Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:Besides signing Burks Knicks should look at trading Randle and IQ while their market value is at an all-time high this offseason
Their market value is no longer at a high. IQ has been knocked down. Suggesting to trade Randle is never realistic because you won’t get a player as good as him back. Plus he doesn’t miss many games and puts us in position to be a playoff team. He is very good in the regular season. We just need a team where he’s not relied as a second guy in the playoffs.
Yup, with or without Randle on the roster, we need another star. Enough of a sample size now to confirm this.
Draft that guy. Even giannis laid an egg in the playoffs
Except Randle has done nothing but lay eggs in the playoffs except for game 1 of the Cleveland series
I wouldnt call suffocating Mobely and cleaning the glass laying an egg. Despite the poor shooting Randle was really important in that series.Bottom line is Randle incredibly important and there's reasons the coaching staff leans so much on. Its also clear he needs to be the 3rd option because when he's facilitating more and being selective his game elevates.
25/10 all star guy who never misses games, cleans the glass and is a wrecking ball in the paint.
Why in gods name would you trade IQ.. he's like the most ascending player we have
Randle is important but I think Obi is ready to step in and be the full time PF next season. He will be auditioning for a contract and will be a double double machine. The time to trade Randle for assets will be this summer
Even the biggest Randle ballwashers have to admit he has mostly underperformed in the playoffs. He was great in game 1 vs Cleveland that I’ll give you but he has not been good in any other playoff games ever. I want to win a championship I’m sorry guys, just making the playoffs is not enough for me
When you gonna take a minute to realize how hurt Randle may be or just continue to be ignorant of it? At this point you are kinda just leaning into that ignorance tbh
franco12 wrote:Mikal Bridges. Offer IQ, RJ, Obi & maybe a first rounder (Dallas). Too much to give up. Whatever get's it down.
While I don’t think they will trade bridges to us, I think the ticket to that being a possibility is also taking Simmons.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:Besides signing Burks Knicks should look at trading Randle and IQ while their market value is at an all-time high this offseason
Their market value is no longer at a high. IQ has been knocked down. Suggesting to trade Randle is never realistic because you won’t get a player as good as him back. Plus he doesn’t miss many games and puts us in position to be a playoff team. He is very good in the regular season. We just need a team where he’s not relied as a second guy in the playoffs.
Yup, with or without Randle on the roster, we need another star. Enough of a sample size now to confirm this.
Draft that guy. Even giannis laid an egg in the playoffs
Except Randle has done nothing but lay eggs in the playoffs except for game 1 of the Cleveland series
I wouldnt call suffocating Mobely and cleaning the glass laying an egg. Despite the poor shooting Randle was really important in that series.Bottom line is Randle incredibly important and there's reasons the coaching staff leans so much on. Its also clear he needs to be the 3rd option because when he's facilitating more and being selective his game elevates.
25/10 all star guy who never misses games, cleans the glass and is a wrecking ball in the paint.
Why in gods name would you trade IQ.. he's like the most ascending player we have
Randle is important but I think Obi is ready to step in and be the full time PF next season. He will be auditioning for a contract and will be a double double machine. The time to trade Randle for assets will be this summer
Even the biggest Randle ballwashers have to admit he has mostly underperformed in the playoffs. He was great in game 1 vs Cleveland that I’ll give you but he has not been good in any other playoff games ever. I want to win a championship I’m sorry guys, just making the playoffs is not enough for me
When you gonna take a minute to realize how hurt Randle may be or just continue to be ignorant of it? At this point you are kinda just leaning into that ignorance tbh
Exactly. While Randle might be miscast as a top scorer come playoffs, there’s no denying he destroyed Mobley on one leg. And even an injured Randle draws so much attention from defenses.
Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:Mikal Bridges. Offer IQ, RJ, Obi & maybe a first rounder (Dallas). Too much to give up. Whatever get's it down.
