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Chandler @ 8/7/2024 11:59 AM
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Crazy numbers. I recall Magic Johnson's million dollar a year for 25 years being dinged by league office as improper.
martin @ 8/7/2024 12:04 PM
Chandler wrote:'
Crazy numbers. I recall Magic Johnson's million dollar a year for 25 years being dinged by league office as improper.

Insane, right? Imaging going from being paid $18.M per and then tripling that salary going forward lol Jesus

BigDaddyG @ 8/7/2024 5:01 PM
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:'
Crazy numbers. I recall Magic Johnson's million dollar a year for 25 years being dinged by league office as improper.

Insane, right? Imaging going from being paid $18.M per and then tripling that salary going forward lol Jesus

We've finally reached a point where Allan Houston's 6 year/$100M contract would be considered a bargain.

EwingsGlass @ 8/7/2024 7:26 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
martin wrote:
Chandler wrote:'
Crazy numbers. I recall Magic Johnson's million dollar a year for 25 years being dinged by league office as improper.

Insane, right? Imaging going from being paid $18.M per and then tripling that salary going forward lol Jesus

We've finally reached a point where Allan Houston's 6 year/$100M contract would be considered a bargain.

And the Tim Hardaway, Jr contract. Man, I went nuts over that.

martin @ 8/7/2024 8:36 PM
Some thought Brunson was on overpay 3 years ago averaging ~$25m after proving himself in playoffs.

Lauri has yet to even sniff that level and never been to playoffs.

Amazing TV money

LivingLegend @ 8/7/2024 10:32 PM
martin wrote:Some thought Brunson was on overpay 3 years ago averaging ~$25m after proving himself in playoffs.

Lauri has yet to even sniff that level and never been to playoffs.

Amazing TV money

Yet Bobby Marks saying if Leon tells Julius to decline his option and we will give you 3 for $100M that Julius should take the offer.

Said Julius can play this out and take this to free agency in 2 years but he’ll be 2 years older and Marks thinks he should jump on guaranteed $ now.

Was kind of shocked by this but at a minimum tells you a bit what Marks thinks of Julius and his leverage.

martin @ 8/7/2024 11:26 PM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:Some thought Brunson was on overpay 3 years ago averaging ~$25m after proving himself in playoffs.

Lauri has yet to even sniff that level and never been to playoffs.

Amazing TV money

Yet Bobby Marks saying if Leon tells Julius to decline his option and we will give you 3 for $100M that Julius should take the offer.

Said Julius can play this out and take this to free agency in 2 years but he’ll be 2 years older and Marks thinks he should jump on guaranteed $ now.

Was kind of shocked by this but at a minimum tells you a bit what Marks thinks of Julius and his leverage.

Right, he didn’t last long as an assistant GM

LivingLegend @ 8/8/2024 9:48 AM
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:Some thought Brunson was on overpay 3 years ago averaging ~$25m after proving himself in playoffs.

Lauri has yet to even sniff that level and never been to playoffs.

Amazing TV money

Yet Bobby Marks saying if Leon tells Julius to decline his option and we will give you 3 for $100M that Julius should take the offer.

Said Julius can play this out and take this to free agency in 2 years but he’ll be 2 years older and Marks thinks he should jump on guaranteed $ now.

Was kind of shocked by this but at a minimum tells you a bit what Marks thinks of Julius and his leverage.

Right, he didn’t last long as an assistant GM

I would certainly trust your opinion over a guy like Mark's with literally no NBA cap management experience.

What are you paying Randle?

martin @ 8/8/2024 10:05 AM
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:
LivingLegend wrote:
martin wrote:Some thought Brunson was on overpay 3 years ago averaging ~$25m after proving himself in playoffs.

Lauri has yet to even sniff that level and never been to playoffs.

Amazing TV money

Yet Bobby Marks saying if Leon tells Julius to decline his option and we will give you 3 for $100M that Julius should take the offer.

Said Julius can play this out and take this to free agency in 2 years but he’ll be 2 years older and Marks thinks he should jump on guaranteed $ now.

Was kind of shocked by this but at a minimum tells you a bit what Marks thinks of Julius and his leverage.

Right, he didn’t last long as an assistant GM

I would certainly trust your opinion over a guy like Mark's with literally no NBA cap management experience.

What are you paying Randle?

I don't know more than Mark but $33M per for 3 years is not thoughtful. That's more of a pay cut than Brunson without the relationship stuff going on, so it's more of an insult offer than a real offer.

At this point in the game, Brunson and Mikal (most likely) will be underpaid but they got return in their situation, so their is some level of fair exchange going on. Knicks need to reach that point with Randle. $100 for 3 years is not that.

martin @ 8/8/2024 10:48 AM
gradyandrew @ 8/8/2024 7:57 PM

martin wrote:
I don't know more than Mark but $33M per for 3 years is not thoughtful. That's more of a pay cut than Brunson without the relationship stuff going on, so it's more of an insult offer than a real offer.

