My favorite IQ trade is package with Mitch for Ayton. They bring back CP3 but IQ is the air apparent and groomed one more year. CP3 gets hurt, he is the stand in.
Mitch is an elite rim runner. PHX gets deeper.
I have no idea if FO even likes Ayton, let alone Thibs.
That they canned Monty I believe they bring back Ayton.
Nalod wrote:My favorite IQ trade is package with Mitch for Ayton. They bring back CP3 but IQ is the air apparent and groomed one more year. CP3 gets hurt, he is the stand in.
Mitch is an elite rim runner. PHX gets deeper.
I have no idea if FO even likes Ayton, let alone Thibs.
That they canned Monty I believe they bring back Ayton.
Ayton was subbed out by Monty in an NBA finals cause of his lack of energy and activity.
Thibs would legit kill this type of player during training camp, FO will not touch Ayton and rightfully so.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:My favorite IQ trade is package with Mitch for Ayton. They bring back CP3 but IQ is the air apparent and groomed one more year. CP3 gets hurt, he is the stand in.
Mitch is an elite rim runner. PHX gets deeper.
I have no idea if FO even likes Ayton, let alone Thibs.
That they canned Monty I believe they bring back Ayton.
Ayton was subbed out by Monty in an NBA finals cause of his lack of energy and activity.
Thibs would legit kill this type of player during training camp, FO will not touch Ayton and rightfully so.
Its why they likely moved from Monty. I agree. That, unless he pulls an Embiid and grows up and makes his mark.
That said, I'd still be wary of pushing the chips in and trading for Embiid.
I hope no more players that would end up in the Thibs doghouse make their way here. Wrong or right, and I will say Thibs is mostly right - but why waste the money and assets?
KnickDanger wrote:I hope no more players that would end up in the Thibs doghouse make their way here. Wrong or right, and I will say Thibs is mostly right - but why waste the money and assets?
I don't even think it's a Thibs thing or a Monty thing.
Guy like Cam got his chances in Alt, NY and POR and by the end of this past season, no one is talking about him any more.
Show up and play hard is a bare minimum that should haven't have to be asked or coached.
KnickDanger wrote:I hope no more players that would end up in the Thibs doghouse make their way here. Wrong or right, and I will say Thibs is mostly right - but why waste the money and assets?
At a bare minimum FO get players and pay coaches to coach them. There is risk. Reddish has or had incredible potential. Like Zion, you don't always have the personality pegged to get it out, or players have to become a bit older and get the mentally toughness called "maturity". We forget these guys are kids and they just don't always turn out as expected. League would love to have age limits on them as you get to see so much by the ripe old age of 22!
My goodness, Zion freakish ability is restricted by his lack of impulse control. Pussy and cupcakes stand in his HOF career. Eddy Curry did not have the motivation. Given more time these guys shake out by age 22. Not all teenage talent can become pro players. reddish seemingly has all the tools with his body but has not put the work in? Morant has all the fame and money any man could want but has it so very young and maybe came too easy? They do put the work on the court but there is more to that in life.
Makes you appreciate how hard it really is to succeed and guys like Jordan, Lebron, Kobe, and so many greats kept it together.
Perhaps we take so many things for granted with so many?
Caseloads wrote:What about #4, Eason and a second for IQ and a protected first?
The #4 pick for IQ straight up
I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
Philc1 wrote:Caseloads wrote:What about #4, Eason and a second for IQ and a protected first?
The #4 pick for IQ straight up
That, and Jessica Alba starts dating Briggs.
shinmen wrote:I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
With Brunson in front of him and a payday looming if he is an allstar caliber player then he is an asset that can be used to fill a greater need?
The very soon to be 24 year old stands 6-3 in shoes with a 6-8 wingspan. He is not liability on defense. Issue is he is not small, but not long. He is not super fast, but far from slow. His playmaking has improved, but not great. He can shoot!!!!! His penetrating has improved. He is crafty but JB is incredible by contrast.
He is really good and could command attention in the trade market that helps us get someone really good.
Im not saying thats what we do, but thats the reasoning.
shinmen wrote:I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
Agreed.
Feel Knicks will trade Obi and keep IQ.
However, do not see them rushing into extending him this summer either.
NardDogNation wrote:BRIGGS wrote:jamp wrote:If he's burgeoning into a great player why
trade him.
Im certainly not willing to give him away BUT how does IQ stay happy as a back up? Hes a starting lead PG w all star potential. Problem is we have one of those. I would need substantial return or I would happily work it out with him
It's why using IQ to upgrade our 3 spot makes more sense to me. IQ, Barrett and Toppin for Mikal Bridges should have an appeal to both teams. I think we lose the deal from a raw talent standpoint BUT add the better fit, on a sweetheart deal that allows the financial flexibility to still add to the team.
https://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tr...
boy that's a bad deal... IQ/RJ/Obi combining for 60 a night while we get Bridges on "a good deal"
dear go no.
