Knicks · Obi to Indy for 2 2nd Rd Picks (page 8)

ToddTT @ 7/8/2023 7:32 AM
martin wrote:
blkexec wrote:
jskinny35 wrote:I would have rather tried for Chris Duarte in an Obi deal as he is a shooter

Terrible draft
Terrible asset management
And horrible trade

Lots of lessons to learn from for Leon and camp

Plus some blame

We got bent over. By the m***** ******* Pacers.

They are having a laugh at our expense right now, and their fans are psyched. The worst case is that they are going to be a fun team to watch. That's a pretty good worst case, for giving up peanuts.

I'm guessing Julius has been as much of an enigma to Leon and crew as the rest of us. So they repeatedly could not figure out what the long-term Obi plan was.

I think the Knicks organization knows they screwed up. And they also wanted to do right by Obi. So they traded him to a great situation, knowing full well they were on the short end of the deal with a conference rival. They even signed his brother, which I'm viewing as a thank you to Obi, and a PR move, until Jacob proves that incorrect.

Questionable draft choice. Terrible asset management. And selling at a disadvantage.

Obi's blame includes not playing better defense, and not playing well enough to grab minutes from an All-NBA player.

Good luck to him... he provided lots of excitement the last few years.

ToddTT @ 7/8/2023 7:35 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:
ESOMKnicks wrote:Well, the two picks amount to essentially the proverbial sack of potatoes. At such a return, I wonder if the Knicks would have been better off just keeping him and risking losing him for nothing next year. Given the low interest for trading real assets for him, I doubt people would bid hard for him in the FA market either.
And even if one writes him off as a star or even a starter in the NBA, it is hard to dispute that he was valuable to the Knicks. His ability to run the floor and get easy buckets in transition literally kept the Knicks in the game on many occasions. He also started to become a legit perimeter threat, often making timely 3 point buckets. Why give him up for essentially nothing when we didn't have to? Do we really need his roster spot? Did his agent present the FO with an ultimatum for Obi to be traded somewhere where he would get more playing time? Or is our FO plain dumb?

Leona son is Obi's agent. Getting Obi paid is a financial motive for the Rose family.

Oh yeah... this!!!

KnickDanger @ 7/8/2023 8:15 AM
From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

Nalod @ 7/8/2023 8:32 AM
Might want to look at that draft again folks.
And the shut down due to covid.
ANd how Duarte and others did not pan out.
Okoro?
Kira Lewis? Look it over.
Wiseman?
Forget IQ would have been a good 8th pick.
Keeping Obi then letting him walk for zilch would be zilch and a dick move
Obi gets a chance to get paid.

It was Obi for two second rounders and DDV.
Remember how we got “fleeced” by the KP deal? In time it proved we did not.
The cap space added? Was Randle. WE killed it.

Sometimes you win, sometimes you don’t.
Lets see how Roby does before we get all cute with our “Fucking knicks, I told you………..”

ToddTT @ 7/8/2023 9:19 AM
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

That's a reasonable summary of a lot of posts.

Obi is a nice player IMO, and was not a terrible pick. Just not the correct one. This I can overlook.

Everyone knew that the move was necessary to acquire DD. Including the Pacers. It doesn't change the fact that the Pacers got something for nothing. And that sucks.

The net result, today, of having the 8th pick three years ago? Virtually no benefit. It is now like the pick never existed at all. And that sucks.

These are all just my opinions. And facts.

Alpha1971 @ 7/8/2023 9:53 AM
ToddTT wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

That's a reasonable summary of a lot of posts.

Obi is a nice player IMO, and was not a terrible pick. Just not the correct one. This I can overlook.

Everyone knew that the move was necessary to acquire DD. Including the Pacers. It doesn't change the fact that the Pacers got something for nothing. And that sucks.

The net result, today, of having the 8th pick three years ago? Virtually no benefit. It is now like the pick never existed at all. And that sucks.

These are all just my opinions. And facts.

If Obi plays well at the 4, no big deal. But if Obi plays well at the 5 and 3 and Thibs never gave him a chance to play a more versatile role, then Thibs should be asked about that

martin @ 7/8/2023 9:55 AM
Alpha1971 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

That's a reasonable summary of a lot of posts.

