What exactly is his trade value? He'll be 31 at the start of next season with two years on his contract. The second year is a team option. He is the 4th highest salaried player at 18M. With the new CBA less friendly to teams over the cap, Evan should be talking buyout. Other than filler in a bigger deal including assets (players + picks) is he tradable on his own?
He's essentially an expiring contract at a perfect level to be filler in a trade for a star, along with youth and picks.
I also expect Fournier to be traded, but guarantee you it won't be remembered as "the Evan Fournier trade".
I actually like the guy though. He was a pro throughout the entire benching and kept it real/professional with the media. He's certainly got a place in the league, but we're proven better without him.
Evan just stating the obvious. He's been in rumored deals since the starts of the season.
If he could have figured out how to play average defense he could have been a hero here.
Instead we got to witness some of the most generous backcourts in the history of the NBA.
Kudos though, for being professional about the benching.
I don't even know why Evan is complaining. He gets paid a fuckton and he got to spend months with his wife around the time they had a kid.
I still think Thibs should have played him this series.
He’s a pros pro and always stays ready. He’s also not scared.
Never understood the signing at those numbers, but you’re telling me if Thibs wanted to give Brunson a breather we couldn’t have gone with some combination below:
McBride, Barrett, Fournier, Hart, Randle
Or
McBride, Grimes/Barrett, Fournier, Randle, Mitch to buy some time.
Thibs should be fired for the Obi, McBride, IHart lineup he used. The man just doesn’t know how to substitute. He had grimes on the bench in the 4th with Hart out there which made no sense and allowed everyone to double Brunson. Very disappointing how he handled rotations.
Lack of communication between the coach and the front office on that signing, he was never a fit with Thibs. This season was about dead money, 42MM of contracts that couldn’t play in the playoffs and another 28MM that needed to be flushed with a 1st rounder.
With all that the season was still a win. And if the Bucks beat us in 5 games instead of the Heat the fan base is happy right now which is the crazy thing about all this.
Spo would love you man. His zone defense would amount to asking his guys to space themselves exactly around the FT area and nowhere beyond that and enjoy watching the Knicks shoot wide open 3pointers and missing them at a rate that still would make us all cry.
MS wrote:I still think Thibs should have played him this series. He’s a pros pro and always stays ready. He’s also not scared.
Never understood the signing at those numbers, but you’re telling me if Thibs wanted to give Brunson a breather we couldn’t have gone with some combination below:
McBride, Barrett, Fournier, Hart, Randle
Or
McBride, Grimes/Barrett, Fournier, Randle, Mitch to buy some time.
Thibs should be fired for the Obi, McBride, IHart lineup he used. The man just doesn’t know how to substitute. He had grimes on the bench in the 4th with Hart out there which made no sense and allowed everyone to double Brunson. Very disappointing how he handled rotations.
Lack of communication between the coach and the front office on that signing, he was never a fit with Thibs. This season was about dead money, 42MM of contracts that couldn’t play in the playoffs and another 28MM that needed to be flushed with a 1st rounder.
With all that the season was still a win. And if the Bucks beat us in 5 games instead of the Heat the fan base is happy right now which is the crazy thing about all this.
MaTT4281 wrote:He's essentially an expiring contract at a perfect level to be filler in a trade for a star, along with youth and picks.I also expect Fournier to be traded, but guarantee you it won't be remembered as "the Evan Fournier trade".
I actually like the guy though. He was a pro throughout the entire benching and kept it real/professional with the media. He's certainly got a place in the league, but we're proven better without him.
This. EF has little to no trade value other than to make a package for Ayton or KAT somehow work
He couldn’t beat a zone either way. You needed to open up some minutes for Brunson, Fournier should have played.
Thibs was in over his head. We never ran a competent play out of a time out. I wasn’t seeing any consistent plays run outside of isolationz
You want McBride, Grimes, Fournier, Barrett, Randle. You need to try something. Obviously not having IQ hurt, but he could have put IQ in McBrides place before he was injured above.
