VDesai wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Knixkik wrote:I wonder what’s going on with McCullar. It’s clearly a health concern with his knee, but seems like unfinished business there. He’s been injured since the college season. Did he ever actually get a surgery ? This is all the reason he fell out of the first round. His stock was as high as middle of the first round (even late lottery) at one point. On paper the Knicks got a steal and a perfect fit. Is he a 2-way guy? Or is there still a chance they use the 15th roster spot on him. All unknowns at this point but it’s an interesting situation.
There was rumor floated out on one of the podcasts that his knee condition might be degenerative. Let's hope not for his sake.
Would the Knicks let McCullar go unsigned if he's out for the year? Retain his rights and re-visit when healthy?
I think that's the likely scenario.
Ok. Admittedly I am bored. And Utah doesn’t really make moves for no reason or cheaply. But I think a move that helps us more than they, but will give us a good standing at Celtics would be:
Randle
Robinson
McBride
Rights to Joku
Det Pick
Was Pick
Pick swaps on 26, 28
As many extra seconds as needed
I would cash in all my chips here. I don’t have much more to give. Utah goes all in on tanking for Cooper Flagg. Randle teaches their kids how to workout. Randle gets them to work on the block. Knicks boost their eFG with significant talent. Doubt Utah does this, but I think this makes us a 60 win team and has us gunning for Boston.
Markannen
Sexton
Kessler
Brunson/ Sexton / Kolek
Bridges / DDV / Payne
OG / Hart / KBD
Markannen / Dadiet / ______
Kessler / Achiuwa / Sims
Tons of firepower on a 4-1 motion offense. Assumes Kessler can pass to an open man when needed.
Second unit is a little soft in the paint. Nothing to really do about it this year unless some bigs get cut. I just assume that we will use a small ball PF and hope Chewey can handle a second unit C. Philly might be a problem.
Markannen is what I hope Dadiet can be.
Kessler is a younger version of what Robinson has been. Pretty solid goalie. Not much more on offense.
We get a little more room under the apron and a solid TPE (8.6m) to hopefully grab something cheap (free) in a salary dump.
How much more can Utah get than
All NBA Randle?
MitchBeast
Future DPOY McBride
Two possible mid lottery picks / four seconds
Joku rights
Swaps from Knicks
Seconds. Lots of seconds.
Anyway, this is the best I could come up with for us. Don’t want a Superstar. Want complimentary pieces to Brunson and scoring in the second unit. All with a defensive flair.
EwingsGlass wrote:Ok. Admittedly I am bored. And Utah doesn’t really make moves for no reason or cheaply. But I think a move that helps us more than they, but will give us a good standing at Celtics would be:Randle
Robinson
McBride
Rights to Joku
Det Pick
Was Pick
Pick swaps on 26, 28
As many extra seconds as needed
I would cash in all my chips here. I don’t have much more to give. Utah goes all in on tanking for Cooper Flagg. Randle teaches their kids how to workout. Randle gets them to work on the block. Knicks boost their eFG with significant talent. Doubt Utah does this, but I think this makes us a 60 win team and has us gunning for Boston.
Markannen
Sexton
Kessler
Brunson/ Sexton / Kolek
Bridges / DDV / Payne
OG / Hart / KBD
Markannen / Dadiet / ______
Kessler / Achiuwa / Sims
Tons of firepower on a 4-1 motion offense. Assumes Kessler can pass to an open man when needed.
Second unit is a little soft in the paint. Nothing to really do about it this year unless some bigs get cut. I just assume that we will use a small ball PF and hope Chewey can handle a second unit C. Philly might be a problem.
Markannen is what I hope Dadiet can be.
Kessler is a younger version of what Robinson has been. Pretty solid goalie. Not much more on offense.
We get a little more room under the apron and a solid TPE (8.6m) to hopefully grab something cheap (free) in a salary dump.
How much more can Utah get than
All NBA Randle?
MitchBeast
Future DPOY McBride
Two possible mid lottery picks / four seconds
Joku rights
Swaps from Knicks
Seconds. Lots of seconds.
Anyway, this is the best I could come up with for us. Don’t want a Superstar. Want complimentary pieces to Brunson and scoring in the second unit. All with a defensive flair.
Cool stuff. Does the money work?
I'd try to keep it simple keeping Randle, not get Markkenen but make Kessler the object to obtain.
Why do we think Ainge wants to move him other than hording picks and being greedy?
I know the optics are there but I gather when Rosas/Leon are trying to make a deal they understand the direction he wants to in and behooves us help him also.
Thats the "adult trade". If Ainge is not reasonable there is no deal. If Ainge is upfront about it, and I would gather he is, then I'd have no issue.
At the right price, perhaps an inflated one Kessler is available.
Good trade take for a slow summer day.......
EwingsGlass wrote:Ok. Admittedly I am bored. And Utah doesn’t really make moves for no reason or cheaply. But I think a move that helps us more than they, but will give us a good standing at Celtics would be:Randle
Robinson
McBride
Rights to Joku
Det Pick
Was Pick
Pick swaps on 26, 28
As many extra seconds as needed
I would cash in all my chips here. I don’t have much more to give. Utah goes all in on tanking for Cooper Flagg. Randle teaches their kids how to workout. Randle gets them to work on the block. Knicks boost their eFG with significant talent. Doubt Utah does this, but I think this makes us a 60 win team and has us gunning for Boston.
Markannen
Sexton
Kessler
Brunson/ Sexton / Kolek
Bridges / DDV / Payne
OG / Hart / KBD
Markannen / Dadiet / ______
Kessler / Achiuwa / Sims
Tons of firepower on a 4-1 motion offense. Assumes Kessler can pass to an open man when needed.