Obi is a nice player IMO, and was not a terrible pick. Just not the correct one. This I can overlook.

Everyone knew that the move was necessary to acquire DD. Including the Pacers. It doesn't change the fact that the Pacers got something for nothing. And that sucks.

The net result, today, of having the 8th pick three years ago? Virtually no benefit. It is now like the pick never existed at all. And that sucks.

These are all just my opinions. And facts.

If Obi plays well at the 4, no big deal. But if Obi plays well at the 5 and 3 and Thibs never gave him a chance to play a more versatile role, then Thibs should be asked about that

If you can’t already tell that Obi isn’t suitable for the 3&5 positions, who should we ask about that? Cause it’s kinda obvious at this point.

Nalod @ 7/8/2023 10:04 AM
Knox, Frank, and Obi should have produced at least one cornerstone players.
Instead Randle and Brunson are. RJ is on the cusp.
we learn draft position is no guarantee amd knicks are not the only team to suffer.
Obi was not awful and perhaps if Randle was not here he would be putting up numbers.
The market for him was what it was. If DDV contributes and we win 50 games y'all will be happy.
KnickDanger @ 7/8/2023 11:09 AM
ToddTT wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

That's a reasonable summary of a lot of posts.

Obi is a nice player IMO, and was not a terrible pick. Just not the correct one. This I can overlook.

Everyone knew that the move was necessary to acquire DD. Including the Pacers. It doesn't change the fact that the Pacers got something for nothing. And that sucks.

The net result, today, of having the 8th pick three years ago? Virtually no benefit. It is now like the pick never existed at all. And that sucks.

These are all just my opinions. And facts.


Not arguing, just looking to clarify where I am at. I think you can rue the squandering of a lottery pick(s) and then let go and see the bigger picture here and now. My opinions as opposed to observations of others':

1) Obi was another squandered lottery pick and that sucks.
2) I don't know if Obi's talent was not developed or squandered, hard to say. But perhaps he deserves some if not most of the responsibility. Regardless it wasn't happening here for him.
3) Two second rounders seems to be the going rate of return to clear cap and roster space of players on whom the jury is still out. Hard to think the FO didn't do its due diligence.
4) Although doing Obi "a solid" might be the case - there's a payoff in players' perception of the Knicks perhaps.
5) Do a quick rundown of lottery picks and you'll see the Knicks aren't the only team to blow picks. Also not the only team to make mistakes.
6) And it certainly isn't apparent to me that "everyone knows the move was necessary to acquire DD." Most complaints are along the lines of we got fleeced for two seconds. That's hardly taking in the big picture.

Again, I think you can acknowledge negatives without ignoring positives. My peeve with fans and media is in the biased, often emotional, often ignorant presentation of their opinion by leaving out details that are inconvenient to their rant. Of course I will go (more?) insane trying to stamp out those fires.

NYKBocker @ 7/8/2023 11:35 AM
Nalod wrote:Knox, Frank, and Obi should have produced at least one cornerstone players.
Instead Randle and Brunson are. RJ is on the cusp.
we learn draft position is no guarantee amd knicks are not the only team to suffer.
Obi was not awful and perhaps if Randle was not here he would be putting up numbers.
The market for him was what it was. If DDV contributes and we win 50 games y'all will be happy.
Some would still complain
Alpha1971 @ 7/8/2023 3:12 PM
martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:
ToddTT wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

That's a reasonable summary of a lot of posts.

Obi is a nice player IMO, and was not a terrible pick. Just not the correct one. This I can overlook.

Everyone knew that the move was necessary to acquire DD. Including the Pacers. It doesn't change the fact that the Pacers got something for nothing. And that sucks.

The net result, today, of having the 8th pick three years ago? Virtually no benefit. It is now like the pick never existed at all. And that sucks.

These are all just my opinions. And facts.

If Obi plays well at the 4, no big deal. But if Obi plays well at the 5 and 3 and Thibs never gave him a chance to play a more versatile role, then Thibs should be asked about that

If you can’t already tell that Obi isn’t suitable for the 3&5 positions, who should we ask about that? Cause it’s kinda obvious at this point.