Evan should have gotten minutes during the final games of the regular season. and I would have liked to have seen him get minutes, especially against Miami.
After rethinking this, I would think about a trade for Ben Simmons and a 1st Rd pick. If you can’t shoot, why not triple down on defense.
MS wrote:I still think Thibs should have played him this series. He’s a pros pro and always stays ready. He’s also not scared.
Never understood the signing at those numbers, but you’re telling me if Thibs wanted to give Brunson a breather we couldn’t have gone with some combination below:
McBride, Barrett, Fournier, Hart, Randle
Or
McBride, Grimes/Barrett, Fournier, Randle, Mitch to buy some time.
Thibs should be fired for the Obi, McBride, IHart lineup he used. The man just doesn’t know how to substitute. He had grimes on the bench in the 4th with Hart out there which made no sense and allowed everyone to double Brunson. Very disappointing how he handled rotations.
Lack of communication between the coach and the front office on that signing, he was never a fit with Thibs. This season was about dead money, 42MM of contracts that couldn’t play in the playoffs and another 28MM that needed to be flushed with a 1st rounder.
With all that the season was still a win. And if the Bucks beat us in 5 games instead of the Heat the fan base is happy right now which is the crazy thing about all this.
No, because
....
Who would he guard in the Cleveland series? Mitchell? Lol what about on the Heat ? How do you think he would fair against Butler? ..... exactly.....
ramtour420 wrote:MS wrote:I still think Thibs should have played him this series. He’s a pros pro and always stays ready. He’s also not scared.
Never understood the signing at those numbers, but you’re telling me if Thibs wanted to give Brunson a breather we couldn’t have gone with some combination below:
McBride, Barrett, Fournier, Hart, Randle
Or
McBride, Grimes/Barrett, Fournier, Randle, Mitch to buy some time.
Thibs should be fired for the Obi, McBride, IHart lineup he used. The man just doesn’t know how to substitute. He had grimes on the bench in the 4th with Hart out there which made no sense and allowed everyone to double Brunson. Very disappointing how he handled rotations.
Lack of communication between the coach and the front office on that signing, he was never a fit with Thibs. This season was about dead money, 42MM of contracts that couldn’t play in the playoffs and another 28MM that needed to be flushed with a 1st rounder.
With all that the season was still a win. And if the Bucks beat us in 5 games instead of the Heat the fan base is happy right now which is the crazy thing about all this.
No, because
....
Who would he guard in the Cleveland series? Mitchell? Lol what about on the Heat ? How do you think he would fair against Butler? ..... exactly.....
Ben simmons was a top defensive player in the league. You might want to revisit that. Can’t shoot, but his cred was defense. Look it up.
I did not read anything in his quotes that he was complaining. He stated the obvious.
Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:MS wrote:I still think Thibs should have played him this series. He’s a pros pro and always stays ready. He’s also not scared.
Never understood the signing at those numbers, but you’re telling me if Thibs wanted to give Brunson a breather we couldn’t have gone with some combination below:
McBride, Barrett, Fournier, Hart, Randle
Or
McBride, Grimes/Barrett, Fournier, Randle, Mitch to buy some time.
Thibs should be fired for the Obi, McBride, IHart lineup he used. The man just doesn’t know how to substitute. He had grimes on the bench in the 4th with Hart out there which made no sense and allowed everyone to double Brunson. Very disappointing how he handled rotations.
Lack of communication between the coach and the front office on that signing, he was never a fit with Thibs. This season was about dead money, 42MM of contracts that couldn’t play in the playoffs and another 28MM that needed to be flushed with a 1st rounder.
With all that the season was still a win. And if the Bucks beat us in 5 games instead of the Heat the fan base is happy right now which is the crazy thing about all this.
No, because
....
Who would he guard in the Cleveland series? Mitchell? Lol what about on the Heat ? How do you think he would fair against Butler? ..... exactly.....
