Knicks · Julius Randle is the worst…… (page 4)
HofstraBBall wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:SergioNYK wrote:This regime is married to Randle. They are not trading him unless it's for a superior player and no team is making that trade. I'm talking about Randle plus prospects and picks for someone like Embiid, Giannis or Luka. Those trades are impossible. We're stuck with Randle.My guess would be for a very good role player. As well as picks, maybe cap space. To a contender that needs depth.
I’d be looking at guys like Porter Jr, Kuzma, Miles Bridges (if his legal situation is resolved) —— some young 4’s that we can play real offense with —- though we need a long defender as well.
I don’t know.
LMAO. A Sprained ankle later and the jackals are back to 2021 summer. Do any of you truly believe that is the way a professional FO rationalize things??
Dude the entire world is watching in front of their eyes — can’t help you if you can’t seethe dogging/quitting and piss-poor decision making. My trade ideas are simply for fun - don’t think I’ll be the one executing trades.
martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:martin wrote:LivingLegend wrote:franco12 wrote:LivingLegend wrote:GustavBahler wrote:SergioNYK wrote:This regime is married to Randle. They are not trading him unless it's for a superior player and no team is making that trade. I'm talking about Randle plus prospects and picks for someone like Embiid, Giannis or Luka. Those trades are impossible. We're stuck with Randle.My guess would be for a very good role player. As well as picks, maybe cap space. To a contender that needs depth.
I’d be looking at guys like Porter Jr, Kuzma, Miles Bridges (if his legal situation is resolved) —— some young 4’s that we can play real offense with —- though we need a long defender as well.
I don’t know.
I'd be happy with either Bridges, obviously prefer Mikal given the magic with JB & Hart.
But - he is a restricted FA. Does Charlotte want to keep him? Is there a S&T we can make that makes sense? Fournier, Obi & some draft capital sure would be an upgrade.
Was thinking Charlotte (Jordan) might consider a Randle for Bridges type trade. Maybe Fournier/Heywood types added to make #s work.
I've always thought that Obi would be great on Charlotte team. Pair him with LaMelo and watch them run and fly.
Yep and no D required. LOL
Obi be like “that fits me like a perfectly sized glove”
fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"
We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.
Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey. 
Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.
If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.
I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.
As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.
If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.
As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.
And practice those fing free throws.
Panos wrote:fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"
We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.
It's going to be pretty unbearable around here for the next 5 months.
So, the usual? 
martin wrote:Panos wrote:So, the usual?fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.It's going to be pretty unbearable around here for the next 5 months.Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"
We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.
Yeah, then they'll make a trade and people will be predicting 50 wins again.
GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"
We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.
Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey.
Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.
If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.
I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.
As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.
If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.
As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.
And practice those fing free throws.
Are you sure that he is self aware enough to be talking about himself here? He could just as well be deflecting blame to the rest of the team. He could also hold the opinion that other than himself, there isn't enough talent on the team and he wouldn't be completely wrong. The Knicks need to keep making the playoffs and Randle gets us there. He might be a head case, but he is our head case. I don't see any drastic changes on the horizon. I just hope exit interviews aren't - 'sorry Julius, we will surround you with better talent next year.'
Rookie wrote:100% that comment was a knock on the centers. I am not committed to Randle any more than any other players.GustavBahler wrote:fishmike wrote:this thread and these narratives suck. Randle destroyed NBA all defensive guy Mobley and Mitch practically won the Cle series himself. Those two have been terrible in the Heat series.Celtics core have been together 6 years. Phili has never made it past the 2nd round in the Embiid era. Most people here thought the Knicks were a play in team this year. Now its "move on from Randle and Mitch cause they arent winning us a title"
We have a flawed roster with flawed players. When its not going well it's gonna look bad. Pretty wild change in attitude since the Cle series from the fan base. I get it. As far as the players and who stays/goes I trust the FO to make the right moves. Everyone gets on Randle for what he doesnt do. I get it... but it's what he does do that puts him in that position. 25/10 guys who also pass the ball and never miss games are hard to replace. Its not "enabling" its working with what we have.
Nothing to do with owning a Randle jersey.
Its not so much Randle, but the role he has on the team. I dont believe its hyperbole to state that Randle historically has not been a clutch player. Does not play well in the 4th. Has not been a good playoff performer. Bad would be an accurate decription.
If Jules was 22-23, sure give him time to figure things out. But Randle has been playing for almost a decade now. Almost 30.
I believe the crux of the problem is Randle's role in the offense. You cant have a second option who is as unreliable as Randle has been. Not if the Knicks want to contend.
As its been said. When Jules was talking about the team not wanting it enough. He was really talking about just himself. Randle is strong but not mentally tough. You have as much riding as the Knicks do, on Randle not folding when it matters. I think you're setting yourself up for disappointment.
The Knicks cant contend on his gaudy stats alone. Its also about when he fills up a stat sheet.
If Randle stays it better be with another star ahead of him as a scoring option. Enough of a sample size to believe its necessary.
As for Mitch, if he stays, Brunson needs to spend part of the offseason working on a two man game. Might be the worst chemistry between a starting PG and Center. They need to put in the time to make it work.
And practice those fing free throws.
Are you sure that he is self aware enough to be talking about himself here? He could just as well be deflecting blame to the rest of the team. He could also hold the opinion that other than himself, there isn't enough talent on the team and he wouldn't be completely wrong. The Knicks need to keep making the playoffs and Randle gets us there. He might be a head case, but he is our head case. I don't see any drastic changes on the horizon. I just hope exit interviews aren't - 'sorry Julius, we will surround you with better talent next year.'
Basically I just keep hearing Randle isnt a good first or second option and we have kinda known that for years and have been trying improve that. Brunson has helped. We still have more needs. 5th seed team.