Knicks · Fill small needs or a big move. What's ahead of us and who is available. (page 2)
HofstraBBall wrote:After recovering from a disappointing game six, can honestly say we had a real good year.
FO hit a home run signing a fringe player that has now proven he is a legitimate All Star.
Randle recovered from a disappointing year to become an All Star/All NBA for second time.
IQ had a great year proving he is a legitimate piece. Especially as a sixth man.
Small additions of JHart and IHart proved how important glue guys can be.As good as we were, now it's time to improve.
Some needs:
JB needs a legitimate co Star next to him. Someone that will shine in the bright lights and pressure. Like how he just did throughout the playoffs.
We need pro shooters. Been saying for many years, this is three point league. We need guys that are efficient from the 3 pt. line.
We need some scoring out of our 5. Love MR but elite teams have more versatile player at 5.
We need to improve our bench. As we saw in the Miami series, unproven yoots are not enough in the playoffs. Miami has several vets that came off their bench.With that being said, I will stay away from who the additional star may be. Since their are not really any readily available. Only a move that would stem from things no one really sees right now.
However, I think it's time to offer up some of our draft assets, couple of our hopefuls and either Randle or RJ. Randle production will be hard to replace for the amount he is making. He provides much needed rebounding and a physical presence but not consistent enough when it counts. May have been Bams defense and injury but he provides little in Miami series. RJ is a tough guy to stop going to the basket. Great work ethic and attitude. But he too is undependable and inconsistent. He also lacks the outside shooting needed Would be okay with keeping one but not both. Which one goes will depend on their viable replacement. Right now, seems like RJ is easier to replace or improve on. But open to say Ingram or someone else close to Randle's production for him.Possible additions.
Center position. Brook Lopez or Vucevic.
Lopez is extremely efficient and an excellent defender. May be hard to pry away from Bucks but they will have a new coach and who knows what the preference will be Vucevic is a talented offensive player and would add much more versatility at the 5. Possibility Bulls ignore him in FA with the organization seeking direction.Bench help:
Move Grimes back to bench if we add a high profile SG. He excelled their a year ago. Until he gets more experience. Have said it before, right now he play like someone is screaming at him to hurry up. Need to improve his inner clock. Also, improve bench by adding some FAs available such as Seth Curry, Lonnie Walker, Ingles, Niang and Alec Burks as possible options. All solid shooters and have experience. Lastly, keep JHart and I Hart.As for the big names, aside from ones we cannot see yet, feel the move that would make the most difference is getting a Professional two way SF. Move on from RJ and get a true three and D SF. May have to pull the bandaid off for my suggestion OG. Maybe Bridges. If we move on from Randle, I would like to see the Knicks go after Grant in FA.
Excited about improving. Whether it's with small additions, shooting or a big move.
What are these hypothetical Randle/ RJ trades? Nothing annoys me more than the trade x player and draft picks for "a true number one" or in this case "a true number two" option. All-star and near all-star players are traded from teams looking to rebuild to teams looking to make a push. How does Randle fit in?
Are we trading him to a team looking to go all in who for some reason is going to trade a better player?
Are we trading him to a team looking to rebuild who will now have a 28 year old all NBA All-Star on their roster?
Are you thinking about a Halliburton/ Hield for Sabonis trade where teams are trading players at different positions? Just say Randle for X players and we can talk about it.
Not sure if you have been reading the news but Bucks and Philly fired their coaches and Knicks handily beat the Cavs. Can this same core compete for a top 3 conference record next season? I say yes.
We talking about playing for grumpy Rick Carlisle?
In the city of Indianapolis Vs PHX. Thats just wrong! LOL
LivingLegend wrote:houston20 wrote:I would trade Mitch butter fingers Robinson for deandre ayton, I think ayton needs a chance of scenery he is better offensively than Robinson. Mitch complains about touches but when he gets ball to scared to score unless it’s a dunk, can’t make free throws because teams do hack a Mitch. I would trade obi for Chris Duarte of the pacers both players aren’t in there current teams plan.Yeah - I would be interested to know what price is for Ayton. He was definitely pissed at Sun’s mgmt for matching his offer sheet from the Hawks (?) and I think he’s a guy that need to be more involved. I’m not sure if he’s lazy or a pain in ass or he just wants out- I know he had issues with Monti.
Would I trade Mitch for Ayton? Yes but $ don’t match. Mitch/Obi/Fournier for Ayton/Shamet works.
I liked Duarte year 1 but man with injury and poor shooting he looked BAD last year.
