Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my list
Agreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
injuries and attitude. I'd pass
I started a rumor in the other thread. We should consider Dame. he's on a way different timeline than the rest of their talent, e.g., simon and sharpe. He could do the Mitch version of "Foul That" and say "Zone that"
though he's small i played him at 2. i think there wuold be some real benefit to having another ballhandler as i expect the good teams to try and run Jalen ragged the way Heat did. Given his age hopefully he's not ridiculoously expensive but i wouldn't be surprised if he still has a lot of game in him
We need clutch shooting more than anything
Let me play devil's advocate on why you would not want to bring Dame here. He's 33 with some previous injury history and making between $45 - $63M per year over the next 4 years. You'll likley trade a significant amount to bring him here, including picks and have to match salaries.....i.e. something like Randle & EF. You also end up having 2 small guards and ultimately a 37 year old Dame making $63M in salary on your roster in 2026.
Regarding Obi:
I'd say based on what we've seen - he's sort of like Aaron Gordon, with less playmaking ability - it's a bit like comparing Blake Griffin and Amare.
I was thinking whether the Knicks could get more output from a backup SF/PF. The thing is that Obi's big strength is running the floor and finishing above the rim. Nice when they're playing a team that's crashing the offensive board (making them vulnerable to fast breaks), but in a half court set, Obi is generally limited to spot 3pt shooting.
Obi is an awesome injury-replacement option for Randle, so long as Randle is injured enough that he actually sits. Our coach likes to play hobbled players big minutes if they say they can go. Randle has been one of the relative iron men of the league.
I think you can upgrade the team if you replace Obi with a veteran stretch 4 that has positional versatility to play either SF or C (ie a big 3pt shooter with size think someone like Gallinari or a Morris twin). Tho that same player wouldn't be as effective if he had to sub in for Randle for a whole game.
technomaster wrote:Regarding Obi:
I'd say based on what we've seen - he's sort of like Aaron Gordon, with less playmaking ability - it's a bit like comparing Blake Griffin and Amare.I was thinking whether the Knicks could get more output from a backup SF/PF. The thing is that Obi's big strength is running the floor and finishing above the rim. Nice when they're playing a team that's crashing the offensive board (making them vulnerable to fast breaks), but in a half court set, Obi is generally limited to spot 3pt shooting.
Obi is an awesome injury-replacement option for Randle, so long as Randle is injured enough that he actually sits. Our coach likes to play hobbled players big minutes if they say they can go. Randle has been one of the relative iron men of the league.
I think you can upgrade the team if you replace Obi with a veteran stretch 4 that has positional versatility to play either SF or C (ie a big 3pt shooter with size think someone like Gallinari or a Morris twin).
Tho that same player wouldn't be as effective if he had to sub in for Randle for a whole game.
Yeah man, that's why I'm pulling for KAT.
foosballnick wrote:Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my list
Agreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
injuries and attitude. I'd pass
I started a rumor in the other thread. We should consider Dame. he's on a way different timeline than the rest of their talent, e.g., simon and sharpe. He could do the Mitch version of "Foul That" and say "Zone that"
though he's small i played him at 2. i think there wuold be some real benefit to having another ballhandler as i expect the good teams to try and run Jalen ragged the way Heat did. Given his age hopefully he's not ridiculoously expensive but i wouldn't be surprised if he still has a lot of game in him
We need clutch shooting more than anything
Let me play devil's advocate on why you would not want to bring Dame here. He's 33 with some previous injury history and making between $45 - $63M per year over the next 4 years. You'll likley trade a significant amount to bring him here, including picks and have to match salaries.....i.e. something like Randle & EF. You also end up having 2 small guards and ultimately a 37 year old Dame making $63M in salary on your roster in 2026.
Dame has said several times that he is a Portland lifer.
Despite tweet, don't see him coming here. Nor the Knicks FO feeling he fits the timeline or incredibly high use of salary cap.
He is a hell of a player.
