I didn’t realize how bad things got
But he is paid 19mm
Yearly to be. a team player even if the coach is being unreasonable
He’s not really owed an explanation he’s owed massive paychecks. And for that compensation he
Rightfully should accept what is.
One day we are going to read an article that EVAN left his wife and started a new life with Jessica Alba. Julius introduced them when they played last playoffs
Trade him to the Celtics. He and Kristaps Douchingis can have a season long p ssy pow wow
Poor Evan. I mean… rich Evan.
I hope they trade him to someone in the East.
Alpha1971 wrote:One day we are going to read an article that EVAN left his wife and started a new life with Jessica Alba. Julius introduced them when they played last playoffs
I think it's more likely he gets hit with sex trafficking charges in Bulgaria.
BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:One day we are going to read an article that EVAN left his wife and started a new life with Jessica Alba. Julius introduced them when they played last playoffs
I think it's more likely he gets hit with sex trafficking charges in Bulgaria.
Bloody hell, that's indicative of a unhealthy dislike of Evan. Andrew Tate he is not. Cut Evan a break. .. 😂. BTW whose the next whipping boy for the team next season ?
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:One day we are going to read an article that EVAN left his wife and started a new life with Jessica Alba. Julius introduced them when they played last playoffs
I think it's more likely he gets hit with sex trafficking charges in Bulgaria.
Bloody hell, that's indicative of a unhealthy dislike of Evan. Andrew Tate he is not. Cut Evan a break. .. 😂. BTW whose the next whipping boy for the team next season ?
I actually like Evan... But the resemblance is uncanny. Evan looks like he could be the villain in the next Take movie.
Not a fan of Fournier but do think the situation could have been handled better/differently. It's not like he was different defensively before he got here or regressed b/c of an injury - he's essentially the same player. It's fine if the FO wasn't on the same page with Thibs and brought him in anyway. It's also okay that he didn't make the shortened rotation as coach decides rotations, etc...
We should remember that Fournier signs here assuming the FO and coach are on the same page and Fournier thinks he will play (since the Knicks sought him out and paid him well). That can contribute to being pissed off 2 years later when you're pretty much bansihed to the bench when you're thinking of your future opportunity for a next contract. Hard to get that if you don't play/earn it.
What could have been different is that if the Knicks decided he was no longer in the plans and they wish to move/trade him - then you can't let him rot on the bench eternally and expect you will get a fair value return in a trade. IMO they could have played him some minutes here and there to show other teams what he does well (along with the fact that we struggle shooting from outside) and maintaining some type of positive relationship while you shop him. Easy to cite the Heat as they didn't play DRob and Herro at times due to their defensive limitations - but used them when needed (instead of outright banishing them) and they both still have some value - which will prob land them in Portland for Dame.
The problem to me goes back to Thibs stubbornness ("my way or the highway" philosophy) and/or the FO and coach not being on the same page. While it may be a shared responsibility between both parties I think they are now paying for their own mistakes and should do right by Fournier if possible.
Knicks are entitled to use his cap as a trade chip. Evan can ask for a buyout for a reduced amount and free to sign else where for less.
Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can.
His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Just wonder why we have to add a pick to trade an expiring contract which can be valuable to an other team, that's so Knicks 😂😂. Other teams trade expiring deals and get back firsts. Still remember when Walsh traded players with picks or for pennies on the dollar to get us ready to get a chance at Lebron. Shouldn't the new CBA make Evan's, deal valuable for a team wanting to get under a Apron level and save them lots of tax money and Freedom
HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Good post agreed on the athlete point and he is leaving his prime years so if he does not play he is looking at vet min next check
HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Agree that EF should not have accepted his role.
His response should have been to learn to play better defense. Or at least hustle on defense.
We should not have signed him.
Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Just wonder why we have to add a pick to trade an expiring contract which can be valuable to an other team, that's so Knicks 😂😂. Other teams trade expiring deals and get back firsts. Still remember when Walsh traded players with picks or for pennies on the dollar to get us ready to get a chance at Lebron. Shouldn't the new CBA make Evan's, deal valuable for a team wanting to get under a Apron level and save them lots of tax money and Freedom
Players that don't get off the bench hold no value, teams will not do the Knicks any favors and rest assure unless it's SA who remains under the cap by 5m imo only contenders will even consider taking him, no reason for a young team to even want him when not contending, it defeats the purpose.
