Knicks · Top 4 worst coaches in Knick history (page 2)

Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Most disappointing was D'Antoni. SSOL worked in Phoenix in large part because of shot selection, not just volume. In NY it was just volume. "Keep shooting" was his mantra. Even players who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

GustavBahler wrote:Worst coach would be Rambis. Was statistically one of the worst coaches in NBA history before he got the job. His old school tough guy approach might have worked if he had the skills as a coach to back it up.

Most disappointing was D'Antoni. SSOL worked in Phoenix in large part because of shot selection, not just volume. In NY it was just volume. "Keep shooting" was his mantra. Even players who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

If you recall the roster he had it was not really understood to be worked out.
With Anmare and the yoot it was a good start. Melo jab step boogie slowed it down. Great coach, wrong roster.
He had Felton as his PG.
He did magic with Lin though. Linsanity was awesome but he was fragile and could not hold up. Both Harden and Nash were allstar talents no doubt. MDA took them to MVP’s.

Knicks did not have the right talent for MDA.
Rambis was interim and triangle centric. He was doomed to fail.

Outside of Rambis and some others, guys like Chaney, Wilkens, Brown, even Isiah all had success else where but not here. Thus, there are “worst coaches” or “Worst performances buy a coach”. This is why I exclude Larry Brown as “worst coach”, but for sure his performance here was awful.

Issiah created that mess and was doomed to lie in it.

Fizdale may be the nicer guy, but his coaching win percentage of .202 is the worst EVER among Knick coaches. Fisher more of a schmuck and nearly as bad. Our lottery picks floundered and faded away under their watch. Brown a bigger schmuck who did well everywhere else. Bob Hill succeeded elsewhere but docked a notch for the hairdo. Hornacek saddled with the Phil's puppet excuse I guess. Taking shots at interim Rambis is just misplaced vitriol for Phil.

Fizdale seemed the most flat-out incapable.

Rambis was probably the one I was most eager to get rid of...

MaTT4281 wrote:Compounding the issue with Larry Brown was that we had fired Lenny Wilkins the year before, who I thought was doing a good job with the team! Went from classy, to the loveable (and obviously temporary) Herb Williams, to self destructive Larry.

Fizdale seemed the most flat-out incapable.

Rambis was probably the one I was most eager to get rid of...

Fizdale fooled a lot of people. As JVG said, Fizdale seemed more interested in the celebrity side of being an NBA head coach.

Wouldn't talk to his assistants, like Mike Miller. Who did a better job with the same roster. Miller was sunk by trading their best player, and the pandemic.

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Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Yeah it worked wonders when he didn’t have prime Reggie Miller

GustavBahler wrote:Worst coach would be Rambis. Was statistically one of the worst coaches in NBA history before he got the job. His old school tough guy approach might have worked if he had the skills as a coach to back it up.

Most disappointing was D'Antoni. SSOL worked in Phoenix in large part because of shot selection, not just volume. In NY it was just volume. "Keep shooting" was his mantra. Even players who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn.

Pretty sure Rambis was a hardcore alcoholic. Would not only explain his terrible coaching but also liking a tweet by a porn company while he was the head coach

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Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Yeah it worked wonders when he didn’t have prime Reggie Miller

It does when you're a HOF coach, and you have more than a season.

Not saying Brown didn't make mistakes. Starting guys in their hometown was pretty G-league. I still would have liked to have seen what he would have done with a competent FO, and more time.

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Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Yeah it worked wonders when he didn’t have prime Reggie Miller

It does when you're a HOF coach, and you have more than a season.

Not saying Brown didn't make mistakes. Starting guys in their hometown was pretty G-league. I still would have liked to have seen what he would have done with a competent FO, and more time.

Brown was old and tired by the time he got here. He was 65. The regular season road schedule in the nba is too much of a grind. He did coach three more seasons in charlotte 2 of the 3 were bad one was decent

Isiah sucked. Brown sucked.

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Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Yeah it worked wonders when he didn’t have prime Reggie Miller

It does when you're a HOF coach, and you have more than a season.

Not saying Brown didn't make mistakes. Starting guys in their hometown was pretty G-league. I still would have liked to have seen what he would have done with a competent FO, and more time.

Brown was old and tired by the time he got here. He was 65. The regular season road schedule in the nba is too much of a grind. He did coach three more seasons in charlotte 2 of the 3 were bad one was decent

Isiah sucked. Brown sucked.

