Knicks · Sam Presti Playing Checkers (page 1)
The draft-pick rich Oklahoma City Thunder are trading 2024 first- and second-round picks and a 2023 second-round pick to the Denver Nuggets for a protected 2029 first-round pick, ESPN reported Friday
Much like last season's trade for 569 minutes of Osume Dieng, Presti is again trading multiple picks for one. Your much better getting multiple bites of the apple than one outside of the top 4 picks or so. This is even trust if you already have a lot of young talent.
Who says Presti can't trade the pick for multiple lower picks in the future?
As said, he might have too many picks and needs to reduce yet keeps a place holder of value.
Knixkik wrote:Presti continues to kick the can down the road, extending his rebuild and job security without having to win. They have been rebuilding/ retooling since KD was there. That’s a long time.
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They are showing steady improvement, playoffs next year or two
Caseloads wrote:Knixkik wrote:Presti continues to kick the can down the road, extending his rebuild and job security without having to win. They have been rebuilding/ retooling since KD was there. That’s a long time.Smart asset management
They are showing steady improvement, playoffs next year or two
Don’t get me wrong he’s not doing a terrible job, but his rebuilding plan is extremely long and drawn out. A great GM can retool much faster. I always felt like these rebuilds are somewhat a job security play by the GM/ Prez. The fact is Prestis rep is really based off a few players he drafted 15-16 years ago.
Knixkik wrote:Caseloads wrote:Knixkik wrote:Presti continues to kick the can down the road, extending his rebuild and job security without having to win. They have been rebuilding/ retooling since KD was there. That’s a long time.Smart asset management
They are showing steady improvement, playoffs next year or two
Don’t get me wrong he’s not doing a terrible job, but his rebuilding plan is extremely long and drawn out. A great GM can retool much faster. I always felt like these rebuilds are somewhat a job security play by the GM/ Prez. The fact is Prestis rep is really based off a few players he drafted 15-16 years ago.
I don’t think you have this correctly, I have the opposite in fact.
Presti took over in June 2007, taking over a team that had 2 straight 30 win seasons and was blessed with #2 pick who turned out to be Durant and not Oden.
2 more 20 win seasons, which is literally what you want at that point in time.
And then 10 straight seasons of 45 or more games won per season and then tack on one more 44 win season.
That follows with another 2 years of 20 win season. And then last year the team got 40 wins. So 2 years of bad and an extreme impressive run this year.
They’ve got all young players, a shit ton of future picks, a giant black hole sized space under the cap, Chet Holmgreen consuming 10,000 calories a day while pumping up the iron, and the #12 pick in this draft.
How do you retool faster? Cause this team is on the precipice of very good things happening. Like a decades worth.
I think the OP is only learning how to play tick tack toe.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Caseloads wrote:Knixkik wrote:Presti continues to kick the can down the road, extending his rebuild and job security without having to win. They have been rebuilding/ retooling since KD was there. That’s a long time.Smart asset management
They are showing steady improvement, playoffs next year or two
Don’t get me wrong he’s not doing a terrible job, but his rebuilding plan is extremely long and drawn out. A great GM can retool much faster. I always felt like these rebuilds are somewhat a job security play by the GM/ Prez. The fact is Prestis rep is really based off a few players he drafted 15-16 years ago.
I don’t think you have this correctly, I have the opposite in fact.
Presti took over in June 2007, taking over a team that had 2 straight 30 win seasons and was blessed with #2 pick who turned out to be Durant and not Oden.
2 more 20 win seasons, which is literally what you want at that point in time.
And then 10 straight seasons of 45 or more games won per season and then tack on one more 44 win season.
That follows with another 2 years of 20 win season. And then last year the team got 40 wins. So 2 years of bad and an extreme impressive run this year.
They’ve got all young players, a shit ton of future picks, a giant black hole sized space under the cap, Chet Holmgreen consuming 10,000 calories a day while pumping up the iron, and the #12 pick in this draft.
How do you retool faster? Cause this team is on the precipice of very good things happening. Like a decades worth.
I think the OP is only learning how to play tick tack toe.
