Knicks · When will the nba reveal ja morants fate (page 2)
Morant is going to have to go a long stretch without seeking drama, to convince the league that he's changed. And thats what you're doing when you livestream thuggery. Seeking Drama.
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joke suspension
and joke apology probably by Chat GPT using all prior apologies for its language model. wonder if Ja even saw or read this
I have yet to issue any type of opinion. Typical childish deflection when called out.
Yesterday was only had speculation. Today we have tangible facts.
I think the suspension is fair. He broke no laws. This is very different than banishment for Heroin or other repeat abusers of previous drug offense.
This is not domestic violence, or other felony under investigation.
He did not outright break the Gun rules as spelled out by the CBA.
What he did was really fuck up. League had to do something otherwise every anti gun group would scream at NBA sponsor/Partners. To do more engages the pro gun activists to do the same. NBA had to find a middle ground to make a lot of people happy and find some point by which Morant effects some type of change to his VISIBLE ACTIVITIES.
His apology was already in the can. They had to also protect the sponsors of league and for Jah. To fight it would be bad for business for everyone, To have it challanged and ban reduced would dilute the message. This seems negotiated to where NBA statement and Jah's was part of it.
As with most things, like when Teens get caught doing bad things they usually get away with far more. Perhaps NBA saw things outside of this but had no legal means go further or perhaps it only works to make Jah look even worse. Who benefits from that? Think about it, why would Silver or the league reduce one of its bright stars, penalize an owner more, and embarrass its sponsor/Partners? He lost 30% of his season. No team meetings, no practice with team. Its not light.
Just an opinion.
Nalod wrote:"Nalod and morality police".
I have yet to issue any type of opinion. Typical childish deflection when called out.
Yesterday was only had speculation. Today we have tangible facts.I think the suspension is fair. He broke no laws. This is very different than banishment for Heroin or other repeat abusers of previous drug offense.
This is not domestic violence, or other felony under investigation.
He did not outright break the Gun rules as spelled out by the CBA.
What he did was really fuck up. League had to do something otherwise every anti gun group would scream at NBA sponsor/Partners. To do more engages the pro gun activists to do the same. NBA had to find a middle ground to make a lot of people happy and find some point by which Morant effects some type of change to his VISIBLE ACTIVITIES.
His apology was already in the can. They had to also protect the sponsors of league and for Jah. To fight it would be bad for business for everyone, To have it challanged and ban reduced would dilute the message. This seems negotiated to where NBA statement and Jah's was part of it.As with most things, like when Teens get caught doing bad things they usually get away with far more. Perhaps NBA saw things outside of this but had no legal means go further or perhaps it only works to make Jah look even worse. Who benefits from that? Think about it, why would Silver or the league reduce one of its bright stars, penalize an owner more, and embarrass its sponsor/Partners? He lost 30% of his season. No team meetings, no practice with team. Its not light.
Just an opinion.
Spare me the nonsense. Miles Bridges got only 5 more games for assaulting his wife. Ja hurt nobody. He’s a dumb punk but 25 games is the most he deserved to be suspended
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:"Nalod and morality police".
I have yet to issue any type of opinion. Typical childish deflection when called out.
Yesterday was only had speculation. Today we have tangible facts.I think the suspension is fair. He broke no laws. This is very different than banishment for Heroin or other repeat abusers of previous drug offense.
This is not domestic violence, or other felony under investigation.
He did not outright break the Gun rules as spelled out by the CBA.
What he did was really fuck up. League had to do something otherwise every anti gun group would scream at NBA sponsor/Partners. To do more engages the pro gun activists to do the same. NBA had to find a middle ground to make a lot of people happy and find some point by which Morant effects some type of change to his VISIBLE ACTIVITIES.
His apology was already in the can. They had to also protect the sponsors of league and for Jah. To fight it would be bad for business for everyone, To have it challanged and ban reduced would dilute the message. This seems negotiated to where NBA statement and Jah's was part of it.As with most things, like when Teens get caught doing bad things they usually get away with far more. Perhaps NBA saw things outside of this but had no legal means go further or perhaps it only works to make Jah look even worse. Who benefits from that? Think about it, why would Silver or the league reduce one of its bright stars, penalize an owner more, and embarrass its sponsor/Partners? He lost 30% of his season. No team meetings, no practice with team. Its not light.
Just an opinion.Spare me the nonsense. Miles Bridges got only 5 more games for assaulting his wife. Ja hurt nobody. He’s a dumb punk but 25 games is the most he deserved to be suspended
You did see the part where I said it was fair. Right? You did see the part where I explained myself. You that lazy?
As for Miles Bridges, He did not play last season and League has determined 20 of this 30 games as being served.
He did plea and got 3 years probation.
Is it fair? Which part? That he was a free agent and signed with nobody? Not sure anyone wanted to touch that. The part were the NBA gave him 30 after missing 82?
Or that he only got 3 years probation and not any jail time? His priors? I don't know about any of that.