I’ll do Mitch, Fournier and a couple protected picks for Ayton. Ayton is a rare buy-low prospect at his age. He doesn’t want to be in Phoenix. He’s way better than he’s shown the last couple of years. He’s not a shot blocker but he’s a great rim protector. He has some offensive skill. He’s more of a thibs center than people realize.
Knixkik wrote:LivingLegend wrote:houston20 wrote:I would trade Mitch butter fingers Robinson for deandre ayton, I think ayton needs a chance of scenery he is better offensively than Robinson. Mitch complains about touches but when he gets ball to scared to score unless it’s a dunk, can’t make free throws because teams do hack a Mitch. I would trade obi for Chris Duarte of the pacers both players aren’t in there current teams plan.Yeah - I would be interested to know what price is for Ayton. He was definitely pissed at Sun’s mgmt for matching his offer sheet from the Hawks (?) and I think he’s a guy that need to be more involved. I’m not sure if he’s lazy or a pain in ass or he just wants out- I know he had issues with Monti.
Would I trade Mitch for Ayton? Yes but $ don’t match. Mitch/Obi/Fournier for Ayton/Shamet works.
I liked Duarte year 1 but man with injury and poor shooting he looked BAD last year.
I’ll do Mitch, Fournier and a couple protected picks for Ayton. Ayton is a rare buy-low prospect at his age. He doesn’t want to be in Phoenix. He’s way better than he’s shown the last couple of years. He’s not a shot blocker but he’s a great rim protector. He has some offensive skill. He’s more of a thibs center than people realize.
Not sure that I think Ayton would be a good fit... but assuming he would be I could really see Randle flourish if he went to Phx. Playing 3rd fiddle after Booker and KD would be an ideal role for him. Less pressure, brings physicality and rebounding while still spacing the way Phx likes to play. Only because I would maybe consider Ayton but only because I truly believe Randle or RJ has to go and I don't see many good options for both sides.
Nalod wrote:Ayton mad about PHX matching Indy.
We talking about playing for grumpy Rick Carlisle?
In the city of Indianapolis Vs PHX. Thats just wrong! LOL
Imo have it wrong - thought he’d signed with the Hawks. Maybe he wasn’t mad about the match - thought I heard he was not.
jskinny35 wrote:Knixkik wrote:LivingLegend wrote:houston20 wrote:I would trade Mitch butter fingers Robinson for deandre ayton, I think ayton needs a chance of scenery he is better offensively than Robinson. Mitch complains about touches but when he gets ball to scared to score unless it’s a dunk, can’t make free throws because teams do hack a Mitch. I would trade obi for Chris Duarte of the pacers both players aren’t in there current teams plan.Yeah - I would be interested to know what price is for Ayton. He was definitely pissed at Sun’s mgmt for matching his offer sheet from the Hawks (?) and I think he’s a guy that need to be more involved. I’m not sure if he’s lazy or a pain in ass or he just wants out- I know he had issues with Mont.
Would I trade Mitch for Ayton? Yes but $ don’t match. Mitch/Obi/Fournier for Ayton/Shamet works.
I liked Duarte year 1 but man with injury and poor shooting he looked BAD last year.
I’ll do Mitch, Fournier and a couple protected picks for Ayton. Ayton is a rare buy-low prospect at his age. He doesn’t want to be in Phoenix. He’s way better than he’s shown the last couple of years. He’s not a shot blocker but he’s a great rim protector. He has some offensive skill. He’s more of a thibs center than people realize.
Not sure that I think Ayton would be a good fit... but assuming he would be I could really see Randle flourish if he went to Phx. Playing 3rd fiddle after Booker and KD would be an ideal role for him. Less pressure, brings physicality and rebounding while still spacing the way Phx likes to play. Only because I would maybe consider Ayton but only because I truly believe Randle or RJ has to go and I don't see many good options for both sides.
What are.the cap and tax ramifications of.traring Fournier's expiring, probably some picks, and Mitchell Robinson for Ayton? Does it mean we will be unable to match offers for IQ and Obi next summer?
ramtour420 wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:How about both?That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?
For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.
Obi would average a double double if he was full time
gradyandrew wrote:jskinny35 wrote:Knixkik wrote:LivingLegend wrote:houston20 wrote:I would trade Mitch butter fingers Robinson for deandre ayton, I think ayton needs a chance of scenery he is better offensively than Robinson. Mitch complains about touches but when he gets ball to scared to score unless it’s a dunk, can’t make free throws because teams do hack a Mitch. I would trade obi for Chris Duarte of the pacers both players aren’t in there current teams plan.Yeah - I would be interested to know what price is for Ayton. He was definitely pissed at Sun’s mgmt for matching his offer sheet from the Hawks (?) and I think he’s a guy that need to be more involved. I’m not sure if he’s lazy or a pain in ass or he just wants out- I know he had issues with Mont.
