Get rid of JR...but who would want him...a real head case and not that good. His best attribute is dribbling into double teams and coughing up the ball!
Clean, we do both have a baseline starting point that some people learn faster than others and each and every one of us grows and gains experience at different rates or are should we all just expect to perform things at the same rate as even the best amongst us?
HofstraBBall wrote:Chandler wrote:Looks like all the julius haters stayed up late last night to ventIf there were a search function one could see i have had my fair share of Julius criticisms. That said, i don’t think he deserves the vitriol in this series. I could be wrong but he looks hobbled to me — the whole series. He still has his flaws but I’m not going to criticize a guy who IMO is trying to give everything he has
I’m still hoping for the turnaround but if we’re going to lose, losing to an opponent which is hustling its ass off is the best of the bunch of shitty choices
Personally i think Spo has the Heat a step ahead of us (man i want to punch that guy — for other reasons). Early in the series he was having guys blitz to clog the pant on drives last couple of games i t seems he has fewer guys blitz and taking charges. We keep barreling over them. I fully expect that byt the time we adjust to that they’ll pivot to their next tactic
We’ve been off balance the whole series. We need to turn the tide on that one
Not so much haters but rather low Bball IQ fans.
Anyone who has watched these games and thinks ONE player is the cause does not know basketball..
The Heat are an example of ball movement, ball rotation and most of all, PROFESSIONAL shooting.
Anyone who has not noticed our shooting percentage is oblivious .
We have wings that cannot hit an open three.
We have a bench that was not able to score.
Unfortunately, what I said at begining of the year is holding true. We do not have enough shooting.
We have good players but not a true number one that can o overcome a solid defensive team with elite scoring ability. We have too many players that hold the rock.
Yes, Randle has not shot well. Yes he has to work on turnovers. However blaming him on a bim ankle for the loss of the series is shortsighted as to what ALL the things that need to be improved.
I called for an upgrade at SG, which is usually a teams highest scoring position. We have a center that cannot make a foul shot. We have a bench that has been outclassed.
Things we can improve on. Question is if it will internally or externally.
I haven't read all of the posts but I doubt anyone here is saying ONE player is the "cause", as you say. Not buying the bum ankle excuse as everyone is dealing with something during the playoffs. Speaking of bum ankles, Jimmy Butler is clearly compromised but he is out-hustling most of the players in the blue and orange uniforms and even on one leg, is still the best player on the court.
I agree with most of your analysis in terms of the flaws that this team has had all year and is now being highlighted and exposed on a bigger stage....But when you make an allstar team and are supposed to be one of the top players on the team and so-called team leader, you are going to get called out when you not only play bad, but when your effort is dog shit and your energy on the defensive end is pathetic....
martin wrote:OK, so these are clips posted above... I was in and out the first half and didn't catch the second half.Was this the ref'ing tone of the game? Both sides this bad or was it typical nonsense against Knicks?
These fouls are completely awful and especially so when I see what Bam and others get away with in previous games.
There were some bad calls - sure.
We were completely outplayed and outclassed by the Heat - up and down the roster. Worst part is they wanted it more (again).
Julius was BRUTAL again with his classic combination of 6 TO’s, 6 fouls and lack of effort over and over again.
Clean wrote:martin wrote:Clean wrote:
Like had been said before if you don't do stuff like this and moving screens you are playing at a disadvantage. I knew Jimmy would get a crazy whistle. I did not take into account Lowry. Bam constantly did moving screens the whole series and got called for one today. Why do we not do them also? We are playing a losing game.
It's an experience and smarts thing Clean. Vets know how to do these things. Smart players know how to take advantage of those situations.
Knicks are very young and really are lacking in the smart department. Our top3 guys: RJ, Randle, Brunson... only 1 of them is above average smart. Mitch? Nope. iHart, yup but needs more seasoning. IQ, Grimes... eyes still wide open cause they overwhelmed newbies. Guys like Taj? He does those picks and such all the time.
Austin Reaves picked up these things really fast. During that stretch when he was playing MVP level basketball he got more free throws than FGs attempted. He was in the 2021 NBA Draft. Youth is not an excuse.
Should be an offensive foul or no call —- agree 100% —- this call should not exist and it didn’t exist 10-15 or so years ago. Garbage with no benefit to the game.
Refs wise Watching this series is very similar to the GSW vs lakers the refs are giving the complete advantage to the heat and lakers and it’s not even close … nice story line of a 8th seed making it to the chip and of course LBJ sells and vs his old team . That’s what the NBA wants while the rest of us are suffering through a terrible called series .
Side note is Randle on drugs the guy looks so uninterested esp on defense.
All and all I’m proud of this team, and with a few trades I think this team is a chip contender.
It's as simple as a team has reached it's ceiling. Look at the remaining teams left (Boston, Philly, Lakers, GSW, Denver, Phoenix). We would we beat any of the other six teams left? Nope. Not with the way we shoot the ball. Not with Randle as your second best player. Second Round was as good as it get's with this team. This roster needs A LOT of work if they are ever going to get to a conference finals.
LivingLegend wrote:Should be an offensive foul or no call —- agree 100% —- this call should not exist and it didn’t exist 10-15 or so years ago. Garbage with no benefit to the game.
I agree. These types of plays is why I don't enjoy watching the NBA as much. I just hate that the Knicks are almost always on the wrong end of them. That is why I want us to start at least trying to add these things.
