martin wrote:Nalod wrote:My favorite IQ trade is package with Mitch for Ayton. They bring back CP3 but IQ is the air apparent and groomed one more year. CP3 gets hurt, he is the stand in.
Mitch is an elite rim runner. PHX gets deeper.
I have no idea if FO even likes Ayton, let alone Thibs.
That they canned Monty I believe they bring back Ayton.
Ayton was subbed out by Monty in an NBA finals cause of his lack of energy and activity.
Thibs would legit kill this type of player during training camp, FO will not touch Ayton and rightfully so.
This
He took just 6 shots in game 3 and 4 vs Denver.
shinmen wrote:I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
Because we have a short window to trade him before we have to overpay to extend him
Yeah, cam is not a can’t miss prospect….
I’m warming up to Anthony black actually, despite the terrible hairdo
We need nba positional size and scoring- which is how the bucks, and Denver got it done
Philc1 wrote:shinmen wrote:I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
Because we have a short window to trade him before we have to overpay to extend him
What would you consider overpaying? Its not a cap issue for me. IQ is good enough to start, and he's made it clear that he wants to start somewhere. I dont blame Quickley for thinking that way.
I'm confident that IQ would be a different player next playoffs, assuming the Knicks made it to the postseason.
He will likely be more expensive to keep after a good playoff run. Which is why I wouldnt mind seeing a trade, or a sign and trade. Other teams know that Quickley isnt that far from leveling up.
Hopefully the FO can use that as leverage in a deal that gets us closer to contending. If IQ didnt seem so determined to start, I'd be happy that he was signing a new deal.
Truth be told, IQ is more ready than Grimes right now. Hopefully Grimes will come back with an expanded repetoire
Philc1 wrote:shinmen wrote:I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
Because we have a short window to trade him before we have to overpay to extend him
Does one even bother to ask why you say “overpay”?
We moved on from Frank, Knox and Reddish than resign them.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:shinmen wrote:I don't understand the urge to trade IQ. He didn't play very well in the playoffs but he's still an excellent prospect. It's very unlikely we find a player of his caliber in the draft. He works hard, has improved steadily. Let's keep him.
Because we have a short window to trade him before we have to overpay to extend him
Does one even bother to ask why you say “overpay”?
We moved on from Frank, Knox and Reddish than resign them.
Phil being Phil... has our FO overpaid anyone?
Tari Eason and pick 4 for IQ
I think it'd be awesome if IQ carried that type of value around the league (maybe he does, what do I know?). But even with an offer that sweet, Knicks have got to be buyers, not sellers. Brunson has revamped this team and shifted us back to the JB/Randle timeline instead of the RJ/Grimes/IQ timeline we wanted a year ago.
Unless Spurs have a temporary stroke and decide to send Victor to us, this ain't the year to focus on draft picks IMO.
MaTT4281 wrote:I think it'd be awesome if IQ carried that type of value around the league (maybe he does, what do I know?). But even with an offer that sweet, Knicks have got to be buyers, not sellers. Brunson has revamped this team and shifted us back to the JB/Randle timeline instead of the RJ/Grimes/IQ timeline we wanted a year ago.Unless Spurs have a temporary stroke and decide to send Victor to us, this ain't the year to focus on draft picks IMO.
Yes and No. the timeline for Jalen is 2 years plus a player option for under 25mil. Not going to sweat that as he might or might not continue to outplay his contract.
Randle is the same. his opt in is for 32mil.
The timeline allows for yoot one more year to show its meddle and still compete. There is nothing here that says we are close to really contending but nothing to say we are stepping backwards.
The new world order demands young players on reasonable deals. This we got. A FO that does not overpay. This we got. A top end coach with a very good Top assistant. We got that. An owner who is not afraid to spend. That too!!!!!
No guarantees and no road map at this moment in time.
In Wizardland KP was likley to have been resigned as would have Kuzma. All bets are off there. Tommy Sheppard got the boot and its all wide open.
They have issues.
We are middle of the pack. How middle? Much to determine between now and the start of season as other teams will make moves too.
Nalod wrote:MaTT4281 wrote:I think it'd be awesome if IQ carried that type of value around the league (maybe he does, what do I know?). But even with an offer that sweet, Knicks have got to be buyers, not sellers. Brunson has revamped this team and shifted us back to the JB/Randle timeline instead of the RJ/Grimes/IQ timeline we wanted a year ago.Unless Spurs have a temporary stroke and decide to send Victor to us, this ain't the year to focus on draft picks IMO.
Yes and No. the timeline for Jalen is 2 years plus a player option for under 25mil. Not going to sweat that as he might or might not continue to outplay his contract.
Randle is the same. his opt in is for 32mil.
The timeline allows for yoot one more year to show its meddle and still compete. There is nothing here that says we are close to really contending but nothing to say we are stepping backwards.
The new world order demands young players on reasonable deals. This we got. A FO that does not overpay. This we got. A top end coach with a very good Top assistant. We got that. An owner who is not afraid to spend. That too!!!!!
No guarantees and no road map at this moment in time.
In Wizardland KP was likley to have been resigned as would have Kuzma. All bets are off there. Tommy Sheppard got the boot and its all wide open.
They have issues.
We are middle of the pack. How middle? Much to determine between now and the start of season as other teams will make moves too.
RE: the bolded - yes, we're a middle of the pack team, but one that's moving upward thanks in no small part to developing our young guys over the last several years. IQ(going on 24)/Grimes(23)/Mitch(25) all took big steps forward. Playoff RJ (23) caught up late. The tree is starting to bear fruit!
The timeline becomes an issue when you take your developed pieces from the young end of the core and replace them with rookies and have to start the development process all over. How long will it take to get the new guys up to par? I see IQ as a pretty central piece on this team, right behind Brunson and Randle. You're inevitably going to take a step back in the short term while Brunson(27 this summer)/Randle (29 in November) close in on, or pass, 30.
I get that 30 is not always the turning point it used to be, but with guys who play as hard and physical as the two of them do, you have to anticipate their apex may come on the earlier end of the spectrum.
RJ if he only shoots average from 3 and midrange, only average, would then seem like an all start compared to what he shoots now