Would I trade Mitch for Ayton? Yes but $ don’t match. Mitch/Obi/Fournier for Ayton/Shamet works.
I liked Duarte year 1 but man with injury and poor shooting he looked BAD last year.
I’ll do Mitch, Fournier and a couple protected picks for Ayton. Ayton is a rare buy-low prospect at his age. He doesn’t want to be in Phoenix. He’s way better than he’s shown the last couple of years. He’s not a shot blocker but he’s a great rim protector. He has some offensive skill. He’s more of a thibs center than people realize.
Not sure that I think Ayton would be a good fit... but assuming he would be I could really see Randle flourish if he went to Phx. Playing 3rd fiddle after Booker and KD would be an ideal role for him. Less pressure, brings physicality and rebounding while still spacing the way Phx likes to play. Only because I would maybe consider Ayton but only because I truly believe Randle or RJ has to go and I don't see many good options for both sides.
What are.the cap and tax ramifications of.traring Fournier's expiring, probably some picks, and Mitchell Robinson for Ayton? Does it mean we will be unable to match offers for IQ and Obi next summer?
Those I don’t know but just looking at Ayton #’s and kid is 3 months younger vs Mitch (Ayton still 24). Guy is remarkably consistent - basically 17/10 every year. Shoots 60% Fg and 75% ft. Avg. 3 orb’s, 1 block and almost 2 assists a game. I do understand there seem to be some attitude issues - but this a buy low target who is a really solid player. This isn’t KAT defensively - it’s really about is he fully motivated (I don’t know).
Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Obi would average a double double if he was full timeblkexec wrote:If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.HofstraBBall wrote:Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?Philc1 wrote:How about both?That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Knixkik wrote:To me the move that is still out there in plain sight is Bojan Bogdanovic from Detroit. He would solve some shooting and scoring gaps and is bigger so he wouldn’t get run off the court defensively like Fournier. Thibs can mainly have him guard backup 4s and slower 3s and he’s fine. Knicks own 2 Detroit picks (their protected first and next year’s second) and I’m sure they would love them back. Some combination of Toppin, either drose or Fournier contract, and those picks gets it done. Detroit dropping to 5th may make them think a little more long term than if they got Wembanyama. Just think he’s the best player available on a rebuilding team and he fits perfectly. He’s older but I’m not as concerned about that. Knicks need to take a step forward and he seems to plug a major hole.
Bojan is a great scorer/shooter and highly underrated, but I don't recall him being much of a defender.
VDesai wrote:Knixkik wrote:To me the move that is still out there in plain sight is Bojan Bogdanovic from Detroit. He would solve some shooting and scoring gaps and is bigger so he wouldn’t get run off the court defensively like Fournier. Thibs can mainly have him guard backup 4s and slower 3s and he’s fine. Knicks own 2 Detroit picks (their protected first and next year’s second) and I’m sure they would love them back. Some combination of Toppin, either drose or Fournier contract, and those picks gets it done. Detroit dropping to 5th may make them think a little more long term than if they got Wembanyama. Just think he’s the best player available on a rebuilding team and he fits perfectly. He’s older but I’m not as concerned about that. Knicks need to take a step forward and he seems to plug a major hole.Bojan is a great scorer/shooter and highly underrated, but I don't recall him being much of a defender.
He’s not much of a defender but he’s passable.
Panos wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Obi would average a double double if he was full timeblkexec wrote:If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.HofstraBBall wrote:Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?Philc1 wrote:How about both?That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Randle and Obi shot the same percentage from 3 this season. This idea that we have no way to score without Randle is not valid
Philc1 wrote:Panos wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Obi would average a double double if he was full timeblkexec wrote:If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.HofstraBBall wrote:Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?Philc1 wrote:How about both?That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Randle and Obi shot the same percentage from 3 this season. This idea that we have no way to score without Randle is not valid
If one can superimpose per 36 min as an indicator then Obi at his current rate extrapolated would average 7.2 Rebounds per game and over 17pts.
So other than philC lazy words, were do you base your statement from?
YOur in a room with some hard core knick fans. Bring something or your just wasting time.
gradyandrew wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:After recovering from a disappointing game six, can honestly say we had a real good year.
FO hit a home run signing a fringe player that has now proven he is a legitimate All Star.
Randle recovered from a disappointing year to become an All Star/All NBA for second time.
IQ had a great year proving he is a legitimate piece. Especially as a sixth man.