Jah Hurt nobody? If you read HIS STATEMENT, which I doubt he wrote, but it states a big apology to his team, league, his fans and sponsors. He hurt his employer, the league (brand), the sponsers who believed in him, and the fans.
DId he shoot anyone? Now. Was he suspended prior? Yes. League has a very strict history of not going easy when a player has a second offense after a suspenstion.
The league is a business. They are in the business of selling tickets, sponserships and return of equity to its investors and partners. TV partners spend a lot of money to purchase their brand. If you don't understand the basic economics of the league then I can't help you.
His suspension might have cost him 40mil as he did not make all NBA.
So as far as 'detrimental to the league' I would want to see some proof that engaging in law- abiding activity is detrimental. Maybe the NBA got letters from sponsors threatening they would end contracts. The other argument is that Ja is modeling poor behavior, as if violence is some how connected to Ja's IG account.
I'd also add that the NBA's actions are far more harmful to society than anything Ja did. The two examples being crypto, which the NBA has been happy to accept advertising dollars for to promote what was, at best, a Ponzi scheme and at worst a way for criminal organizations to launder their profits, and their whole hearted embrace of gambling to the point where NBA contracted announcers are required to give their picks on air. As an aside, I don't remember Mike Breen ever making a pick; at least one guy has the integrity and clout to tell the NBA to fuck off.
You might want to debate the morality of gambling and crypto vs. guns but we can all agree that their are large segments of the population that see all three as rights adults are allowed to engage in and only one of them is sanctioned by the Constitution.
Far more worrisome is the suicidal idealization of pointing a gun to your head. That's a mental health issue. I'm not a professional, but I'd be really interested in seeing the literature on punishment as a cure for mental health.
In sum, the NBA only has the most nebulous legal and moral authority to suspend Ja. Richard Pryor describes Jim Brown saving him in Live on the Sunset Strip. That kind of approach seems like it would be much more successful.
gradyandrew wrote:I'm with PhilC here. Choking a woman is illegal. Smoking weed (at least when players were suspended for it) is illegal. Gambling is prohibited in contracts. In Tennessee, you are allowed concealed and open carry anywhere, including your car or boat (as long as you legally own the firearm).So as far as 'detrimental to the league' I would want to see some proof that engaging in law- abiding activity is detrimental. Maybe the NBA got letters from sponsors threatening they would end contracts. The other argument is that Ja is modeling poor behavior, as if violence is some how connected to Ja's IG account.
I'd also add that the NBA's actions are far more harmful to society than anything Ja did. The two examples being crypto, which the NBA has been happy to accept advertising dollars for to promote what was, at best, a Ponzi scheme and at worst a way for criminal organizations to launder their profits, and their whole hearted embrace of gambling to the point where NBA contracted announcers are required to give their picks on air. As an aside, I don't remember Mike Breen ever making a pick; at least one guy has the integrity and clout to tell the NBA to fuck off.
You might want to debate the morality of gambling and crypto vs. guns but we can all agree that their are large segments of the population that see all three as rights adults are allowed to engage in and only one of them is sanctioned by the Constitution.
Far more worrisome is the suicidal idealization of pointing a gun to your head. That's a mental health issue. I'm not a professional, but I'd be really interested in seeing the literature on punishment as a cure for mental health.
In sum, the NBA only has the most nebulous legal and moral authority to suspend Ja. Richard Pryor describes Jim Brown saving him in Live on the Sunset Strip. That kind of approach seems like it would be much more successful.
I don't agree with you but appreciate your attempt to explain your position.
Lets get one thing clear, the NBA is not above being called hypocritical. They have in the past. The are corp whores whose goal is to create revenue streams and profit.
There are gray areas here.
Nobody said Jah can't do all his crazy shit, but he signed a contract and accepts the money and fame in the league. A league he willingly HE accepts to be employed by.
He accepts the CBA that shares revenue. He can go flip burgers and play ball at the YMCA. Nobody is locking him up, thus his constitutional right are being upheld. The league suspended him and can. You don't see the other 448 players getting suspended do you? One beat his wife and has legal troubles.
Jah was in the opinion of the league and the Grizz opinion diminishing its brand. Did the union come out and defend him? Did he push back and threaten to sue them back for denying him ability to earn his wage? Not that I can see.
MaTT4281 wrote:Side note - this effectively excludes him from any possible all-NBA awards next year with the new game requirement.
Yep. There are consequences to not being a good ambassador of the game.
And, if players do stupid shit and the league loses its credibility, he taking money from other players.
They revenue share. All in the CBA.
What we do know: league has a history of being light on first suspensions and heavy on repeat offense.
What is up in the air: The NBA did not cite a specific rule and thus is open to criticism for "best interests of the league".
I wonder what the penalty will be for the third offense.
Oh wait. Actually I no longer care.
KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.
