franco12 wrote:I won't be able to watch the game. The idea that we are letting an undermanned Miami Heat team do this to us with a bunch of UDFA is insane.
They got Kyle Lowry off the bench.
Been to finals and game 7 of conf. Finals two years running.
Bam is legit.
Jimmy is Legit.
KYle is legit.
martin wrote:Chandler wrote:
We need to attack Jimmy on defense. The guy is hobbled and we're letting him off too easyWe also need to put more pressure on refs. Heat is schooling us in that regard and we're suffering as a result. Bam moves on every pick and they're not calling it, so we need to force that situation some.
we need some production from Obi, Grimes or IQ. the latter two are banged up so hoping one can contribute, and no excuse for Obi. He needs to grow a pair.
Unfortunately i think Jules is hobbled too. He is not moving well.
Who attacks? ISO RJ? ISO Brunson? ISO Randle?
What happens after the first 1 or 2 times Jimmy shuts those guys down like he did last game. Then what?
Attack one of the best wing defenders in the league and hope he gets hurt? That should be the plan?
Butler is already hurt. DIdnt you see his ankle turn.
Whoever he is guarding needs to make him work based on the situation. Spotting up in the corner is not makig him work and is letting him off easy. We'll have to see who he's taking.
and yes that's what you do with injured players/ You attack them
fishmike wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:
We need to attack Jimmy on defense. The guy is hobbled and we're letting him off too easyWe also need to put more pressure on refs. Heat is schooling us in that regard and we're suffering as a result. Bam moves on every pick and they're not calling it, so we need to force that situation some.
we need some production from Obi, Grimes or IQ. the latter two are banged up so hoping one can contribute, and no excuse for Obi. He needs to grow a pair.
Unfortunately i think Jules is hobbled too. He is not moving well.
Who attacks? ISO RJ? ISO Brunson? ISO Randle?
What happens after the first 1 or 2 times Jimmy shuts those guys down like he did last game. Then what?
Attack one of the best wing defenders in the league and hope he gets hurt? That should be the plan?
no but you need to screen/pick him and make him work harderKnicks shooting 42% for the series and 27% from 3. The Heat arent doing anything magical here. Knicks just need to play better. This is not the Bucks defense. Heat are good and Knicks are banged up but I expect us to break out of this in some way shape or form. My biggest worry is I expected Cle to also do that and they withered sooo..... 
This! They're attacking JB and Jule because they're both hobbled.
Same shit with Lowry. Lowry is attacking mismatchs using his big ass to back down IQ or whoever. On the flip side we're letting him take a breather (and he's doing a great job with his steals since the refs are letting that shit go).
Thibs is fond of saying it's all about the match-ups (which is true) but one of our goals has to be to create mismatches and attack weaknesses.
Chandler wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:
We need to attack Jimmy on defense. The guy is hobbled and we're letting him off too easyWe also need to put more pressure on refs. Heat is schooling us in that regard and we're suffering as a result. Bam moves on every pick and they're not calling it, so we need to force that situation some.
we need some production from Obi, Grimes or IQ. the latter two are banged up so hoping one can contribute, and no excuse for Obi. He needs to grow a pair.
Unfortunately i think Jules is hobbled too. He is not moving well.
Who attacks? ISO RJ? ISO Brunson? ISO Randle?
What happens after the first 1 or 2 times Jimmy shuts those guys down like he did last game. Then what?
Attack one of the best wing defenders in the league and hope he gets hurt? That should be the plan?
Butler is already hurt. DIdnt you see his ankle turn.
Whoever he is guarding needs to make him work based on the situation. Spotting up in the corner is not makig him work and is letting him off easy. We'll have to see who he's taking.
and yes that's what you do with injured players/ You attack them
Here is RJ trying. And failing. Butler may be hurt but he aint that hurt to not be able to perform. I get attaching a player that *may* be hurt but it's also colossal failure and up ends everything else you should be doing. Like attaching even weaker defenders.
Again, you are forcing a position to completely turn around a team's offense on the off chance he *may* be hurt but also could be the best wing defender on the court. You can only try that so much and I wouldn't place money against a guy like Jimmy. Another lesser player, for sure.
Make Jimmy run around? Sure, but that also up ends your entire offense that you have been running all year, it's an incredibly hard change for a young team. You are either asking Grimes or RJ or Hart to do something they haven't done all year.
fishmike wrote:franco12 wrote:I won't be able to watch the game. The idea that we are letting an undermanned Miami Heat team do this to us with a bunch of UDFA is insane.