Second unit is a little soft in the paint. Nothing to really do about it this year unless some bigs get cut. I just assume that we will use a small ball PF and hope Chewey can handle a second unit C. Philly might be a problem.
Markannen is what I hope Dadiet can be.
Kessler is a younger version of what Robinson has been. Pretty solid goalie. Not much more on offense.
We get a little more room under the apron and a solid TPE (8.6m) to hopefully grab something cheap (free) in a salary dump.
How much more can Utah get than
All NBA Randle?
MitchBeast
Future DPOY McBride
Two possible mid lottery picks / four seconds
Joku rights
Swaps from Knicks
Seconds. Lots of seconds.
Anyway, this is the best I could come up with for us. Don’t want a Superstar. Want complimentary pieces to Brunson and scoring in the second unit. All with a defensive flair.
I love the idea but unfortunately I think that package might not even be enough for Jazz to give us ONLY Markannen.
You've got no unprotected picks, 2 highly protected picks (1 I think could convert to 2s or nothing) and 2 swaps when in all likelihood Utah picks would be better than Knick swaps. You also dump older Randle, injured Mitch and limited Deuce on Utah --- Ainge isn't going to want that IMO.
I like the idea - me personally I would absolutely trust Markannen to show up in the playoffs over Julius and if we needed someone to hit a big open 3 I'd definitely prefer Markannen taking that shot vs Julius and his playoff %s.
Add in argument that both Kessler and Sexton may have more head-head value vs always injured Mitch and smallish 2-guard Deuce.
I'm in the move Randle for the right deal gang -- just not sure what that is --- thinking we will need a 3rd team (ex Clippers) that is still in win now window that could help boost our package of picks to another team to net a star like player.
For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.
Knixkik wrote:For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.
I don't think so. More likely Knicks start the season with Robinson Achiuwa and Sims as the 3 centers and Bridges DDV nd McBride as the 3 SG. Payne and Kolek will backup Brunson.
If Robinson goes down, the Knicks won't panic and will give a stretch of games to see if they can make it with the guys on their roster.
gradyandrew wrote:Knixkik wrote:For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.
I don't think so. More likely Knicks start the season with Robinson Achiuwa and Sims as the 3 centers and Bridges DDV nd McBride as the 3 SG. Payne and Kolek will backup Brunson.
If Robinson goes down, the Knicks won't panic and will give a stretch of games to see if they can make it with the guys on their roster.
Agreed. I think OG, Randle, Precious could easily cover the 4/5 during the season.
TheMTL wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Knixkik wrote:For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.
I don't think so. More likely Knicks start the season with Robinson Achiuwa and Sims as the 3 centers and Bridges DDV nd McBride as the 3 SG. Payne and Kolek will backup Brunson.
If Robinson goes down, the Knicks won't panic and will give a stretch of games to see if they can make it with the guys on their roster.
Agreed. I think OG, Randle, Precious could easily cover the 4/5 during the season.
As fragile as OG is I don't see him necessarily being healthy if Mitch isn't. But I hope a line up like OG aJulius Bridges Dante and Brunson makes its appearance for stretches
Could we see a delay similar for Randle?
If we extend him he can't be traded. If Randle wants his payday and knicks not inclined to do so for what ever reason then we try to move him to a team that will or, he goes thru the season. If its not a good one, he gets 30 mil and delays his free agency. If he kills it, he can get a max as he declines remaining year if there are teams willing to pay him.
Its all out there BTW. If knicks are hesitant about his health or playoff performances so might other teams? Those not, might be fine to trade for him?
its all a fluid situation. Some rumors might be valid such as KAT. Maybe it all gets done closer to camp when his shoulder can be fully tested? Maybe there is a big deal brewing?
KAT is with CAA so you never know. Kat and Randle both went to Kentucky. Kat is from NJ! Villanova and Kentucky are both "wildcats". KAT played with Thibs before. Rosas was with Minny. See how it all is so fucking irrelevant but if you string it together with red string it start to look really "convenient". Right, C'mon guys, you know how this works.......
Really, who knows. Today there was a story on Randle and they repeating all we know thus far.
Wow, talk about under the radar
BigDaddyG wrote:Wow, talk about under the radar
Would love to see an injury update on him.
Would like to see a Jacob Toppin for Enrique Freeman trade with the Pacers. Not sure why Toppin and Freeman haven’t signed yet, but maybe let the brothers be together.
martin wrote:
DSJ — my my how the mighty have fallen
Alpha1971 wrote:TheMTL wrote:gradyandrew wrote:Knixkik wrote:For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.
I don't think so. More likely Knicks start the season with Robinson Achiuwa and Sims as the 3 centers and Bridges DDV nd McBride as the 3 SG. Payne and Kolek will backup Brunson.
If Robinson goes down, the Knicks won't panic and will give a stretch of games to see if they can make it with the guys on their roster.
Agreed. I think OG, Randle, Precious could easily cover the 4/5 during the season.
As fragile as OG is I don't see him necessarily being healthy if Mitch isn't. But I hope a line up like OG aJulius Bridges Dante and Brunson makes its appearance for stretches
OG is probably going to have a sixth man role this season with Bridges and Randle starting at the forward positions. That will help preserve his health during the regular season
Philc1 wrote:martin wrote:
DSJ — my my how the mighty have fallen
I don't follow him but thought he played excellent man D but he can't shoot.
All the athleticism and he can't do the one thing. Shoot from distance.
Kids that are blessed with too much and never spent an ounce on fundamentals.
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Crazy numbers. I recall Magic Johnson's million dollar a year for 25 years being dinged by league office as improper.