I think this is probably the right way to view the suspension. Sean Beckwith at dead spin.com had a good article where he wrote the heavy punishment was because it was a repeat offense of the same thing he had recently done before. Without dropping the hammer the NBA would have looked powerless. So it wasn't so much about posting with a gun but about a pattern of behavior. NBAPA and Ja have a month to contest and send it to arbitration. We'll see what happens.
KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.
The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?
Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?
I don’t know rurite, especially since it has nothing to do with my post you are ostensibly responding to. But do your thing baby!
Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?
And this was just days ago. The guy was arrested. No your not right. Not at all the same scenario. 4th round pick is not the face of the franchise and the one of top players in the league who get marketed and in return big endorsement deals. Is he? On a guaranteed 4 year, 4mm deal with all kinds of outs for the patriots.
He not on a video because nobody knows who he is.
And now, he did not flaunt it to the masses AFTER being suspended and was reminded of the consequences after a suspension and was seeking stress and counseling dealing with his life.
Jack Jones tried to bring a gun on to a commercial flight.
Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?
And this was just days ago. The guy was arrested. No your not right. Not at all the same scenario. 4th round pick is not the face of the franchise and the one of top players in the league who get marketed and in return big endorsement deals. Is he? On a guaranteed 4 year, 4mm deal with all kinds of outs for the patriots.
He not on a video because nobody knows who he is.
And now, he did not flaunt it to the masses AFTER being suspended and was reminded of the consequences after a suspension and was seeking stress and counseling dealing with his life.
Jack Jones tried to bring a gun on to a commercial flight.
This is all overhyped nonsense. Thanks for letting us know you are chugging media kool aid. A NFL player tries to bring a firearm onto a plane no one cares but it’s the end of the world if Ja Morant has a video
Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?
And this was just days ago. The guy was arrested. No your not right. Not at all the same scenario. 4th round pick is not the face of the franchise and the one of top players in the league who get marketed and in return big endorsement deals. Is he? On a guaranteed 4 year, 4mm deal with all kinds of outs for the patriots.
He not on a video because nobody knows who he is.
And now, he did not flaunt it to the masses AFTER being suspended and was reminded of the consequences after a suspension and was seeking stress and counseling dealing with his life.
Jack Jones tried to bring a gun on to a commercial flight.This is all overhyped nonsense. Thanks for letting us know you are chugging media kool aid. A NFL player tries to bring a firearm onto a plane no one cares but it’s the end of the world if Ja Morant has a video
You do realize, different leagues/different commissioners/different tolerances/different CBAs, right?
joec32033 wrote:Philc1 wrote:Nalod wrote:Philc1 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Why do people keep ignoring it isn’t just the gun? It’s a pattern of behavior. And like it or not legality isn’t the main issue - it’s code of conduct for an employer. Like it or not he is having to answer for his behavior. This is notwithstanding the sins of the corporate NBA. Or society. Just cause and effect. And definitely not about my opinion.The patriots have a player who just tried to bring a loaded firearm with a bump stock on a plane — but at least he didn’t post a video of it on social media amirite?
And this was just days ago. The guy was arrested. No your not right. Not at all the same scenario. 4th round pick is not the face of the franchise and the one of top players in the league who get marketed and in return big endorsement deals. Is he? On a guaranteed 4 year, 4mm deal with all kinds of outs for the patriots.
He not on a video because nobody knows who he is.
And now, he did not flaunt it to the masses AFTER being suspended and was reminded of the consequences after a suspension and was seeking stress and counseling dealing with his life.
Jack Jones tried to bring a gun on to a commercial flight.This is all overhyped nonsense. Thanks for letting us know you are chugging media kool aid. A NFL player tries to bring a firearm onto a plane no one cares but it’s the end of the world if Ja Morant has a video
You do realize, different leagues/different commissioners/different tolerances/different CBAs, right?
Ja Morant is a Global superstar with big endorsement deals. Jack Jones is relatively obscure by comparison.
Ja Morant got suspended for 8 games. Said to all what they wanted to hear then went back on his word. Its not him vs Adam Silver. The fans, sponsers, His employer, TV, ESPN, all who promote him. Conspire to knock him down? Why, he is a star. ESPN likes showing his games and high lights. Brings in ratings. NBA? They like Stars. Griz? The like selling seats. Nike? They like selling shoes.
Want to equate? Jones is arrested for a felony. He might be suspended until his fate is determined. NBA does this right? Get arrested for a felony your suspended until resolved.
Jah was not arrested. Not the same.
Say Jones got big game, and is reinstated after his LEGAL ISSUES ARE RESOLVED, say he pleas out to give up his guns and say a period of probation. Maybe 2-3-5 years? I have no idea. Assuming he is a first time offender. League clears him. How long does this take? 4 mos? 6 mos? A year?
Ok, he gets back on the field. Then he violates his parole. He goes to jail. No more career until he gets out.
Compare to Jones with Jah? We only a few days into his arrest. I’d say his troubles are far greater than Jah. The money? Not even close. Jones never made that kind of coin. If Jah did what Jones did then what are the ramifications? Then you parity.