Small additions of JHart and IHart proved how important glue guys can be.As good as we were, now it's time to improve.
Some needs:
JB needs a legitimate co Star next to him. Someone that will shine in the bright lights and pressure. Like how he just did throughout the playoffs.
We need pro shooters. Been saying for many years, this is three point league. We need guys that are efficient from the 3 pt. line.
We need some scoring out of our 5. Love MR but elite teams have more versatile player at 5.
We need to improve our bench. As we saw in the Miami series, unproven yoots are not enough in the playoffs. Miami has several vets that came off their bench.With that being said, I will stay away from who the additional star may be. Since their are not really any readily available. Only a move that would stem from things no one really sees right now.
However, I think it's time to offer up some of our draft assets, couple of our hopefuls and either Randle or RJ. Randle production will be hard to replace for the amount he is making. He provides much needed rebounding and a physical presence but not consistent enough when it counts. May have been Bams defense and injury but he provides little in Miami series. RJ is a tough guy to stop going to the basket. Great work ethic and attitude. But he too is undependable and inconsistent. He also lacks the outside shooting needed Would be okay with keeping one but not both. Which one goes will depend on their viable replacement. Right now, seems like RJ is easier to replace or improve on. But open to say Ingram or someone else close to Randle's production for him.Possible additions.
Center position. Brook Lopez or Vucevic.
Lopez is extremely efficient and an excellent defender. May be hard to pry away from Bucks but they will have a new coach and who knows what the preference will be Vucevic is a talented offensive player and would add much more versatility at the 5. Possibility Bulls ignore him in FA with the organization seeking direction.Bench help:
Move Grimes back to bench if we add a high profile SG. He excelled their a year ago. Until he gets more experience. Have said it before, right now he play like someone is screaming at him to hurry up. Need to improve his inner clock. Also, improve bench by adding some FAs available such as Seth Curry, Lonnie Walker, Ingles, Niang and Alec Burks as possible options. All solid shooters and have experience. Lastly, keep JHart and I Hart.As for the big names, aside from ones we cannot see yet, feel the move that would make the most difference is getting a Professional two way SF. Move on from RJ and get a true three and D SF. May have to pull the bandaid off for my suggestion OG. Maybe Bridges. If we move on from Randle, I would like to see the Knicks go after Grant in FA.
Excited about improving. Whether it's with small additions, shooting or a big move.
What are these hypothetical Randle/ RJ trades? Nothing annoys me more than the trade x player and draft picks for "a true number one" or in this case "a true number two" option. All-star and near all-star players are traded from teams looking to rebuild to teams looking to make a push. How does Randle fit in?Are we trading him to a team looking to go all in who for some reason is going to trade a better player?
Are we trading him to a team looking to rebuild who will now have a 28 year old all NBA All-Star on their roster?
Are you thinking about a Halliburton/ Hield for Sabonis trade where teams are trading players at different positions? Just say Randle for X players and we can talk about it.
Not sure if you have been reading the news but Bucks and Philly fired their coaches and Knicks handily beat the Cavs. Can this same core compete for a top 3 conference record next season? I say yes.
Would agree about not being a fan of hypothetical.
As annoying is the many so called proposed trades that have NO shot of ever getting done.
Especially given the New York over hype arena. Way too many 'proposals" that have no chance of happening. As mentioned, think certain unforseen events would probably happen in order for a possible candidate to manifest itself. As was the case when the Jazz decided to blow things up over the summer.
Btw, mentioned Grant as a replacement for Randle.
And OG as a replacement for RJ.
The main premise is that we need to get a number two options. Grant would be one. If looking for possible number two to replace RJ, we can throw Lavine in there. But if mentioning Lavine or any trade I would need to see what exactly is the package we are giving up.
Also, pretty clear I am a fan of Randle and RJ. And not for just giving them away without knowing who will replace them. However, my point is that if we are to improve, it was obvious neither of them can be that elite second options who can be counted on. Secondly, that having three ball needy players affects ball movement.
Main part of my post was that there are several smaller pieces that we can add in FA IF we want to stay away from major moves. Which I am okay with. Also clearly listed areas of need.
Philc1 wrote:Panos wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Obi would average a double double if he was full timeblkexec wrote:If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.HofstraBBall wrote:Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?Philc1 wrote:How about both?That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Randle and Obi shot the same percentage from 3 this season. This idea that we have no way to score without Randle is not valid
That's not exactly a strong argument for double double potential. Do not see any indication that Obi would be able to take on same role as Randle as a double digit rebounder. Additionally, believe that would take away one of Obi's strengths. That being early transition. Also many on here do not understand how hard it is to average a double double. Especially when you are the first or second options on a team. Which immediately puts you in the defensive plan for opposing team each night. Take into consideration how hard it is to score when teams double team you anytime you are anywhere near the basket. Do you see ANY team double teaming Obi?