Ben simmons was a top defensive player in the league. You might want to revisit that. Can’t shoot, but his cred was defense. Look it up.
Simmons......hmmm.......
2023/24 $37,893,408
2024/25 $40,338,144
For an oversized Andre Roberson?
Only way he works, IMO is if he is brought in as a bench player somehow, while not giving up anything of value. There is always drama around Ben. and he wouldn't be playing guard. he would have to make his living in the frontcourt.
Nalod wrote:ramtour420 wrote:MS wrote:I still think Thibs should have played him this series. He’s a pros pro and always stays ready. He’s also not scared.
Never understood the signing at those numbers, but you’re telling me if Thibs wanted to give Brunson a breather we couldn’t have gone with some combination below:
McBride, Barrett, Fournier, Hart, Randle
Or
McBride, Grimes/Barrett, Fournier, Randle, Mitch to buy some time.
Thibs should be fired for the Obi, McBride, IHart lineup he used. The man just doesn’t know how to substitute. He had grimes on the bench in the 4th with Hart out there which made no sense and allowed everyone to double Brunson. Very disappointing how he handled rotations.
Lack of communication between the coach and the front office on that signing, he was never a fit with Thibs. This season was about dead money, 42MM of contracts that couldn’t play in the playoffs and another 28MM that needed to be flushed with a 1st rounder.
With all that the season was still a win. And if the Bucks beat us in 5 games instead of the Heat the fan base is happy right now which is the crazy thing about all this.
No, because
....
Who would he guard in the Cleveland series? Mitchell? Lol what about on the Heat ? How do you think he would fair against Butler? ..... exactly.....
Ben simmons was a top defensive player in the league. You might want to revisit that. Can’t shoot, but his cred was defense. Look it up.
We were talking about Fournier. How could Thibs have played Simmons? He isn't on our team
I don’t see a world were Josh hart and Simmons co-exist off the bench.
Simmons drama? I get it but reality is he was a tender soul who got thrown under the bus then his back injury.
Im just talking about his defense. The kid was never a shooter, he was an allstar because of defense and playmaking.
A healthy Simmons next to JB would be pretty strong pairing on paper. But paper don’t play and he is not proven healthy so its just words.
CP3 gets bought out for 15mil. Do we take him as part of a bigger trade? My numbers don’t work but:
Mitch
EF
IQ
1st round pick.
For Ayton and CP3. CP3 plays behind Brunson and some with him when gone small. This is a one season thing for CP3 here.
Why?
I think an Ayton (if bought in ) can be a monster if he lets Thibs in his head and it will free up Randle to get easier buckets.
Also CP3 is quite salty a personality. It be good for Randle to see somone who complains more than he does. This is sarcasm gents.
PHX is all in now and IQ can step in and start. Got that Kentucky alum thing too. Means little. About as much as saying “KAT IS CAA”. EF gets a role off the bench and throw in some protected pick.
THis is predicated on one belief: Its not who ayton is now, but what can he be? He is still young and has the physical tools. If his head is not right, or he is not a super hard worker then we don’t do this. This is about bringing in yet another player who can rise. This is about him loving to play and work and handle Thibs and his. Intensity. He is different because he needs to play up to his contract. He will be 25 this summer, 7 foot 250 solid build, 3 years and about 100 mil left on his deal. I’d rather not do anything with CP3 but that might be a big deal for PHX and could make the deal less expensive. He will be injured giving Deuce room to play.
This keeps Grimes, RJ, and if IQ out, Maybe ROkas gets a Two year make good path here.
Nalod wrote:I don’t see a world were Josh hart and Simmons co-exist off the bench.
Simmons drama? I get it but reality is he was a tender soul who got thrown under the bus then his back injury.
Im just talking about his defense. The kid was never a shooter, he was an allstar because of defense and playmaking.