Brown had just gone to two finals in a row, winning one.
I doubt he forgot how to coach.
He actually had Eddy and Jackie (blue) Butler playing well in spurts.
On more time for context, knicks had a lot of depth but larry could not find his linups.
The “Start at home thing”. Was not from what I recall a whole season long thing. He was grasping for anything that would work. Larry also did not care if players were out of shape, etc, He berated those not as unprofessional.
Larry was never a warm and fuzzy likable dude. Ever.
Rosters matter on knicks and CLT.

Bit low to accuse Rambis of being an drunk.

Rambis has rings as a player and assistant coach and been around the game and respected for years. His coaching stint in Minny was flawed for many reasons including him trying to install the Triangle with a flawed roster to do it.
He took over a bad team here as interim. Rare a team flounding gets turned around by an interim bench coach. They improve, but rate to do a 180. He did not endear himself with his personality and has not coached since.

The roster LB had wasn't terrible, Stephen Frye Crawford Lee Ariza Richardson Barnes future coach in Udoka, It just seems like at the end of his coaching career LB went for the bag and said 'fuck it, I have a guaranteed deal' when things didn't go his way.

gradyandrew wrote:At least some of the roster issues blamed on Isiah were done at Brown's request. Steve Francis for Ariza for example. The Isiah and Dolan mentioned in the post firing interview that Brown would loudly demand trades for certain players, the front office would get them done, and then he would complain about the players and or not play them.

The roster LB had wasn't terrible, Stephen Frye Crawford Lee Ariza Richardson Barnes future coach in Udoka, It just seems like at the end of his coaching career LB went for the bag and said 'fuck it, I have a guaranteed deal' when things didn't go his way.

Larry was wild man, just wild! Dude coached Marbury in the crazy olympics and it was awful.
Larry goes to knicks for 50mil over 5 years. This is more than Kerr makes now (8.5) and only Pop makes more (11.5mm). I think Monty Williams new deal is for more.
Lets focus on Larrys deal. It was massive. He gets 10 mil for that season but was owed 41mm. Stern settles and they agree to 18.5. Larry got more than half his contract after one year. $Twenty Eight ane half million United States Dollars!!!!! In the year 2006! That was 17 years ago!!!!!!!!!! That was not a bag, that was a satchel! A big number. If Im Dolan and gotta pick between Issiah or Larry and that contract, Buh Bye Issiah!
Dolan don’t roll that way. Called up stern and said “get me out of this!!!!” Thats a joke BTW.

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Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Yeah it worked wonders when he didn’t have prime Reggie Miller

It does when you're a HOF coach, and you have more than a season.

Not saying Brown didn't make mistakes. Starting guys in their hometown was pretty G-league. I still would have liked to have seen what he would have done with a competent FO, and more time.

Brown was old and tired by the time he got here. He was 65. The regular season road schedule in the nba is too much of a grind. He did coach three more seasons in charlotte 2 of the 3 were bad one was decent

Isiah sucked. Brown sucked.

Brown had just gone to two finals in a row, winning one.
I doubt he forgot how to coach.
He actually had Eddy and Jackie (blue) Butler playing well in spurts.
On more time for context, knicks had a lot of depth but larry could not find his linups.
The “Start at home thing”. Was not from what I recall a whole season long thing. He was grasping for anything that would work. Larry also did not care if players were out of shape, etc, He berated those not as unprofessional.
Larry was never a warm and fuzzy likable dude. Ever.
Rosters matter on knicks and CLT.

Bit low to accuse Rambis of being an drunk.

Rambis has rings as a player and assistant coach and been around the game and respected for years. His coaching stint in Minny was flawed for many reasons including him trying to install the Triangle with a flawed roster to do it.
He took over a bad team here as interim. Rare a team flounding gets turned around by an interim bench coach. They improve, but rate to do a 180. He did not endear himself with his personality and has not coached since.

And we are evaluating brown on what he did during his tenure here. He went a Finals with prime Allen Iverson in a soft eastern conference years earlier. Yay. He was trash here and he also sucked in charlotte right after

And accusing Rambos of being a drunk is actually being nice. He is possibly the worst head coach the Knicks ever had(says a lot) and he was liking porno tweets on Twitter at 3am the day before a game

Alpha1971 wrote:Don Nelson had a stint here too.