At this point in the game, Brunson and Mikal (most likely) will be underpaid but they got return in their situation, so their is some level of fair exchange going on. Knicks need to reach that point with Randle. $100 for 3 years is not that.

Look at the Paul George situation that just went down in LA. PG wanted to jump ship because he felt a lack of respect from the Clippers. Once free agency rolled around negotiations with LAC were already over.

Alpha1971 @ 8/8/2024 8:30 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:
I don't know more than Mark but $33M per for 3 years is not thoughtful. That's more of a pay cut than Brunson without the relationship stuff going on, so it's more of an insult offer than a real offer.

At this point in the game, Brunson and Mikal (most likely) will be underpaid but they got return in their situation, so their is some level of fair exchange going on. Knicks need to reach that point with Randle. $100 for 3 years is not that.

Look at the Paul George situation that just went down in LA. PG wanted to jump ship because he felt a lack of respect from the Clippers. Once free agency rolled around negotiations with LAC were already over.

Paul George to the Sixers feels a lot like the Knicks signing Amare. Overpriced deal for a risk injury, a player his team wanted no part of at such numbers. Maybe Paul George gives em a few good years but it s risk

Nalod @ 8/9/2024 8:33 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:
I don't know more than Mark but $33M per for 3 years is not thoughtful. That's more of a pay cut than Brunson without the relationship stuff going on, so it's more of an insult offer than a real offer.

At this point in the game, Brunson and Mikal (most likely) will be underpaid but they got return in their situation, so their is some level of fair exchange going on. Knicks need to reach that point with Randle. $100 for 3 years is not that.

Look at the Paul George situation that just went down in LA. PG wanted to jump ship because he felt a lack of respect from the Clippers. Once free agency rolled around negotiations with LAC were already over.

Paul George to the Sixers feels a lot like the Knicks signing Amare. Overpriced deal for a risk injury, a player his team wanted no part of at such numbers. Maybe Paul George gives em a few good years but it s risk

No doubt its a risk. Amare wanted 4 years from Suns but they only offered 3 given his knees and back issues. This was a medical opinion and it proved to be spot on. Amare was consolation prize after we wiffed on Lebron.
We gave him 5 as it has been said he would go back to suns for 3 if he could not get 5 from us.
PG13 I don't believe has any degenerative injury concerns other than age and perhaps the expectation is he plays 65 games or so.
Waiting for him in Philly is very young Allstar soon to be all NBA Maxey and (Hate him or not) Embiid who is still a top 3 MVP player if he makes it 65 or more games. Amare came to a young team that was soon gutted when Melo was traded.

PG13 if resigned to LA was very much about money. He wanted it and LA was going to the second apron and thats a bad place to be if you not contending for real.

I get the comparison but Philly on paper is a legit contender were knicks were middle of the pack.
Things have to all work out for them to win it, but thats true with most of the league.

BigDaddyG @ 8/9/2024 12:19 PM
I understand how these things happen. Same thing happened when I tried to recruit Connie Perignon the other day.🤷

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gradyandrew @ 8/9/2024 6:23 PM
Nalod wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
martin wrote:
I don't know more than Mark but $33M per for 3 years is not thoughtful. That's more of a pay cut than Brunson without the relationship stuff going on, so it's more of an insult offer than a real offer.

At this point in the game, Brunson and Mikal (most likely) will be underpaid but they got return in their situation, so their is some level of fair exchange going on. Knicks need to reach that point with Randle. $100 for 3 years is not that.

Look at the Paul George situation that just went down in LA. PG wanted to jump ship because he felt a lack of respect from the Clippers. Once free agency rolled around negotiations with LAC were already over.

Paul George to the Sixers feels a lot like the Knicks signing Amare. Overpriced deal for a risk injury, a player his team wanted no part of at such numbers. Maybe Paul George gives em a few good years but it s risk

No doubt its a risk. Amare wanted 4 years from Suns but they only offered 3 given his knees and back issues. This was a medical opinion and it proved to be spot on. Amare was consolation prize after we wiffed on Lebron.
We gave him 5 as it has been said he would go back to suns for 3 if he could not get 5 from us.
PG13 I don't believe has any degenerative injury concerns other than age and perhaps the expectation is he plays 65 games or so.
Waiting for him in Philly is very young Allstar soon to be all NBA Maxey and (Hate him or not) Embiid who is still a top 3 MVP player if he makes it 65 or more games. Amare came to a young team that was soon gutted when Melo was traded.

PG13 if resigned to LA was very much about money. He wanted it and LA was going to the second apron and thats a bad place to be if you not contending for real.

I get the comparison but Philly on paper is a legit contender were knicks were middle of the pack.
Things have to all work out for them to win it, but thats true with most of the league.