A healthy Simmons next to JB would be pretty strong pairing on paper. But paper don’t play and he is not proven healthy so its just words. CP3 gets bought out for 15mil. Do we take him as part of a bigger trade? My numbers don’t work but:
Mitch
EF
IQ
1st round pick.
For Ayton and CP3. CP3 plays behind Brunson and some with him when gone small. This is a one season thing for CP3 here.
Why?
I think an Ayton (if bought in ) can be a monster if he lets Thibs in his head and it will free up Randle to get easier buckets.
Also CP3 is quite salty a personality. It be good for Randle to see somone who complains more than he does. This is sarcasm gents.
PHX is all in now and IQ can step in and start. Got that Kentucky alum thing too. Means little. About as much as saying “KAT IS CAA”. EF gets a role off the bench and throw in some protected pick.
THis is predicated on one belief: Its not who ayton is now, but what can he be? He is still young and has the physical tools. If his head is not right, or he is not a super hard worker then we don’t do this. This is about bringing in yet another player who can rise. This is about him loving to play and work and handle Thibs and his. Intensity. He is different because he needs to play up to his contract. He will be 25 this summer, 7 foot 250 solid build, 3 years and about 100 mil left on his deal. I’d rather not do anything with CP3 but that might be a big deal for PHX and could make the deal less expensive. He will be injured giving Deuce room to play.
This keeps Grimes, RJ, and if IQ out, Maybe ROkas gets a Two year make good path here.
If Knicks picked up Derrick Rose s option they could toss him in for that deal, but I don't see why Phoenix would trade CP and Ayton for IQ and Robinson. They don't need picks, they need players.
gradyandrew wrote:Nalod wrote:I don’t see a world were Josh hart and Simmons co-exist off the bench.
Simmons drama? I get it but reality is he was a tender soul who got thrown under the bus then his back injury.
Im just talking about his defense. The kid was never a shooter, he was an allstar because of defense and playmaking.
A healthy Simmons next to JB would be pretty strong pairing on paper. But paper don’t play and he is not proven healthy so its just words. CP3 gets bought out for 15mil. Do we take him as part of a bigger trade? My numbers don’t work but:
Mitch
EF
IQ
1st round pick.
For Ayton and CP3. CP3 plays behind Brunson and some with him when gone small. This is a one season thing for CP3 here.
Why?
I think an Ayton (if bought in ) can be a monster if he lets Thibs in his head and it will free up Randle to get easier buckets.
Also CP3 is quite salty a personality. It be good for Randle to see somone who complains more than he does. This is sarcasm gents.
PHX is all in now and IQ can step in and start. Got that Kentucky alum thing too. Means little. About as much as saying “KAT IS CAA”. EF gets a role off the bench and throw in some protected pick.
THis is predicated on one belief: Its not who ayton is now, but what can he be? He is still young and has the physical tools. If his head is not right, or he is not a super hard worker then we don’t do this. This is about bringing in yet another player who can rise. This is about him loving to play and work and handle Thibs and his. Intensity. He is different because he needs to play up to his contract. He will be 25 this summer, 7 foot 250 solid build, 3 years and about 100 mil left on his deal. I’d rather not do anything with CP3 but that might be a big deal for PHX and could make the deal less expensive. He will be injured giving Deuce room to play.
This keeps Grimes, RJ, and if IQ out, Maybe ROkas gets a Two year make good path here.
If Knicks picked up Derrick Rose s option they could toss him in for that deal, but I don't see why Phoenix would trade CP and Ayton for IQ and Robinson. They don't need picks, they need players.
and I just gave them two starters, and EF off the bench. The pick is the always "sweetner" go make a fans trade look better. My assumption is they move on from CP3. Is IQ ready for starting on a contender? He'd have it pretty easy playing along Booker and KD.
ToddTT wrote:If he could have figured out how to play average defense he could have been a hero here.Instead we got to witness some of the most generous backcourts in the history of the NBA.
Kudos though, for being professional about the benching.
agree with all of the above
also we should be very wary about pursuing anyone the Celts effectively let go.