Its not us, its them. Ask the Bucks. We need to step up and answer
We are not shooting well. By any metric. Our players are getting open looks from 3. If we shot even at the same percentage we did during the regular season, not better just the same, we would be up 2-1 right now.
Papabear Says
What I don't like what the refs are doing is allowing the Heat players to get up on the Knick and hand check not giving them room at all and when the knicks try to do that they call it a foul or and a quick whistle. Officiate the game fair refs
martin wrote:Chandler wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:
We need to attack Jimmy on defense. The guy is hobbled and we're letting him off too easyWe also need to put more pressure on refs. Heat is schooling us in that regard and we're suffering as a result. Bam moves on every pick and they're not calling it, so we need to force that situation some.
we need some production from Obi, Grimes or IQ. the latter two are banged up so hoping one can contribute, and no excuse for Obi. He needs to grow a pair.
Unfortunately i think Jules is hobbled too. He is not moving well.
Who attacks? ISO RJ? ISO Brunson? ISO Randle?
What happens after the first 1 or 2 times Jimmy shuts those guys down like he did last game. Then what?
Attack one of the best wing defenders in the league and hope he gets hurt? That should be the plan?
Butler is already hurt. DIdnt you see his ankle turn.
Whoever he is guarding needs to make him work based on the situation. Spotting up in the corner is not makig him work and is letting him off easy. We'll have to see who he's taking.
and yes that's what you do with injured players/ You attack them
Here is RJ trying. And failing. Butler may be hurt but he aint that hurt to not be able to perform. I get attaching a player that *may* be hurt but it's also colossal failure and up ends everything else you should be doing. Like attaching even weaker defenders.
Again, you are forcing a position to completely turn around a team's offense on the off chance he *may* be hurt but also could be the best wing defender on the court. You can only try that so much and I wouldn't place money against a guy like Jimmy. Another lesser player, for sure.
Make Jimmy run around? Sure, but that also up ends your entire offense that you have been running all year, it's an incredibly hard change for a young team. You are either asking Grimes or RJ or Hart to do something they haven't done all year.
Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good.
I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
We need to set the tone in this game and get physical, I want to see in the first few plays bam getting his a s s dropped hard on his bull S HIT picks . Make him think twice about setting illegal screens … I don’t even care if it’s a Tech…. Set the fuvking TONE let the heat know we aren’t letting them get anything easy …. You set that screen and we are gonna knock you the fuvk out
fitzfarm wrote:We need to set the tone in this game and get physical, I want to see in the first few plays bam getting his a s s dropped hard on his bull S HIT picks . Make him think twice about setting illegal screens … I don’t even care if it’s a Tech…. Set the fuvking TONE let the heat know we aren’t letting them get anything easy …. You set that screen and we are gonna knock you the fuvk out
and said player gets ejected. Who is said player to be ejected?
Chandler wrote:Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good. I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
I will fully admit I did not watch second half of last game so didn’t watch all of Jimmy’s play. How can you tell how bad his ankle is? Is he limping while playing?
And how do you beat the 3-2 zone with the 3point shooting the Knicks currently have going on?
Jimmy looks about as hurt as Josh Hart is with his ankle sprain
martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good. I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
I will fully admit I did not watch second half of last game so didn’t watch all of Jimmy’s play. How can you tell how bad his ankle is? Is he limping while playing?
And how do you beat the 3-2 zone with the 3point shooting the Knicks currently have going on?
1. Buttler turned his ankle again, 2x on the same play in the 4th and limped around when play was stopped. He also looked like there was zero effect when play started. Dude is a tough SOB
2. We have been struggling against the zone for 3 years. It has been our kryptonite. The refs make it impossible to get anyone in foul trouble attacking the basket. We need to out effort the Heat cuz that's what it is going to take. No Miami flu this game!
Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good. I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
I will fully admit I did not watch second half of last game so didn’t watch all of Jimmy’s play. How can you tell how bad his ankle is? Is he limping while playing?
And how do you beat the 3-2 zone with the 3point shooting the Knicks currently have going on?
1. Buttler turned his ankle again, 2x on the same play in the 4th and limped around when play was stopped. He also looked like there was zero effect when play started. Dude is a tough SOB
2. We have been struggling against the zone for 3 years. It has been our kryptonite. The refs make it impossible to get anyone in foul trouble attacking the basket. We need to out effort the Heat cuz that's what it is going to take. No Miami flu this game!
I would look at hiring a shooting coach. Cause our shooting needs more coaching.