Taking on just under 19m will usually cost some kind of asset in these situations. think about Melo, who was playing but Phil brought his value down, we got two expirings and a 2nd for a 32 year old who just finished the season averaging 22.4 Pts.
The very next season OKC traded Melo and added a first to get Dennis Schroder. Kind of sad but the fit with Randle wasn't good and when you added in Kemba it got to the ouch stage on defense and Jalen isn't exactly a stud on defense.
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:One day we are going to read an article that EVAN left his wife and started a new life with Jessica Alba. Julius introduced them when they played last playoffs
I think it's more likely he gets hit with sex trafficking charges in Bulgaria.
Bloody hell, that's indicative of a unhealthy dislike of Evan. Andrew Tate he is not. Cut Evan a break. .. 😂. BTW whose the next whipping boy for the team next season ?
Fournier is a version of Andrew Tate that has an actual skill and it is not just a big mouth idiot
stillafan wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Just wonder why we have to add a pick to trade an expiring contract which can be valuable to an other team, that's so Knicks 😂😂. Other teams trade expiring deals and get back firsts. Still remember when Walsh traded players with picks or for pennies on the dollar to get us ready to get a chance at Lebron. Shouldn't the new CBA make Evan's, deal valuable for a team wanting to get under a Apron level and save them lots of tax money and Freedom
Players that don't get off the bench hold no value, teams will not do the Knicks any favors and rest assure unless it's SA who remains under the cap by 5m imo only contenders will even consider taking him, no reason for a young team to even want him when not contending, it defeats the purpose.
Taking on just under 19m will usually cost some kind of asset in these situations. think about Melo, who was playing but Phil brought his value down, we got two expirings and a 2nd for a 32 year old who just finished the season averaging 22.4 Pts.
The very next season OKC traded Melo and added a first to get Dennis Schroder. Kind of sad but the fit with Randle wasn't good and when you added in Kemba it got to the ouch stage on defense and Jalen isn't exactly a stud on defense.
I understand that if Evan has more player contribution potential he would be more valuable in a trade right now. But favors aside, at around the deadline another team might decide to rid itself of a contract it does not want to tie itself to going forward and to avoid the ramifications of the new CBA, so that Evans expiring becomes more valuable then it is at the moment regardless if he plays or not. The new CBA has real adverse problems for some teams over the apron
Alpha1971 wrote:stillafan wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Just wonder why we have to add a pick to trade an expiring contract which can be valuable to an other team, that's so Knicks 😂😂. Other teams trade expiring deals and get back firsts. Still remember when Walsh traded players with picks or for pennies on the dollar to get us ready to get a chance at Lebron. Shouldn't the new CBA make Evan's, deal valuable for a team wanting to get under a Apron level and save them lots of tax money and Freedom
Players that don't get off the bench hold no value, teams will not do the Knicks any favors and rest assure unless it's SA who remains under the cap by 5m imo only contenders will even consider taking him, no reason for a young team to even want him when not contending, it defeats the purpose.
Taking on just under 19m will usually cost some kind of asset in these situations. think about Melo, who was playing but Phil brought his value down, we got two expirings and a 2nd for a 32 year old who just finished the season averaging 22.4 Pts.
The very next season OKC traded Melo and added a first to get Dennis Schroder. Kind of sad but the fit with Randle wasn't good and when you added in Kemba it got to the ouch stage on defense and Jalen isn't exactly a stud on defense.
I understand that if Evan has more player contribution potential he would be more valuable in a trade right now. But favors aside, at around the deadline another team might decide to rid itself of a contract it does not want to tie itself to going forward and to avoid the ramifications of the new CBA, so that Evans expiring becomes more valuable then it is at the moment regardless if he plays or not. The new CBA has real adverse problems for some teams over the apron
This.
There’s no reason to cave into Fournier’s demands. Use him as trade bait next February to get someone
Philc1 wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:stillafan wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Just wonder why we have to add a pick to trade an expiring contract which can be valuable to an other team, that's so Knicks 😂😂. Other teams trade expiring deals and get back firsts. Still remember when Walsh traded players with picks or for pennies on the dollar to get us ready to get a chance at Lebron. Shouldn't the new CBA make Evan's, deal valuable for a team wanting to get under a Apron level and save them lots of tax money and Freedom
Players that don't get off the bench hold no value, teams will not do the Knicks any favors and rest assure unless it's SA who remains under the cap by 5m imo only contenders will even consider taking him, no reason for a young team to even want him when not contending, it defeats the purpose.