I would go after Cam Johnson who, I believe, is a UFA and can play both forward position.
Bringing in Johnson would make RJ Barrett expendable, imo, and I would see if I can move him, with Fournier, to Charlotte for Gordon Haywood. Knicks can probably pry a draft pick or two out of Charlotte as well.
Or….Go after PJ Washington (who I would much rather have) in a sign/trade for Barrett.
Swishfm3 wrote:I would go after Cam Johnson who, I believe, is a UFA and can play both forward position. Bringing in Johnson would make RJ Barrett expendable, imo, and I would see if I can move him, with Fournier, to Charlotte for Gordon Haywood. Knicks can probably pry a draft pick or two out of Charlotte as well.
Or….Go after PJ Washington (who I would much rather have) in a sign/trade for Barrett.
Good player. He is restricted with Bird rights.
Jerami Grant UFA
"He provided outside shooting, finished extremely well at the rim, could create his own shot and played solid defense while at times guarding multiple positions. Grant averaged 20.5 points and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 47.5% from the field and a career-high 40.1% on threes."
Would not cost assets. Can play SF?
HofstraBBall wrote:Jerami Grant UFA"He provided outside shooting, finished extremely well at the rim, could create his own shot and played solid defense while at times guarding multiple positions. Grant averaged 20.5 points and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 47.5% from the field and a career-high 40.1% on threes."
Would not cost assets. Can play SF?
We have cap space?
We don't have a SF?
Its reasonable POR resigns him from what I have read.
If the trade out the three, what can they get say for Simmons and the pick that puts them in the playoffs?
Nalod wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Jerami Grant UFA"He provided outside shooting, finished extremely well at the rim, could create his own shot and played solid defense while at times guarding multiple positions. Grant averaged 20.5 points and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 47.5% from the field and a career-high 40.1% on threes."
Would not cost assets. Can play SF?
We have cap space?
We don't have a SF?
Its reasonable POR resigns him from what I have read.
If the trade out the three, what can they get say for Simmons and the pick that puts them in the playoffs?
So you are saying trade RJ and free up cap space? I'm in. 
Feel Portland may be this year's Utah.
If they decide to keep Dame, most probable, they will want to add another proven star. Randle for yoots like Simmons?
If they decide to move on and go full rebuild, Grant(won't be resigned) and Dame, Nurkic will be moved. Not sure anyone can afford the Dame hit though.
foosballnick wrote:Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my list
Agreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
injuries and attitude. I'd pass
I started a rumor in the other thread. We should consider Dame. he's on a way different timeline than the rest of their talent, e.g., simon and sharpe. He could do the Mitch version of "Foul That" and say "Zone that"
though he's small i played him at 2. i think there wuold be some real benefit to having another ballhandler as i expect the good teams to try and run Jalen ragged the way Heat did. Given his age hopefully he's not ridiculoously expensive but i wouldn't be surprised if he still has a lot of game in him
We need clutch shooting more than anything
Let me play devil's advocate on why you would not want to bring Dame here. He's 33 with some previous injury history and making between $45 - $63M per year over the next 4 years. You'll likley trade a significant amount to bring him here, including picks and have to match salaries.....i.e. something like Randle & EF. You also end up having 2 small guards and ultimately a 37 year old Dame making $63M in salary on your roster in 2026.
Everything you say is true though i don’t see Randle in the package as much as RJ or someone else on their time line, and I’d like to think the package wouldn’t need to be monstrous given his age and salary
But what you say illustrates the dilemma. You can go around the whole league and ask how can the Knicks get elite shooting that they need. I suspect any candidate will have the same or similar issues. ANd they need the shooting NOW so they can’t wait/hope for someone to develop that way
In theory they could find it in the draft but it’s no sure things.
HofstraBBall wrote:Jerami Grant UFA"He provided outside shooting, finished extremely well at the rim, could create his own shot and played solid defense while at times guarding multiple positions. Grant averaged 20.5 points and 4.1 rebounds per game while shooting 47.5% from the field and a career-high 40.1% on threes."
