Knicks · Joel Embiid watch (page 2)
newyorknewyork wrote:KnickDanger wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Look what the Wolves gave up for Gobert. Think Emblid will be less? Also same division and all that. Pipe dream.I am really against these type of ideas. Continue to build realistically and soberly. Not what some want I know.
-Wolves only had Beasley as a decently productive player in the deal which is why they had to trade so many draft picks. Randle and RJ reduce the amount of draft picks needed to be sent back.
-I don't see the great options for Philly. If Harden bolts how do they improve? Why would Embiid want to stay? Knicks have the collection proven talent, prospects and draft picks that not many other teams have. Where they can have a playoff team to buy time with added draft capital flexibility to make future moves.- This is part of building. The nice thing about this team is the amount of depth. Even if we did the proposed deal in the op. The team would still feature Embiid, Obi, Harris, Hart, Brunson, IQ, Hartenstien, Mcbride, Simms (Rokas?). And should still have some decent draft capital left over.
Jazz also got Vanderbilt who a lot of posters here were wanting. And Walker Kessler, an NBA player it would seem. But then there's those 4 firsts, 3 unprotected, 1 top 5 protected, plus a swap.
But my point is really if that is what it cost for Gobert, then what is going to cost for Emblid? Much more I think.
Utah cared mostly about draft capital because they wanted a full tear down rebuild. Which is why they also ended up trading Beasley and Vanderbuilt for more draft capital. Kessler was a draft pick/prospect that panned out not a proven commodity. I don't see Philly wanting a full tear down rebuild. What the Knicks can offer are players that can help them make playoffs, along with some draft capital to improve on that.
Philly as it stands right now if they lose Harden. They only have 1 first round draft pick over these next 3 drafts. Don't have a 1st in this upcoming draft. They can't trade their 2024 or 2026 draft pick due to the rule that you can't trade picks in consecutive yrs. They will have some cap space. But the FA market isn't great. Not enough to make a difference.
They could very well be a play in exit team next yr.
Philly are definitely in a very weird spot if they lost Harden, and they could lose Harden for nothing. I'd guess if James goes back to Houston it'll be a sign and trade so all sides could get something out of the move but Philly will be left with Tobias Harris (1 year deal), Embiib, Maxey (rookie extension eligible just like IQ) and a big fat Trade Exception and a lot of decisions to make.
It'll be so much fun reading about how Morey handles Harden going back to Houston and that whole negotiation.
Philly's 2023 1st round pick is gone to Utah but their 2024, 2026 is their own with 2025 protected 1-6, 1-4, 1-4 in subsequent years and 2027 protected 1-8, 1-8.
Time to start The Process over again? Or watch Embiid do his best Randle playoff impression again again again 
martin wrote:What's everyone's take on the baseline trade if Embiid coming to NY?Embiid, Tobias for Mitch, Randle, Fournier, Obi, plus picks?
If Silver does the right thing in the coming days 
that could go a long way. 3 draft picks for 2024 also is nice due to lessoning the long term aspect of picks.
Philly would probably want Grimes over Obi due to him and Randle playing the same position. That then opens up a path with Rokus for us or Philly in place of a first or 2.
newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:What's everyone's take on the baseline trade if Embiid coming to NY?Embiid, Tobias for Mitch, Randle, Fournier, Obi, plus picks?
If Silver does the right thing in the coming days
Philly would probably want Grimes over Obi due to him and Randle playing the same position. That then opens up a path with Rokus for us or Philly in place of a first or 2.
Could just be me but I don't think Knicks would be willing to give up on Grimes or IQ in a big trade UNLESS they also getting back a wing player (or perhaps the #11 pick comes through), just as with Donovan talks.
martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:What's everyone's take on the baseline trade if Embiid coming to NY?Embiid, Tobias for Mitch, Randle, Fournier, Obi, plus picks?
If Silver does the right thing in the coming days
Philly would probably want Grimes over Obi due to him and Randle playing the same position. That then opens up a path with Rokus for us or Philly in place of a first or 2.
Could just be me but I don't think Knicks would be willing to give up on Grimes or IQ in a big trade UNLESS they also getting back a wing player (or perhaps the #11 pick comes through), just as with Donovan talks.
The the deal is dead. Embiid has his faults, but he still one of the top 5 players in the league. Entirely different monster than Donovan Mitchell. If you're preparing a package, than you have to be prepared to give up anyone short of Brunson.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:What's everyone's take on the baseline trade if Embiid coming to NY?Embiid, Tobias for Mitch, Randle, Fournier, Obi, plus picks?
If Silver does the right thing in the coming days
Philly would probably want Grimes over Obi due to him and Randle playing the same position. That then opens up a path with Rokus for us or Philly in place of a first or 2.
Could just be me but I don't think Knicks would be willing to give up on Grimes or IQ in a big trade UNLESS they also getting back a wing player (or perhaps the #11 pick comes through), just as with Donovan talks.
The the deal is dead. Embiid has his faults, but he still one of the top 5 players in the league. Entirely different monster than Donovan Mitchell. If you're preparing a package, than you have to be prepared to give up anyone short of Brunson.
Thing is the Knicks don't HAVE to go after Embiid. Philly on the other hand would be in a pretty crappy situation if Harden bolts to Houston.
Durant is another solid comparison. Mikal, Cam, 4 first and a 2028 pick swap.
martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:What's everyone's take on the baseline trade if Embiid coming to NY?Embiid, Tobias for Mitch, Randle, Fournier, Obi, plus picks?
If Silver does the right thing in the coming days
Philly would probably want Grimes over Obi due to him and Randle playing the same position. That then opens up a path with Rokus for us or Philly in place of a first or 2.
Could just be me but I don't think Knicks would be willing to give up on Grimes or IQ in a big trade UNLESS they also getting back a wing player (or perhaps the #11 pick comes through), just as with Donovan talks.
Possible that it could be worked around where Obi was moved for another piece that was directed to Philly in Grimes place.
BigDaddyG wrote:martin wrote:newyorknewyork wrote:martin wrote:What's everyone's take on the baseline trade if Embiid coming to NY?Embiid, Tobias for Mitch, Randle, Fournier, Obi, plus picks?
If Silver does the right thing in the coming days
Philly would probably want Grimes over Obi due to him and Randle playing the same position. That then opens up a path with Rokus for us or Philly in place of a first or 2.
Could just be me but I don't think Knicks would be willing to give up on Grimes or IQ in a big trade UNLESS they also getting back a wing player (or perhaps the #11 pick comes through), just as with Donovan talks.
The the deal is dead. Embiid has his faults, but he still one of the top 5 players in the league. Entirely different monster than Donovan Mitchell. If you're preparing a package, than you have to be prepared to give up anyone short of Brunson.
He is absolutely a monster. Who has gotten as far as Donovan and now Randle in terms of playoff depth run. With bad knees. And a ginormous contract.
IMHO I'd guess that the Knicks FO will probably have the same type of limit they did with Donovan because of the above. Contract, knees.
Maybe that limit is only one of Grimes/IQ. Maybe I'm wrong