Not to mention that even before free agency, it was somehow leaked that no insurers were willing to have anything to do with Amares contract. You can't really have more of a red flag than that.

gradyandrew @ 8/9/2024 6:28 PM
That Lauri deal sets the bar pretty high for the Randle extension. Can the extension be signed at anytime before Feb. 6 or does it need to be signed during the offseason？
EwingsGlass @ 8/9/2024 7:01 PM
gradyandrew wrote:That Lauri deal sets the bar pretty high for the Randle extension. Can the extension be signed at anytime before Feb. 6 or does it need to be signed during the offseason？

The similarities between Markannen and Randle stop at the fact they both play PF. 23 & 8 off 39% 3pt and a .631 eFG on 25% usage is elite. Markannen is among the most efficient players in the game with elite positional size.

And, I would argue his contract this year is about hitting the league minimum payroll (they were short 24mm), and that he actually took a discount in the remaining years since they paid him the extra 24mm this year.

I think Utah had to know that Markannen would absolutely get max contract offers from any team that is using eFG as a guide to efficiency. I think Randle MAY get something close, but its more circumstantial and the number of teams capable of paying him next year are far fewer. Siakam figured out how to get paid, so Randle will too. Similar player models. I value Randle more than Siakam, but Randle's shot selection and court awareness is worse, which makes his stats look depreciated.

BigDaddyG @ 8/9/2024 11:34 PM
Glad Svi got a bag.
Knixkik @ 8/13/2024 9:21 AM
martin wrote:

Doesn’t seem like much out there for Randle unless the nets get weird and decide they need to spend their money somewhere. Randle needs a team to use as leverage to get any leverage back. Ultimately he’s a CAA client and if there’s no real offer out there elsewhere, I would think there’s a common ground somewhere between Randle and the Knicks. If bridges signs a similar extension that Brunson did, then maybe the compromise for Randle is a contract in the range of both bridges and Brunson. So about 40M per year. Is a 3-year extension at 120M off of his player option fair ? So 4 years 150?

Nalod @ 8/13/2024 10:13 AM
Philc1 wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
TheMTL wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Knixkik wrote:For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.

I don't think so. More likely Knicks start the season with Robinson Achiuwa and Sims as the 3 centers and Bridges DDV nd McBride as the 3 SG. Payne and Kolek will backup Brunson.

If Robinson goes down, the Knicks won't panic and will give a stretch of games to see if they can make it with the guys on their roster.

Agreed. I think OG, Randle, Precious could easily cover the 4/5 during the season.

As fragile as OG is I don't see him necessarily being healthy if Mitch isn't. But I hope a line up like OG aJulius Bridges Dante and Brunson makes its appearance for stretches

OG is probably going to have a sixth man role this season with Bridges and Randle starting at the forward positions. That will help preserve his health during the regular season

Fresh off a $212mm new contract a player to be relegated to the bench based on the reasons you stated?
Is there an injury he is rehabbing to start the season?
Any thought to using Bridges at the 2?
I could almost see Mikal subbing in for the 2 and 3, Almost, but I don't see it.
I say that because OG might be first to come off the floor. Then Bridges in, and he can slide to the 2 when OG comes back and DDV needs a breather.
Bridges still gets starter minutes.
You said "probably" as your likley scenario? You really think this through?

Knixkik @ 8/13/2024 10:58 AM
Nalod wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
TheMTL wrote:
gradyandrew wrote:
Knixkik wrote:For what it’s worth I do see the Payne signing as a prerequisite to moving Deuce for a center. It’s not set in stone but if the right center becomes available, deuce is the guy who has real value given the contract. Whether it’s Kessler, Richards, Isaiah jackson or someone completely random, deuce would be the asset. I think we are more likely to move him than Achiuwa. Achiuwa will still be needed as a third trustworthy big man. After this summer, the Knicks are probably pretty happy with both Payne and Kolek as backups for Brunson, as well as Rokas in the pipeline. He’s a 4th guard who can play 2 positions off the bench and has contract outs each summer. I think the Knicks bring him in next summer if deuce is moved.

I don't think so. More likely Knicks start the season with Robinson Achiuwa and Sims as the 3 centers and Bridges DDV nd McBride as the 3 SG. Payne and Kolek will backup Brunson.

If Robinson goes down, the Knicks won't panic and will give a stretch of games to see if they can make it with the guys on their roster.

Agreed. I think OG, Randle, Precious could easily cover the 4/5 during the season.

As fragile as OG is I don't see him necessarily being healthy if Mitch isn't. But I hope a line up like OG aJulius Bridges Dante and Brunson makes its appearance for stretches

OG is probably going to have a sixth man role this season with Bridges and Randle starting at the forward positions. That will help preserve his health during the regular season

Fresh off a $212mm new contract a player to be relegated to the bench based on the reasons you stated?
Is there an injury he is rehabbing to start the season?
Any thought to using Bridges at the 2?
I could almost see Mikal subbing in for the 2 and 3, Almost, but I don't see it.
I say that because OG might be first to come off the floor. Then Bridges in, and he can slide to the 2 when OG comes back and DDV needs a breather.
Bridges still gets starter minutes.
You said "probably" as your likley scenario? You really think this through?

Obviously the starting lineup is set with Bridges at the 2 and OG at the 3, but hart and DiVincenzo will both play starters minutes off the bench and hopefully they can keep OG in the 28-30 mpg range in the regular season.

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