josh Hart, not soft.
IQ is a good defender. Offense he don’t bang, but he goes to the paint.
Obi and Grimes, finesse players. Soft? A bit.
Deuce? If fans have a say he is the baddest muthafucker in the league and only Thibs can stop him!!LOL
Sims? he don’t smile does he?
Drose? He let his hair down. He is done.
EF? French in a knicks uni is soft.
We need to start Grimes and bring Hart back off the bench, infuse some energy on the second unit. Wouldn’t mind seeing McBride on their shooters for 15 minutes
IMO the issue is not toughness it's about lacking needed momentum that comes from hitting shots. Knicks started out 0-10 from 3 and hit their first well into the 2nd quarter. When they fell behind early, they continued to miss even mid-range shots and the play seemed to be a bit desperate and laden with turnovers. Team 3pt% in the playoffs has a terrible .277 with Brunson (.283), Quickly (.243) and Randle (.229) all below .300 and with Grimes at a putrid .167. That right there and making a few more foul shots is the difference between 1-2 and 2-1 in this series.