Would not cost assets. Can play SF?
He also carved us up last season head to head
Swishfm3 wrote:I would go after Cam Johnson who, I believe, is a UFA and can play both forward position. Bringing in Johnson would make RJ Barrett expendable, imo, and I would see if I can move him, with Fournier, to Charlotte for Gordon Haywood. Knicks can probably pry a draft pick or two out of Charlotte as well.
Or….Go after PJ Washington (who I would much rather have) in a sign/trade for Barrett.
I think he’s restricted FA. Would look good as a KNick for sure and more attainable i would think than other options
Since Knicks don't have cap space, any hopes of requiring Cam or Jerami would require trades for space or sign and trades.
Chandler wrote:foosballnick wrote:Chandler wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Knixkik wrote:SupremeCommander wrote:Zach LaVine would be at the top of my list
Agreed. He fits very well. He would give a #2 option and elite shooter.
Any concern with injury issues? Salary?
Brook Lopez and Grant are available in FA. Do you consider them good enough to be second options?
injuries and attitude. I'd pass
I started a rumor in the other thread. We should consider Dame. he's on a way different timeline than the rest of their talent, e.g., simon and sharpe. He could do the Mitch version of "Foul That" and say "Zone that"
though he's small i played him at 2. i think there wuold be some real benefit to having another ballhandler as i expect the good teams to try and run Jalen ragged the way Heat did. Given his age hopefully he's not ridiculoously expensive but i wouldn't be surprised if he still has a lot of game in him
We need clutch shooting more than anything
Let me play devil's advocate on why you would not want to bring Dame here. He's 33 with some previous injury history and making between $45 - $63M per year over the next 4 years. You'll likley trade a significant amount to bring him here, including picks and have to match salaries.....i.e. something like Randle & EF. You also end up having 2 small guards and ultimately a 37 year old Dame making $63M in salary on your roster in 2026.
Everything you say is true though i don’t see Randle in the package as much as RJ or someone else on their time line, and I’d like to think the package wouldn’t need to be monstrous given his age and salary
But what you say illustrates the dilemma. You can go around the whole league and ask how can the Knicks get elite shooting that they need. I suspect any candidate will have the same or similar issues. ANd they need the shooting NOW so they can’t wait/hope for someone to develop that way
In theory they could find it in the draft but it’s no sure things.
If you go with a single Big move - would agree that there is a dilemma as you will either have to over-pay in a trade and/or be stuck with a bad salary in out years. Probably why I would go with smaller moves to improve the shooting at multiple positions.
Guys like Reid/Stewart/B. Lopez upgrade the shooting at the C spot as well as provide a floor stretch component. I would look to replace one of our current centers with someone like this. Higher cost options would be Vucevic or Wood - but would have to get creative with something like a S&T as there is no cap space.
For a wing player I like Cam Johnson, but he's an RFA with Bird Rights so going to be difficult to swing something with the Nets. Also, no way the Nets are trading Mikal to us. I like Franz Wagner, although his stats aren't spectacular (yet) I have followed him through his Michigan and Orlando careers and think @ 6'10" he's a guy who can shoot/hit an open shot and will keep getting better. Although not a sharp shooter - another guy I like is Bruce Brown who is on a player option and plays both ends, is still only 26 years old, has playoff experience and also improved from 3.
Chandler wrote:^^ Obi isn't getting those stats when teams focus on him. I'd like to think he's still developing and not a finished projectbut for a guy with his athleticism he plays way too soft. Highlight dunks on leak outs is one thing. Throwing it down in traffic, refusing to be denied ala Kevin Garnett is another.
if he's going to be soft on D, he needs to be more ferocious on offense (including rebounding)
He would still be far away from being a player teams focused on. And he isn’t a player who has gotten his from volume and iso ball.
gradyandrew wrote:Since Knicks don't have cap space, any hopes of requiring Cam or Jerami would require trades for space or sign and trades.