He technically had a winning record here and went on to do excellent things in Dallas. He just didn’t get along with the Riley guys(Ewing, Oak, Mason, Starks)

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Philc1 wrote:You guys are giving Brown way too much credit. He just sucked here. There was no plan to become the GM. Yes he had a bad team built by Isiah but he did nothing but b tch and antagonize his own players several of whom were rookies

Wrong there, This was Brown's MO his first season as coach. Break them down, and build them back up. That's how Brown was able to compete against teams with more talent. Put aside the GM rumors. that's how he built contenders. Top 5 all time best coach IMO

Yeah it worked wonders when he didn’t have prime Reggie Miller

It does when you're a HOF coach, and you have more than a season.

Not saying Brown didn't make mistakes. Starting guys in their hometown was pretty G-league. I still would have liked to have seen what he would have done with a competent FO, and more time.

Brown was old and tired by the time he got here. He was 65. The regular season road schedule in the nba is too much of a grind. He did coach three more seasons in charlotte 2 of the 3 were bad one was decent

Isiah sucked. Brown sucked.

Brown had just gone to two finals in a row, winning one.
I doubt he forgot how to coach.
He actually had Eddy and Jackie (blue) Butler playing well in spurts.
On more time for context, knicks had a lot of depth but larry could not find his linups.
The “Start at home thing”. Was not from what I recall a whole season long thing. He was grasping for anything that would work. Larry also did not care if players were out of shape, etc, He berated those not as unprofessional.
Larry was never a warm and fuzzy likable dude. Ever.
Rosters matter on knicks and CLT.

Bit low to accuse Rambis of being an drunk.

Rambis has rings as a player and assistant coach and been around the game and respected for years. His coaching stint in Minny was flawed for many reasons including him trying to install the Triangle with a flawed roster to do it.
He took over a bad team here as interim. Rare a team flounding gets turned around by an interim bench coach. They improve, but rate to do a 180. He did not endear himself with his personality and has not coached since.

And we are evaluating brown on what he did during his tenure here. He went a Finals with prime Allen Iverson in a soft eastern conference years earlier. Yay. He was trash here and he also sucked in charlotte right after

And accusing Rambos of being a drunk is actually being nice. He is possibly the worst head coach the Knicks ever had(says a lot) and he was liking porno tweets on Twitter at 3am the day before a game

only coach to win both NCAA and NBA chip.
Long career. Really lont. Anamoly was here.
Charlotte he won 33 games, then 44, then could not reach his young untalented team his last with them.
He is 7th all time winning in the league without his NBA totals.
As for Rambis, 3am night before a game? What are you the church lady? You know these guys travel and have way strange sleeping patterns? The only thing that matters is winning and he was not. Rambis as a coach was not good here.
The rest of it is silly. You like “Man, if he was jerking off at 3am we might have won few more games”?
Nobody should be tweeting about porn at any hour if you a public figure with a public job, or a wife, or a daughter, or a son,, or a clergy, or a father, or Dr, Lawyer, a politician, busness owner, work with women, work with men, or in any fashion want to be taken seriously as a person.

Zion has other issues right now. If he playing ball and succeeding, its no big deal. If you have a porn star ranting about keeping you motivated and its clear he is not, then its an issue.

JesseDark wrote:I don't consider him among the worst coaches ever but rememeber when Herb Williams was our interim head coach for about 3 or 4 stints. For awhile it seemed like every 6 months Herb was our head coach.

Dolan loved him. He was an average head coach which is better than some of the duds we have given big money to

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JesseDark wrote:I don't consider him among the worst coaches ever but rememeber when Herb Williams was our interim head coach for about 3 or 4 stints. For awhile it seemed like every 6 months Herb was our head coach.

Dolan loved him. He was an average head coach which is better than some of the duds we have given big money to

Why not look it up before posting. Lazy.
In o3-04 he coached one game.
then two seasons later he was 16-27.
He stuck though. 14 years in fact as assistant.
He was good corporate man.

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Philc1 wrote:

JesseDark wrote:I don't consider him among the worst coaches ever but rememeber when Herb Williams was our interim head coach for about 3 or 4 stints. For awhile it seemed like every 6 months Herb was our head coach.

Dolan loved him. He was an average head coach which is better than some of the duds we have given big money to

Why not look it up before posting. Lazy.
In o3-04 he coached one game.
then two seasons later he was 16-27.
He stuck though. 14 years in fact as assistant.
He was good corporate man.

Like I said mediocre. But I guess not writing a boring 26 paragraph essay like you is “lazy”