While I don’t think they will trade bridges to us, I think the ticket to that being a possibility is also taking Simmons.
Yeah and I think they'd look for more than a protected pick.
Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:Mikal Bridges. Offer IQ, RJ, Obi & maybe a first rounder (Dallas). Too much to give up. Whatever get's it down.
While I don’t think they will trade bridges to us, I think the ticket to that being a possibility is also taking Simmons.
I’d take on Simmons contract for Bridges but sadly Brooklyn wouldn’t do any deal with Knicks 😐
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:Mikal Bridges. Offer IQ, RJ, Obi & maybe a first rounder (Dallas). Too much to give up. Whatever get's it down.
While I don’t think they will trade bridges to us, I think the ticket to that being a possibility is also taking Simmons.
I’d take on Simmons contract for Bridges but sadly Brooklyn wouldn’t do any deal with Knicks 😐
They'd also have to be open to taking Fournier. You're talking $60 million dollars in contracts alone. How many firstrounders would you be willing to give up?
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:Mikal Bridges. Offer IQ, RJ, Obi & maybe a first rounder (Dallas). Too much to give up. Whatever get's it down.
While I don’t think they will trade bridges to us, I think the ticket to that being a possibility is also taking Simmons.
I’d take on Simmons contract for Bridges but sadly Brooklyn wouldn’t do any deal with Knicks 😐
They'd also have to be open to taking Fournier. You're talking $60 million dollars in contracts alone. How many firstrounders would you be willing to give up?
thats a lot of salary and the real issue is can simmons be rehabilitated beyond a wasted contract?
Simmons contract and waste of talent really contributed to the Nets demise. The return for Harden was minimal because of it.
Nets picks coming in and going out is too much for me to formulate. The swaps with Rockets might not be an issue of Rockets get Webenyana or organically start to improve. Nets picks from Kyrie and Durant are pretty good haul.
Im not in the camp of laughing at their demise as a knick fan after 20 years of really not much to right home about ourselves.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:franco12 wrote:Mikal Bridges. Offer IQ, RJ, Obi & maybe a first rounder (Dallas). Too much to give up. Whatever get's it down.
While I don’t think they will trade bridges to us, I think the ticket to that being a possibility is also taking Simmons.
I’d take on Simmons contract for Bridges but sadly Brooklyn wouldn’t do any deal with Knicks 😐
They'd also have to be open to taking Fournier. You're talking $60 million dollars in contracts alone. How many firstrounders would you be willing to give up?
A lot. But not with IQ involved.
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:Besides signing Burks Knicks should look at trading Randle and IQ while their market value is at an all-time high this offseason
Their market value is no longer at a high. IQ has been knocked down. Suggesting to trade Randle is never realistic because you won’t get a player as good as him back. Plus he doesn’t miss many games and puts us in position to be a playoff team. He is very good in the regular season. We just need a team where he’s not relied as a second guy in the playoffs.
Yup, with or without Randle on the roster, we need another star. Enough of a sample size now to confirm this.
Draft that guy. Even giannis laid an egg in the playoffs
Except Randle has done nothing but lay eggs in the playoffs except for game 1 of the Cleveland series
I wouldnt call suffocating Mobely and cleaning the glass laying an egg. Despite the poor shooting Randle was really important in that series.Bottom line is Randle incredibly important and there's reasons the coaching staff leans so much on. Its also clear he needs to be the 3rd option because when he's facilitating more and being selective his game elevates.
25/10 all star guy who never misses games, cleans the glass and is a wrecking ball in the paint.