I loved Obi as our pick. Realized it was a mistake. This smells so much like Frank. Loved when in a back up roll . Everyone hoped they would be more. Unfortunately, limited ceilings are sometimes obvious but hard for some to admit to.
Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my listAgreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
HofstraBBall wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my listAgreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
injuries and attitude. I'd pass
I started a rumor in the other thread. We should consider Dame. he's on a way different timeline than the rest of their talent, e.g., simon and sharpe. He could do the Mitch version of "Foul That" and say "Zone that"
though he's small i played him at 2. i think there wuold be some real benefit to having another ballhandler as i expect the good teams to try and run Jalen ragged the way Heat did. Given his age hopefully he's not ridiculoously expensive but i wouldn't be surprised if he still has a lot of game in him
We need clutch shooting more than anything
HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:Panos wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:Obi would average a double double if he was full timeblkexec wrote:If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.HofstraBBall wrote:Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?Philc1 wrote:How about both?That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Randle and Obi shot the same percentage from 3 this season. This idea that we have no way to score without Randle is not valid
That's not exactly a strong argument for double double potential. Do not see any indication that Obi would be able to take on same role as Randle as a double digit rebounder. Additionally, believe that would take away one of Obi's strengths. That being early transition. Also many on here do not understand how hard it is to average a double double. Especially when you are the first or second options on a team. Which immediately puts you in the defensive plan for opposing team each night. Take into consideration how hard it is to score when teams double team you anytime you are anywhere near the basket. Do you see ANY team double teaming Obi?
I loved Obi as our pick. Realized it was a mistake. This smells so much like Frank. Loved when in a back up roll . Everyone hoped they would be more. Unfortunately, limited ceilings are sometimes obvious but hard for some to admit to.
Obi in his career has 15 games as a starter. In these 15 games he is averaging 20.8pts, 5.7rebs, 3.1ast, 57.6FG% 44.03PT%, 83.7FT%, 69.7TS%, 136ORTG, 116 DRTG. His lone playoff start he put up 18-8-1stl 46.7% 36.4% from 3.
While I don't see a double double. Obi if knowing he was getting 30 plus mins without fear of being pulled. Especially consistently game to game getting a nice feel. He is def a player capable of putting some nice offensive numbers up. For IQ Thibs decided(Out of his own mouth) he was a better player when mins were consistent and he can get in a better flow game to game. Same goes for Obi honestly.
I will say at this stage of their careers, I don't believe Obi impacts winning the level that Randle does during the regular season though. Randle can be handed the ball and get a bucket when needed. Obi hasn't shown to be that level of player yet. He can def get his in the flow though.
In an open high pace system like the Kings, Obi would probably put up some borderline All star numbers and great dunks though. The issue is that Obi isn't as useful off the bench for the makeup of this current team. And would be more useful player as a starter. Also would nice to see him have a full season as starter to evaluate before time runs out on rookie contract. But would that be worth sacrificing Randle for? On a team looking to take another step? As could be a step backwards if Obi isn't a player whose numbers produce wins.
I will say I do like the idea of a Vooch/Obi front court. Add in another 3pt shooting forward to that and Brunson/Hart/RJ/IQ would have way more spacing to work with.
but for a guy with his athleticism he plays way too soft. Highlight dunks on leak outs is one thing. Throwing it down in traffic, refusing to be denied ala Kevin Garnett is another.
if he's going to be soft on D, he needs to be more ferocious on offense (including rebounding)
Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my listAgreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
injuries and attitude. I'd pass
I started a rumor in the other thread. We should consider Dame. he's on a way different timeline than the rest of their talent, e.g., simon and sharpe. He could do the Mitch version of "Foul That" and say "Zone that"
though he's small i played him at 2. i think there wuold be some real benefit to having another ballhandler as i expect the good teams to try and run Jalen ragged the way Heat did. Given his age hopefully he's not ridiculoously expensive but i wouldn't be surprised if he still has a lot of game in him
We need clutch shooting more than anything
Let me play devil's advocate on why you would not want to bring Dame here. He's 33 with some previous injury history and making between $45 - $63M per year over the next 4 years. You'll likley trade a significant amount to bring him here, including picks and have to match salaries.....i.e. something like Randle & EF. You also end up having 2 small guards and ultimately a 37 year old Dame making $63M in salary on your roster in 2026.