His success is based on KD and westbrook right ? He traded harden when everyone knew how good he was for very little. KD was generational and fell in his lap as you said. His run was a lot of luck but also skill. No shame in being a combination of both. But he struggled producing surrounding talent and maximizing the window. And then tried to piece together a quick retool when he got PG and melo which wasn’t successful. Now he has a rebuild that is based on having so many picks and it’s long and drawn out. There’s teams that don’t need that. Just feel like he’s a bit overrated overall. Would I take him over previous Knicks regimes ? Sure. But he’s no different than most GMs that have been very hot and cold. I haven’t been very impressed. He has a ton of picks but what he can do from now is still largely hypothetical. He has been essentially Ainge minus the championship and the ability to find desperate GMs.
Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Caseloads wrote:Knixkik wrote:Presti continues to kick the can down the road, extending his rebuild and job security without having to win. They have been rebuilding/ retooling since KD was there. That’s a long time.
Smart asset managementThey are showing steady improvement, playoffs next year or two
Don’t get me wrong he’s not doing a terrible job, but his rebuilding plan is extremely long and drawn out. A great GM can retool much faster. I always felt like these rebuilds are somewhat a job security play by the GM/ Prez. The fact is Prestis rep is really based off a few players he drafted 15-16 years ago.
I don’t think you have this correctly, I have the opposite in fact.
Presti took over in June 2007, taking over a team that had 2 straight 30 win seasons and was blessed with #2 pick who turned out to be Durant and not Oden.
2 more 20 win seasons, which is literally what you want at that point in time.
And then 10 straight seasons of 45 or more games won per season and then tack on one more 44 win season.
That follows with another 2 years of 20 win season. And then last year the team got 40 wins. So 2 years of bad and an extreme impressive run this year.
They’ve got all young players, a shit ton of future picks, a giant black hole sized space under the cap, Chet Holmgreen consuming 10,000 calories a day while pumping up the iron, and the #12 pick in this draft.
How do you retool faster? Cause this team is on the precipice of very good things happening. Like a decades worth.
I think the OP is only learning how to play tick tack toe.
His success is based on KD and westbrook right ? He traded harden when everyone knew how good he was for very little. KD was generational and fell in his lap as you said. His run was a lot of luck but also skill. No shame in being a combination of both. But he struggled producing surrounding talent and maximizing the window. And then tried to piece together a quick retool when he got PG and melo which wasn’t successful. Now he has a rebuild that is based on having so many picks and it’s long and drawn out. There’s teams that don’t need that. Just feel like he’s a bit overrated overall. Would I take him over previous Knicks regimes ? Sure. But he’s no different than most GMs that have been very hot and cold. I haven’t been very impressed. He has a ton of picks but what he can do from now is still largely hypothetical. He has been essentially Ainge minus the championship and the ability to find desperate GMs.
His success is built off of his team’s record. And that has been outstanding but for a ring.
For me, when you have a decades long run of very good 45-60 win seasons (averaging about 50 wins a season?) and then retool to do it again, that’s is incredible success as a GM.
The rest is literally up to the players and their staff.
You know how many GMs manage a decades worth of 50 win seasons? Not many. I can only think of San Antonio and GSW doing better unless you have a better example. And we can then argue those GMs were gifted Curry and Thompson Or Duncan and Robinson?
Not for me. Those are all good GMs.
True. And Kobe and Mike never won a chip without him either.
Pleanty of teams have had stars and failed to win a chip.
Presti is hailed as a very good GM but not icconic. Why? They did not win a chip.
But lets look at the business side. Seattle languished for two years when Shultz old the team to Bennett and his group who were hell bent on relocating them and like in a movie, they wanted to suck to move. So they tanked.
When an owner wants to tank, a GM gets a rare window to do cool shit long term.
You also have a team in OKC whose minority owners had fracking based wealth and it went south. One dude killed himself. It was economically unstable and iM suprised the team made it through. They did.
I keep reminding many of you its the owner that drives the direction of the team and each one is different for many reasons.
In hindsight one can always punch holes at mistakes. I won’t defend Presti or reconstruct what happend or how ownwership was ok with letting Durant walk out the door. We don’t know the back story of his leverage that Durant also was brave enough to take on career injury and walked free TWICE.
As for trades, some worked better than others. He was masterful in his Trade to get and then resell Paul George to Clippers.
Not so much in Harden. Shit happens.
Building a winner is not easy. Spurs post Timmy/Manu/Parker era has been a rough go for them. Same cast of brilliant FO and coach yet they have not been fortuitous in efforts. They missed on Dejuan Murray and punted on him. They did tank and got Wemby which Im sure is fuel for conspiracy talk but we can leave that for another day.