This is true.
Although I believe the Knicks need to move on from Barrett, I would be “ok” if they bring everyone back next season..but if they do, they need a new coach.
Thibs ain’t it.
gradyandrew wrote:Since Knicks don't have cap space, any hopes of requiring Cam or Jerami would require trades for space or sign and trades.
Don’t see RJ going anywhere now after very nice post season.
Think it would take IQ to get our hands on Cam J —— Nets might like that but would Knicks?
Going after Cam would mean Julius gone IMO. He’s a 4 - not going to bring him in to play 10 minutes behind Julius.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Panos wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:How about both?
That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?
Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.
Obi would average a double double if he was full time
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Randle and Obi shot the same percentage from 3 this season. This idea that we have no way to score without Randle is not valid
If one can superimpose per 36 min as an indicator then Obi at his current rate extrapolated would average 7.2 Rebounds per game and over 17pts. So other than philC lazy words, were do you base your statement from?
YOur in a room with some hard core knick fans. Bring something or your just wasting time.
Randle’s last full season before coming here at age 25 he averaged 6 rebounds per game and he’s a full time starter. Obi next year would be the exact same age as Randle was when he came here. But I guess doing research and citing real stats and not fake sabometrics is “lazy”
Chandler wrote:^^ Obi isn't getting those stats when teams focus on him. I'd like to think he's still developing and not a finished projectbut for a guy with his athleticism he plays way too soft. Highlight dunks on leak outs is one thing. Throwing it down in traffic, refusing to be denied ala Kevin Garnett is another.
if he's going to be soft on D, he needs to be more ferocious on offense (including rebounding)
Teams only focus on Randle because he always needs the ball in his hands. He had a very good season this year but we’ve hit our ceiling with him and this is Brunson’s team now. We need to focus on ball movement and spacing next several years. I’m also advocating for trading Mitch in a package for a guy like Ayton too because that would further this. Unless this fan base enjoys 1st or 2nd round eliminations— and that’s if everything goes right in the regular season
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:Panos wrote:Philc1 wrote:ramtour420 wrote:blkexec wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Philc1 wrote:How about both?
That's fine but you have to replace their production.
Who do you see out there that can?
Instead of looking out for a replacement, why not look in?For example, trading Randle is the hot button. Most who argue against it will say, where do we find Randle's production?
Lets say we traded Randle for bubble gum. Obi is now the starter. Clearly he's not a 20 and 10 guy. But having Obi at PF (or rather not having Randle) could increase production in RJ and Grimes. So in this hypothetical, Randles production comes from within. Addition by Subtraction. So just saying, there doesn't have to be a 1 for 1 remove and replace option, because I don't believe there is one for Randle anyway. He's a special talent thats hard to replicate in todays soft NBA generation.
If we remove Randle we need to replace at least some of his production. Forget points, Obi can score 15 a game as a starter and others will score more with those Randle touches1. We will really miss rebounds and inside toughness. We are not an assists team, we are all ISO and offensive boards.
Obi would average a double double if he was full time
Double/double = dunks/airballs?
Randle and Obi shot the same percentage from 3 this season. This idea that we have no way to score without Randle is not valid
If one can superimpose per 36 min as an indicator then Obi at his current rate extrapolated would average 7.2 Rebounds per game and over 17pts. So other than philC lazy words, were do you base your statement from?
YOur in a room with some hard core knick fans. Bring something or your just wasting time.
Randle’s last full season before coming here at age 25 he averaged 6 rebounds per game and he’s a full time starter. Obi next year would be the exact same age as Randle was when he came here. But I guess doing research and citing real stats and not fake sabometrics is “lazy”
You made an effort. . You looked up his age and rebounds. Hope your not dizzy from such in depth data sifting. Thing is you when you apply it to a predetermined outcome with arrogance its not lazy, its just ignorant.
Now your wasting your own time as well.