Thibs is that you ?

MS @ 7/8/2023 6:33 PM
We were last in the entire league in assists per game.

That falls on Thibs for lack of creativity and offensive scheme.

Obi could have been used more effectively all season he could have played him at the 3 and the 5 to switch things up. We could have ran more pick and roles and back cuts.

6 minutes in game 4 I would have told Thibs the same thing.

Obi needs to get better at the little things, but over playing everyone into the ground and leaving starters on during blowouts is just shitty coaching. He should be getting Mitch some more easy buckets and getting Grimes better looks. He’s needs to make adjustments this year and use all the weapons he has.

Panos @ 7/8/2023 8:39 PM
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:They are both the least favorable amongst like 2-3 teams too. Kinda crappy trade

BigDaddyG wrote:

Leon could’ve used the free version of chatgbt to create a better trade scenario than this. When was the last time Knicks made a trade and didn’t get fleeced?

Sorry, this least favorable second round picks thing is a bit disgusting. What a kick in the balls.

GustavBahler @ 7/9/2023 10:56 AM
I want Obi to be happy with his new team, but not that much. Worst second round picks??
martin @ 7/9/2023 11:21 AM
Obi gonna be a good fit around these 2 guys

Philc1 @ 7/9/2023 11:54 AM
Panos wrote:
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:They are both the least favorable amongst like 2-3 teams too. Kinda crappy trade

BigDaddyG wrote:

Leon could’ve used the free version of chatgbt to create a better trade scenario than this. When was the last time Knicks made a trade and didn’t get fleeced?

Sorry, this least favorable second round picks thing is a bit disgusting. What a kick in the balls.

Indy robbed us

Alpha1971 @ 7/9/2023 12:06 PM
Philc1 wrote:
Panos wrote:
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:They are both the least favorable amongst like 2-3 teams too. Kinda crappy trade

BigDaddyG wrote:

Leon could’ve used the free version of chatgbt to create a better trade scenario than this. When was the last time Knicks made a trade and didn’t get fleeced?

Sorry, this least favorable second round picks thing is a bit disgusting. What a kick in the balls.

Indy robbed us

They owe us a favor ? Down the road ..

LivingLegend @ 7/9/2023 12:37 PM
martin wrote:Obi gonna be a good fit around these 2 guys

There was a bigger highlight clip from yesterday where this kid was really passing the ball and making plays (threading passes, blocks, rebounds, 3’s) all over - he could be legit.

Rookie @ 7/9/2023 1:54 PM
Alpha1971 wrote:
Philc1 wrote:
Panos wrote:
blkexec wrote:
martin wrote:They are both the least favorable amongst like 2-3 teams too. Kinda crappy trade

BigDaddyG wrote:

Leon could’ve used the free version of chatgbt to create a better trade scenario than this. When was the last time Knicks made a trade and didn’t get fleeced?

Sorry, this least favorable second round picks thing is a bit disgusting. What a kick in the balls.

Indy robbed us

They owe us a favor ? Down the road ..

Indy is never in a hundred years going to do us a favor. This was about Leon staying true to CAA. He did CAA a favor.

gradyandrew @ 7/9/2023 8:51 PM
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

Please stop posting this. The Knicks did NOT need to trade Obi to offer DDV the full MLE, As soon as Hart opted in to his Player option the Knicks had the required space. Knicks we're under absolutely 0 pressure or need to trade Obi.

ToddTT @ 7/9/2023 9:45 PM
gradyandrew wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:From reading a lot of the posts the way I understand it is:

1) Obi was a terrible pick
2) Yet by getting only two seconds for him means we got fleeced
3) This creating cap space for the DiVincenzo signing isn’t worth acknowledging much less mentioning

Got it.

Please stop posting this. The Knicks did NOT need to trade Obi to offer DDV the full MLE, As soon as Hart opted in to his Player option the Knicks had the required space. Knicks we're under absolutely 0 pressure or need to trade Obi.

There were multiple reports saying it was necessary to avoid the luxury tax. Were they incorrect? Or are you saying the Knicks should have said screw it, and paid up?

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