Martin depicted a good scenario of success. Ad in the depth of the west that they had to contend with GSW epic run and some damn good teams as well.
Denver is the new darling that has been there for for 3 years. Injury derailed them but they stuck it thru. Nalod has mentioned them as preseason favorites a few times (I stopped making predictions) prior.
Winning chips matter and OKC is small market and not a destination city for free agents. True, but money is a destination if they have it.
I agree Presti is not heralded as he has been in the past. This is why when fans starphuch Execs thinking “Bring in this guy and we set” does not work. Way too many things have to happen.
Its why we really should apppreciate what Leon is doing. WE have not been given great picks or been “lucky”. What Dolan did by firing Phil, and not letting mills cash in chips was to create opportunities that create luck. Jules for all his warts came as a free agent. That we got Brunson too was another example. Patience is being exampled. Does not mean everything is great. Fans don’t need to show it so we can rail on jules and RJ when frustrated, and suggest deals to quench that thirst.
I won’t predict but if you look at Denver and Miami they have been very consistant and patient. Porter Jr is frustrating and Murray injuries were not easy. They also lost their president last year to Minny!
So how did they stay on track?
Ownership saw it thru. In ten years they lost Massai and Connelly.
Miami, same thing. Aronson in on board with the teams ups and downs over the years.
Be it as it may, Phil Jax came in and ended the starphuch era and stoppeing trading picks. MIlls might have wanted to keep his job and do it but he got canned and Perry kept it cool under the direction of ownership and implimented by Leon.
We have not been lucky via the draft yet, but we on a decent path. Leon been here 3 seasons now. The fun is the journey.
Miami and Denver both been on good runs the last few years. One will be happier than the other but its june and there they are.
martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:martin wrote:Knixkik wrote:Caseloads wrote:Knixkik wrote:Presti continues to kick the can down the road, extending his rebuild and job security without having to win. They have been rebuilding/ retooling since KD was there. That’s a long time.
Smart asset managementThey are showing steady improvement, playoffs next year or two
Don’t get me wrong he’s not doing a terrible job, but his rebuilding plan is extremely long and drawn out. A great GM can retool much faster. I always felt like these rebuilds are somewhat a job security play by the GM/ Prez. The fact is Prestis rep is really based off a few players he drafted 15-16 years ago.
I don’t think you have this correctly, I have the opposite in fact.
Presti took over in June 2007, taking over a team that had 2 straight 30 win seasons and was blessed with #2 pick who turned out to be Durant and not Oden.
2 more 20 win seasons, which is literally what you want at that point in time.
And then 10 straight seasons of 45 or more games won per season and then tack on one more 44 win season.
That follows with another 2 years of 20 win season. And then last year the team got 40 wins. So 2 years of bad and an extreme impressive run this year.
They’ve got all young players, a shit ton of future picks, a giant black hole sized space under the cap, Chet Holmgreen consuming 10,000 calories a day while pumping up the iron, and the #12 pick in this draft.
How do you retool faster? Cause this team is on the precipice of very good things happening. Like a decades worth.
I think the OP is only learning how to play tick tack toe.
His success is based on KD and westbrook right ? He traded harden when everyone knew how good he was for very little. KD was generational and fell in his lap as you said. His run was a lot of luck but also skill. No shame in being a combination of both. But he struggled producing surrounding talent and maximizing the window. And then tried to piece together a quick retool when he got PG and melo which wasn’t successful. Now he has a rebuild that is based on having so many picks and it’s long and drawn out. There’s teams that don’t need that. Just feel like he’s a bit overrated overall. Would I take him over previous Knicks regimes ? Sure. But he’s no different than most GMs that have been very hot and cold. I haven’t been very impressed. He has a ton of picks but what he can do from now is still largely hypothetical. He has been essentially Ainge minus the championship and the ability to find desperate GMs.
His success is built off of his team’s record. And that has been outstanding but for a ring.
For me, when you have a decades long run of very good 45-60 win seasons (averaging about 50 wins a season?) and then retool to do it again, that’s is incredible success as a GM.
The rest is literally up to the players and their staff.
You know how many GMs manage a decades worth of 50 win seasons? Not many. I can only think of San Antonio and GSW doing better unless you have a better example. And we can then argue those GMs were gifted Curry and Thompson Or Duncan and Robinson?
Not for me. Those are all good GMs.
I guess I just need to see him build a winner outside of KD to be convinced.