Why in gods name would you trade IQ.. he's like the most ascending player we have
Randle is important but I think Obi is ready to step in and be the full time PF next season. He will be auditioning for a contract and will be a double double machine. The time to trade Randle for assets will be this summer
Even the biggest Randle ballwashers have to admit he has mostly underperformed in the playoffs. He was great in game 1 vs Cleveland that I’ll give you but he has not been good in any other playoff games ever. I want to win a championship I’m sorry guys, just making the playoffs is not enough for me
When you gonna take a minute to realize how hurt Randle may be or just continue to be ignorant of it? At this point you are kinda just leaning into that ignorance tbh
Randle has the lowest playoff fg% of any active nba player
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:Besides signing Burks Knicks should look at trading Randle and IQ while their market value is at an all-time high this offseason
Their market value is no longer at a high. IQ has been knocked down. Suggesting to trade Randle is never realistic because you won’t get a player as good as him back. Plus he doesn’t miss many games and puts us in position to be a playoff team. He is very good in the regular season. We just need a team where he’s not relied as a second guy in the playoffs.
Yup, with or without Randle on the roster, we need another star. Enough of a sample size now to confirm this.
Draft that guy. Even giannis laid an egg in the playoffs
Except Randle has done nothing but lay eggs in the playoffs except for game 1 of the Cleveland series
I wouldnt call suffocating Mobely and cleaning the glass laying an egg. Despite the poor shooting Randle was really important in that series.Bottom line is Randle incredibly important and there's reasons the coaching staff leans so much on. Its also clear he needs to be the 3rd option because when he's facilitating more and being selective his game elevates.
25/10 all star guy who never misses games, cleans the glass and is a wrecking ball in the paint.
Why in gods name would you trade IQ.. he's like the most ascending player we have
Randle is important but I think Obi is ready to step in and be the full time PF next season. He will be auditioning for a contract and will be a double double machine. The time to trade Randle for assets will be this summer
Even the biggest Randle ballwashers have to admit he has mostly underperformed in the playoffs. He was great in game 1 vs Cleveland that I’ll give you but he has not been good in any other playoff games ever. I want to win a championship I’m sorry guys, just making the playoffs is not enough for me
When you gonna take a minute to realize how hurt Randle may be or just continue to be ignorant of it? At this point you are kinda just leaning into that ignorance tbh
Randle has the lowest playoff fg% of any active nba player
You are strangely good at pointing out the obvious. Do you get above that level at all?
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:fishmike wrote:Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knixkik wrote:Philc1 wrote:Besides signing Burks Knicks should look at trading Randle and IQ while their market value is at an all-time high this offseason
Their market value is no longer at a high. IQ has been knocked down. Suggesting to trade Randle is never realistic because you won’t get a player as good as him back. Plus he doesn’t miss many games and puts us in position to be a playoff team. He is very good in the regular season. We just need a team where he’s not relied as a second guy in the playoffs.
Yup, with or without Randle on the roster, we need another star. Enough of a sample size now to confirm this.
Draft that guy. Even giannis laid an egg in the playoffs
Except Randle has done nothing but lay eggs in the playoffs except for game 1 of the Cleveland series
I wouldnt call suffocating Mobely and cleaning the glass laying an egg. Despite the poor shooting Randle was really important in that series.Bottom line is Randle incredibly important and there's reasons the coaching staff leans so much on. Its also clear he needs to be the 3rd option because when he's facilitating more and being selective his game elevates.
25/10 all star guy who never misses games, cleans the glass and is a wrecking ball in the paint.
Why in gods name would you trade IQ.. he's like the most ascending player we have
Randle is important but I think Obi is ready to step in and be the full time PF next season. He will be auditioning for a contract and will be a double double machine. The time to trade Randle for assets will be this summer
Even the biggest Randle ballwashers have to admit he has mostly underperformed in the playoffs. He was great in game 1 vs Cleveland that I’ll give you but he has not been good in any other playoff games ever. I want to win a championship I’m sorry guys, just making the playoffs is not enough for me
When you gonna take a minute to realize how hurt Randle may be or just continue to be ignorant of it? At this point you are kinda just leaning into that ignorance tbh
Randle has the lowest playoff fg% of any active nba player
You are strangely good at pointing out the obvious. Do you get above that level at all?