Taking on just under 19m will usually cost some kind of asset in these situations. think about Melo, who was playing but Phil brought his value down, we got two expirings and a 2nd for a 32 year old who just finished the season averaging 22.4 Pts.
The very next season OKC traded Melo and added a first to get Dennis Schroder. Kind of sad but the fit with Randle wasn't good and when you added in Kemba it got to the ouch stage on defense and Jalen isn't exactly a stud on defense.
I understand that if Evan has more player contribution potential he would be more valuable in a trade right now. But favors aside, at around the deadline another team might decide to rid itself of a contract it does not want to tie itself to going forward and to avoid the ramifications of the new CBA, so that Evans expiring becomes more valuable then it is at the moment regardless if he plays or not. The new CBA has real adverse problems for some teams over the apron
This.
There’s no reason to cave into Fournier’s demands. Use him as trade bait next February to get someone
I think the team doesn't maximize the expiring deal's
Value and trade him to preserve a good relationship with Evan, but the team that does acquire him later flips him to team looking to lose a contract, for more value. But Knicks gotta Knick, so hope for the best
, Brace yourself for the worst
Alpha1971 wrote:stillafan wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:HofstraBBall wrote:Disagree with idea he should take his money and accept his role. Only non athletes say that kind of stuff. If he sits one more year his playing days in NBA will be over. Don't blame an athlete for wanting to compete. Especially if he feels he still can. His expiring is valuable to many teams. Therefore don't see issue trading him and getting something back. Think if we add a second we can get back a usable piece.
Oh, and in the spirit of the forum... It was Randle's and Thib's fault he did not work out.
Viva la France!!
Just wonder why we have to add a pick to trade an expiring contract which can be valuable to an other team, that's so Knicks 😂😂. Other teams trade expiring deals and get back firsts. Still remember when Walsh traded players with picks or for pennies on the dollar to get us ready to get a chance at Lebron. Shouldn't the new CBA make Evan's, deal valuable for a team wanting to get under a Apron level and save them lots of tax money and Freedom
Players that don't get off the bench hold no value, teams will not do the Knicks any favors and rest assure unless it's SA who remains under the cap by 5m imo only contenders will even consider taking him, no reason for a young team to even want him when not contending, it defeats the purpose.
Taking on just under 19m will usually cost some kind of asset in these situations. think about Melo, who was playing but Phil brought his value down, we got two expirings and a 2nd for a 32 year old who just finished the season averaging 22.4 Pts.
The very next season OKC traded Melo and added a first to get Dennis Schroder. Kind of sad but the fit with Randle wasn't good and when you added in Kemba it got to the ouch stage on defense and Jalen isn't exactly a stud on defense.
I understand that if Evan has more player contribution potential he would be more valuable in a trade right now. But favors aside, at around the deadline another team might decide to rid itself of a contract it does not want to tie itself to going forward and to avoid the ramifications of the new CBA, so that Evans expiring becomes more valuable then it is at the moment regardless if he plays or not. The new CBA has real adverse problems for some teams over the apron
I agree sadly I think he don't get moved to the deadline when Knicks will have paid 4 of the 6 months pay, and most likely pending which team he will get waived and picked up when he clears waivers?
Part of this is on Leon for using him as the big signing when we had 63m in cap with all our picks, 2 Dallas picks and young players, I wanted DD then DD came out and said he wanted to come here not chicago, and he was in the MVP conversations.
but the flip side is he chose the money and left the team that loved him and he fit with Boston, so part of it lies with himself.
Some deals work out some don't. Every move is a calculated risk. Rose made some bad choices but nothing catastrophic that has held the team back. Randal is all NBA, and Brunson is all NBA to come. A team with two NBA talents is something we couldn't envision a few years ago. Plus we did great with IQ and Grimes where they were picked. You win some and you lose some. Team this offseason didn't replicate that failed offseason by making too many moves overreacting to a play off loss. Team rolls into the season with a TPE,an expiring 18 million contract, a boatload of second rounders and first rounders, and players with large, medium, and small contracts to make smaller, medium, or a big trade. We are in good shape