Not happy but refuse to join in the bashing and scapegoating.
We will see videos of him hitting 5 3's in a row during the summer time.
SergioNYK wrote:It's as simple as a team has reached it's ceiling. Look at the remaining teams left (Boston, Philly, Lakers, GSW, Denver, Phoenix). We would we beat any of the other six teams left? Nope. Not with the way we shoot the ball. Not with Randle as your second best player. Second Round was as good as it get's with this team. This roster needs A LOT of work if they are ever going to get to a conference finals.
Can't say a ceiling has been reached when most of your players are underperforming.
Guys need to play better. We need to improve certain positions/roles. All team do.
Question will be how? Saying this guy is not good and that guy is not good is useless without an alternative. There will be 29 teams fans blaming their players. Teams like Minnesota looking to get rid of Towns and others. Teams like the Suns putting down KD and Booker. Fans not realizing that you have to just keep adding good players, hope your current ones improve and that they all play well together. For me, we have to also improve the system in place. The fit. You need good coaches added. BUT MOST of all you need those good players to play well at the same time. We have several good players. We need to add more and put some of things mentioned above in place.
KnickDanger wrote:Not happy but refuse to join in the bashing and scapegoating.
Missing a great salad bar
does anyone know why the ref crew is rotated?
I can see some benefit to it, but on the flip side the players don't get a chance to acclimate to the refs and what they're calling and not calling and the refs don't get enough time to adjust to whatever shenanigans the teams are doing?
Last night for example, i thought Spo was using Vincent and Martin as guinea pigs to see how aggressive they could be on hand checking and taking away space before the refs would blow the whistle
Philc1 wrote:WP76 wrote:Philc1 wrote:No one can hit a 3, again
We better figure it out soon or next year will be upon us.
Fournier isn’t playing because…?
Because he sucks?
LivingLegend wrote:Philc1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Philc1 wrote:GustavBahler wrote:Knicksfan wrote:NardDogNation wrote:WP76 wrote:Sixth on Randle with an offensive foul...we're done.
Might be a blessing.
Only if that gets him traded.
We wont get better with Rsndle as the second option.
Randle is good in that regular season game facing the pistons at home in January
He's a three quarter star, best as a third or fourth option. Depending on the roster. Almost 30, not going to change.
Time to trade Randle is now. Throw in IQ before we give him a stupid contract extension
Was just thinking what could we get for Randle/Brunson but both killed value for 2nd straight playoffs.
Trade Brunson ? What???
We're a step slow, but that makes sense - practically all of our key players are dealing with turned ankles or some form of leg injury.
The Heat have their share of injuries too - but they've also tasted the NBA finals (2020) and Conference finals game 7 (2022). They know the pain of defeat and that drives them harder than physical pain.
We're down 3-1, but our mission remains the same: win 1 game. I think the Knicks will dig deep and take game 5.
ccch wrote:Get rid of JR...but who would want him...a real head case and not that good. His best attribute is dribbling into double teams and coughing up the ball!
Mark Cuban loves our players
SergioNYK wrote:It's as simple as a team has reached it's ceiling. Look at the remaining teams left (Boston, Philly, Lakers, GSW, Denver, Phoenix). We would we beat any of the other six teams left? Nope. Not with the way we shoot the ball. Not with Randle as your second best player. Second Round was as good as it get's with this team. This roster needs A LOT of work if they are ever going to get to a conference finals.
Our ceiling is 44-47 wins and second round. Rose/Perry have to get creative or we will get stuck and probably take a step back next season
Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:It's as simple as a team has reached it's ceiling. Look at the remaining teams left (Boston, Philly, Lakers, GSW, Denver, Phoenix). We would we beat any of the other six teams left? Nope. Not with the way we shoot the ball. Not with Randle as your second best player. Second Round was as good as it get's with this team. This roster needs A LOT of work if they are ever going to get to a conference finals.
Our ceiling is 44-47 wins and second round. Rose/Perry have to get creative or we will get stuck and probably take a step back next season
Knicks took an incredibly big step forward this year and did even better when Josh Hart showed up and we have evidence that pretty much every young player took a big leap this year with plenty of room to continue this trend but you think this team has topped out because they have met a pretty good team in the playoffs?
martin wrote:Philc1 wrote:SergioNYK wrote:It's as simple as a team has reached it's ceiling. Look at the remaining teams left (Boston, Philly, Lakers, GSW, Denver, Phoenix). We would we beat any of the other six teams left? Nope. Not with the way we shoot the ball. Not with Randle as your second best player. Second Round was as good as it get's with this team. This roster needs A LOT of work if they are ever going to get to a conference finals.
Our ceiling is 44-47 wins and second round. Rose/Perry have to get creative or we will get stuck and probably take a step back next season
Knicks took an incredibly big step forward this year and did even better when Josh Hart showed up and we have evidence that pretty much every young player took a big leap this year with plenty of room to continue this trend but you think this team has topped out because they have met a pretty good team in the playoffs?
Yes
How did RJ play ? I stopped watching first half. Let's get Bojan Bogdovic to spread the floor and bring RJ off the bench. Mitch, JR, Bojan, Grimes, Brunson. Heartenstein, Barett, Hart, IQ. Obi, Deuce Rokas situational