Julius Randle has an eFG% of 39.5 in the playoffs in his career.
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask?q=juliu...
To answer the original poster , the shooting version of Josh Hart is Kevin Love. Too bad he is not on the market anymore.
ramtour420 wrote:To answer the original poster , the shooting version of Josh Hart is Kevin Love. Too bad he is not on the market anymore.
I don’t see it. Love doesn’t play defense
I’d love to say Max Strus would be an awesome addition, but he’s playing his way out of MLE money and would probably turn into Fournier here.
I'm seeing a lot of guards mentioned. But its more needed from the 3,4, & 5 position. We have very very limited outside shooting starting from the forward position up to the center position.
newyorknewyork wrote:I'm seeing a lot of guards mentioned. But its more needed from the 3,4, & 5 position. We have very very limited outside shooting starting from the forward position up to the center position.
I see Barrett and hart playing a lot of backup 4 with the second unit. I just don’t see the need for a true backup 4. Hart is a better rebounder and defender than Toppin at the position. So it really doesn’t matter. A nice backup 4 who is a free agent would be Georges Niang because he can really shoot and it will mix it up a bit defensively. He’s also used to a 15 mpg bench role so backing up Randle should be seamless. He’s a 40% 3pt shooter in that role. A guy like Strus or DiVincenzo can play wing while Barrett and Hart play 4. Someone like Royce O’Neale might be good because he shares some of Hart’s traits as a combo forward but can also shoot. I bet BK makes him available. Point is the position doesn’t matter but yes a bigger wing/ forward is preferable.
Knixkik wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:I'm seeing a lot of guards mentioned. But its more needed from the 3,4, & 5 position. We have very very limited outside shooting starting from the forward position up to the center position.
I see Barrett and hart playing a lot of backup 4 with the second unit. I just don’t see the need for a true backup 4. Hart is a better rebounder and defender than Toppin at the position. So it really doesn’t matter. A nice backup 4 who is a free agent would be Georges Niang because he can really shoot and it will mix it up a bit defensively. He’s also used to a 15 mpg bench role so backing up Randle should be seamless. He’s a 40% 3pt shooter in that role. A guy like Strus or DiVincenzo can play wing while Barrett and Hart play 4. Someone like Royce O’Neale might be good because he shares some of Hart’s traits as a combo forward but can also shoot. I bet BK makes him available. Point is the position doesn’t matter but yes a bigger wing/ forward is preferable.
There is a difference in trying to cover a hole with a band aid and tryna create an advantage.
Hart's rebounding becomes devastating at the guard position if you have forwards who are also holding their own. When trying to get the the next level those are the type of edges you need.
Knixkik wrote:ramtour420 wrote:To answer the original poster , the shooting version of Josh Hart is Kevin Love. Too bad he is not on the market anymore.
I don’t see it. Love doesn’t play defense
That's true. I that case we are talking about a two way all star. Tatum?
Knew Hart's three point shooting when he first got here was a big fluke. Hart plays hard and there is a place for him on a good team but he cannot be your 40 mpg SG or SF.
And as much as I like him, I'm not overpaying and breaking the bank for him either.
SergioNYK wrote:Knew Hart's three point shooting when he first got here was a big fluke. Hart plays hard and there is a place for him on a good team but he cannot be your 40 mpg SG or SF. And as much as I like him, I'm not overpaying and breaking the bank for him either.
The shooting was never an issue when guys like Randle, Grimes and Quickley were knocking them down.
Knixkik wrote:SergioNYK wrote:Knew Hart's three point shooting when he first got here was a big fluke. Hart plays hard and there is a place for him on a good team but he cannot be your 40 mpg SG or SF. And as much as I like him, I'm not overpaying and breaking the bank for him either.
The shooting was never an issue when guys like Randle, Grimes and Quickley were knocking them down.
And Obi, and Brunson.