EwingsGlass wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good. I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
I will fully admit I did not watch second half of last game so didn’t watch all of Jimmy’s play. How can you tell how bad his ankle is? Is he limping while playing?
And how do you beat the 3-2 zone with the 3point shooting the Knicks currently have going on?
1. Buttler turned his ankle again, 2x on the same play in the 4th and limped around when play was stopped. He also looked like there was zero effect when play started. Dude is a tough SOB
2. We have been struggling against the zone for 3 years. It has been our kryptonite. The refs make it impossible to get anyone in foul trouble attacking the basket. We need to out effort the Heat cuz that's what it is going to take. No Miami flu this game!
I would look at hiring a shooting coach. Cause our shooting needs more coaching.
What about that high tech computerized shot tracking device they got at Tarrytown? State of the art or state of cr*p?
The Noah Basketball Shot Tracking System measures each player’s arc/trajectory, his “left-right consistency’’ and “depth of shot.’’Thibodeau pushed for the purchase after the Garden initially mulled the system in 2017. Though Noah has worked with about 20 teams in some capacity, the Knicks have the most operating shot machines in the NBA.
Most in the NBA!
EwingsGlass wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good. I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
I will fully admit I did not watch second half of last game so didn’t watch all of Jimmy’s play. How can you tell how bad his ankle is? Is he limping while playing?
And how do you beat the 3-2 zone with the 3point shooting the Knicks currently have going on?
1. Buttler turned his ankle again, 2x on the same play in the 4th and limped around when play was stopped. He also looked like there was zero effect when play started. Dude is a tough SOB
2. We have been struggling against the zone for 3 years. It has been our kryptonite. The refs make it impossible to get anyone in foul trouble attacking the basket. We need to out effort the Heat cuz that's what it is going to take. No Miami flu this game!
I would look at hiring a shooting coach. Cause our shooting needs more coaching.
If Steve Nash wants to get back into the NBA coaching circle, his god son says hi.
EwingsGlass wrote:Rookie wrote:martin wrote:Chandler wrote:Jimmy is tough as nails but that ankle is not good. I suspect Miami will do there 3-2 zone as much as they can to give Jimmy a bit of a break but we have to break that and make him work. This is like letting Trae guard bullock in the corner. We gave Trae a pass. We'll need to hit some shots to get them out of their zone and then we need to run Butler and Lowry all over the place
obviously Jimmy is an elite defender but we need to grind him down. WHat's the alternative, give him a free pass and just hope he starts to suck?
Still have Knicks in 7
I will fully admit I did not watch second half of last game so didn’t watch all of Jimmy’s play. How can you tell how bad his ankle is? Is he limping while playing?
And how do you beat the 3-2 zone with the 3point shooting the Knicks currently have going on?
1. Buttler turned his ankle again, 2x on the same play in the 4th and limped around when play was stopped. He also looked like there was zero effect when play started. Dude is a tough SOB
2. We have been struggling against the zone for 3 years. It has been our kryptonite. The refs make it impossible to get anyone in foul trouble attacking the basket. We need to out effort the Heat cuz that's what it is going to take. No Miami flu this game!
I would look at hiring a shooting coach. Cause our shooting needs more coaching.
Right, or longer term reshape roster.
I think all things being equal, Grimes and Brunson will return to form but maybe not immediately. RJ has really never been a good shooter and may never be and that’s a position you need shooting from. Randle can be dangerous enough but it’s obvious he is just hurt or off right now.
Yada yada he is 22 but realistically RJ does one thing well and it’s going left while downhill and is the easiest cover ever if he is not hitting from downtown and you really only need to worry about that like once every 5 games or whatnot.
Knicks have decisions to make.
Nalod wrote:fitzfarm wrote:We need to set the tone in this game and get physical, I want to see in the first few plays bam getting his a s s dropped hard on his bull S HIT picks . Make him think twice about setting illegal screens … I don’t even care if it’s a Tech…. Set the fuvking TONE let the heat know we aren’t letting them get anything easy …. You set that screen and we are gonna knock you the fuvk out
and said player gets ejected. Who is said player to be ejected?
There’s a way to do it without getting ejected just run strait into him full speed and knock his ass down hard just like what Kobe did to gasol in the Olympics… at worst you get a T .
Grimes officially starting.
MaTT4281 wrote:Grimes officially starting.
I want to see 23 points for his 23rd birthday!
SergioNYK wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:Grimes officially starting.
I want to see 23 points for his 23rd birthday!
Well good news, I can almost guarantee the Knicks will score at least 23 points!