ESOMKnicks wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Iq
For picks
4 and 20
Cam Whitmore Trayce Jackson davis
No way iq can stay a back up. We get two athletic foundational players
IQ, by himself, isn't gonna get you those picks. You need throw in Obi, at the very least, and more picks.
Why would anyone trade a #4 pick for a couple of bench players on a non-top team?
Seems like there are still a few grown ups here who believe that Santa is real.
Knicks were 13-8 last year with IQ starting. He averaged 22.6/5.4/5.1 pts/rebs/ast and was among league leaders in defense. Why the phuck would anyone want a young guy like that?
Santa aint coming to Houston... we keeping IQ
fishmike wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Iq
For picks
4 and 20
Cam Whitmore Trayce Jackson davis
No way iq can stay a back up. We get two athletic foundational players
IQ, by himself, isn't gonna get you those picks. You need throw in Obi, at the very least, and more picks.
Why would anyone trade a #4 pick for a couple of bench players on a non-top team?
Seems like there are still a few grown ups here who believe that Santa is real.
Knicks were 13-8 last year with IQ starting. He averaged 22.6/5.4/5.1 pts/rebs/ast and was among league leaders in defense. Why the phuck would anyone want a young guy like that?Santa aint coming to Houston... we keeping IQ
That’s y I started this thread fishnike. Q isn’t a bench player anymore— he’s a high caliber starting lead guard. The problem with that? We already have 1
BUT compensation for iq must be high or I’ll happily accept what is. In other words I do not seek a trade unless someone can give me value commensurate. Two draft picks 1 being a lottery pick is the only way.
BRIGGS wrote:fishmike wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Iq
For picks
4 and 20
Cam Whitmore Trayce Jackson davis
No way iq can stay a back up. We get two athletic foundational players
IQ, by himself, isn't gonna get you those picks. You need throw in Obi, at the very least, and more picks.
Why would anyone trade a #4 pick for a couple of bench players on a non-top team?
Seems like there are still a few grown ups here who believe that Santa is real.
Knicks were 13-8 last year with IQ starting. He averaged 22.6/5.4/5.1 pts/rebs/ast and was among league leaders in defense. Why the phuck would anyone want a young guy like that?Santa aint coming to Houston... we keeping IQ
That’s y I started this thread fishnike. Q isn’t a bench player anymore— he’s a high caliber starting lead guard. The problem with that? We already have 1
BUT compensation for iq must be high or I’ll happily accept what is. In other words I do not seek a trade unless someone can give me value commensurate. Two draft picks 1 being a lottery pick is the only way.
I dont have a problem with your idea. Not sure that would be my player. Also I think the timing has changed. We have a star end of game finisher in Brunson. We need more high end supporting guys not prospects. I get you on the value, but not on the team building direction.
Except maybe Jaren Jackson. Yeah the one on Memphis. He could be our Bam for next 15 years with Brunson closing. Why in god's name would Memphis trade him? Because sending them Randle/IQ allows them to either pivot away from Jah with some tact and still have a hell of a squad.
It sets the Knicks back in terms of how the roster is constructed but that's super temporary. You are basically building around Brunson/Jackson/Grimes/RJ still have Mitch/McBride/IHart/Josh and even Fournier who suddenly might help lol
Fantasy aside I think there's no reason IQ cant sign a big contract and play the Bobby Jackson role for next 5 years for us. Maybe he doesnt start but he's a 30+ MPG guy and always there in crunch time. He literally does everything. He scores, he finds guys, he hits the glass, he's a excellent defender, he's 24 next year. Just keep him man.
fishmike wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Iq
For picks
4 and 20
Cam Whitmore Trayce Jackson davis
No way iq can stay a back up. We get two athletic foundational players
IQ, by himself, isn't gonna get you those picks. You need throw in Obi, at the very least, and more picks.
Why would anyone trade a #4 pick for a couple of bench players on a non-top team?
Seems like there are still a few grown ups here who believe that Santa is real.
Knicks were 13-8 last year with IQ starting. He averaged 22.6/5.4/5.1 pts/rebs/ast and was among league leaders in defense. Why the phuck would anyone want a young guy like that?Santa aint coming to Houston... we keeping IQ
I like IQ a lot, but #4 is too high. I don't think Maxey, who has higher perceived value, gets you the #4. At least not straight up. And, if the Harden rumors are true, Houston isn't really under the gun to do an IQ trade. Also, Cam is a solid prospect, but I don't see him as being someone that's can't miss. His passing was deficient this season and he still has a lot to figure out in terms of handling secondary defenders. I mean, he's worse at the deficiencies we kill RJ for. Now Amen Thompson... that's a boom/bust talent I'd probably risk my imaginary GM job for.
BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Iq
For picks
4 and 20
Cam Whitmore Trayce Jackson davis
No way iq can stay a back up. We get two athletic foundational players
IQ, by himself, isn't gonna get you those picks. You need throw in Obi, at the very least, and more picks.
Why would anyone trade a #4 pick for a couple of bench players on a non-top team?
Seems like there are still a few grown ups here who believe that Santa is real.
Knicks were 13-8 last year with IQ starting. He averaged 22.6/5.4/5.1 pts/rebs/ast and was among league leaders in defense. Why the phuck would anyone want a young guy like that?Santa aint coming to Houston... we keeping IQ
I like IQ a lot, but #4 is too high. I don't think Maxey, who has higher perceived value, gets you the #4. At least not straight up. And, if the Harden rumors are true, Houston isn't really under the gun to do an IQ trade. Also, Cam is a solid prospect, but I don't see him as being someone that's can't miss. His passing was deficient this season and he still has a lot to figure out in terms of handling secondary defenders. I mean, he's worse at the deficiencies we kill RJ for. Now Amen Thompson... that's a boom/bust talent I'd probably risk my imaginary GM job for.
I think the opposite on that very topic.
If Harden comes, having a combo guy like IQ next to him actually works cause James is so ball dominant and not a defender. IQ can start and be either the PG or let Harden do his thing.
Trade for IQ this year and maybe you are trading for a starter whose salary slot is still $4m and you still have cap space to use on another free agent to add to those 2 guys.
Houston would need to trade for a guy like Capella to compliment Harden and shore up the middle. Could move Jalen Green because of overlap.
IQ, Harden, Eason, Jabari Smith, Capella.
Not deep playoff and prob needs 1 more vet in that lineup over Eason.
also Maxey is a shit defender and Phili fans are groaning about it
martin wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:fishmike wrote:ESOMKnicks wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:BRIGGS wrote:Iq
For picks
4 and 20
Cam Whitmore Trayce Jackson davis
No way iq can stay a back up. We get two athletic foundational players
IQ, by himself, isn't gonna get you those picks. You need throw in Obi, at the very least, and more picks.
Why would anyone trade a #4 pick for a couple of bench players on a non-top team?
Seems like there are still a few grown ups here who believe that Santa is real.
Knicks were 13-8 last year with IQ starting. He averaged 22.6/5.4/5.1 pts/rebs/ast and was among league leaders in defense. Why the phuck would anyone want a young guy like that?Santa aint coming to Houston... we keeping IQ
I like IQ a lot, but #4 is too high. I don't think Maxey, who has higher perceived value, gets you the #4. At least not straight up. And, if the Harden rumors are true, Houston isn't really under the gun to do an IQ trade. Also, Cam is a solid prospect, but I don't see him as being someone that's can't miss. His passing was deficient this season and he still has a lot to figure out in terms of handling secondary defenders. I mean, he's worse at the deficiencies we kill RJ for. Now Amen Thompson... that's a boom/bust talent I'd probably risk my imaginary GM job for.
I think the opposite on that very topic.
If Harden comes, having a combo guy like IQ next to him actually works cause James is so ball dominant and not a defender. IQ can start and be either the PG or let Harden do his thing.
Trade for IQ this year and maybe you are trading for a starter whose salary slot is still $4m and you still have cap space to use on another free agent to add to those 2 guys.
Houston would need to trade for a guy like Capella to compliment Harden and shore up the middle. Could move Jalen Green because of overlap.
IQ, Harden, Eason, Jabari Smith, Capella.
Not deep playoff and prob needs 1 more vet in that lineup over Eason.
I'm not sure Houston is ready to give up on Green just yet. I think the plan is just to have a guy like Harden to orchestrate. But my main point is that IQ alone probably isn't giving you #4, forget about 4 and 20. You think Houston couldn't use Thompson or Whitmore? They need wing help too.
martin wrote:Nalod wrote:My favorite IQ trade is package with Mitch for Ayton. They bring back CP3 but IQ is the air apparent and groomed one more year. CP3 gets hurt, he is the stand in.
Mitch is an elite rim runner. PHX gets deeper.
I have no idea if FO even likes Ayton, let alone Thibs.
That they canned Monty I believe they bring back Ayton.
Ayton was subbed out by Monty in an NBA finals cause of his lack of energy and activity.
Thibs would legit kill this type of player during training camp, FO will not touch Ayton and rightfully so.
This
He took just 6 shots in game 3 and 4 vs Denver.
