EwingPSD wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great
So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.
He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.
Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.
Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign
I don't think Bertans in an NBA player. The problem with Bertans is Bertans sucks
I think Bertans is an NBA player. A mediocre one who won't likely get big minutes because he's too specialized, but a player nonetheless. But he's worse than Fournier. There's no way Thibs would play him and he's pretty much in the same situation as Fournier contract wise. I don't see the Knicks moving Fournier just to repeat things with Bertans.
BigDaddyG wrote:EwingPSD wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great
So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.
He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.
Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.
Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign
I don't think Bertans in an NBA player. The problem with Bertans is Bertans sucks
I think Bertans is an NBA player. A mediocre one who won't likely get big minutes because he's too specialized, but a player nonetheless. But he's worse than Fournier. There's no way Thibs would play him and he's pretty much in the same situation as Fournier contract wise. I don't see the Knicks moving Fournier just to repeat things with Bertans.
The good thing about him is his specialization might be something that actually got used in NY if he played. He has a pure stroke. If you are going to play 13 mins a night, often go multiple possession w/o a touch, and then be expected to fire and connect when you get a catch I think you have to be a purer shooter. I don't think he does anything else at an NBA level though. Maybe I'm too harsh on him IDK
martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:martin wrote:
Alpha1971 wrote:I think the Knicks should get Davis Bertrans for the bench if he becomes available as a lower risk bench version of KP. Not as good on defense but a big shooter for off the bench at the 4. I thought a Evan trade for him made sense but his contract next season is guaranteed for 5 million while Evans completely comes off the book when the team declines his option. But if Bertrans is bought out like OKC did with Kemba a few years ago we should grab him. KP too injury prone. Yet, Bertrans backing up Randall and as the 10th man or maybe 11 is just great
So hypothetically Bertans gets cut. He would want to go to a team that has minutes so he could compete for his next contract.
He would not get minutes with the Knicks. The Knicks do not need another shooter who does not defend or rebound.
Bertans would not choose to play for the Knicks nor would the Knicks want him on team in favor of something they need. ???. Profit.
Hypothetically what team can offer him more playing time then the Knicks at this point ? Knicks have the Bi Annual left, and a back up spot for 12 minutes if he earns the spot at that rate. Does he sign for the min and gets just the same amount of minutes ? At this point he is not anymore then a back up for 15 mins a game. I think if we want him he would sign
Boston, Lakers, Denver, Miami, Philly.
Knicks would not want him and he would not get 15 minutes.
With the exception of Miami he is not playing for the other teams.
Why?
The other teams have depth that will preclude Betrans from getting more time then he would get here in NY, with the exception of Miami but again Miami has a young big they drafted last year who they likely will groom. So of the teams you mentioned the Knicks could give him a path for back up rotation minutes. But we shall see. I'm not going to pull up the rosters of the teams you mentioned Not that important you may be right and I can be wrong.
Respehctfully, you are wrong and should maybe actually familiarize yourself with their rosters.
I don't worry about being wrong.bBut not going to to argue about Betrans. If we get hi. For cheap if he is bought out good. If not ok He would be the tenth man. But if we do get him, tip the hat
Not for nothing but Bobby Portis off bench would be a perfect type big for Knicks
He would be perfect, Portis. But for this season trying to think of players that would be available. Best I can think of so far is Bertans who plays the 4 and can shoot. There are others who will become available at the deadline for the Obi TPE, Evans expiring deal, and picks.
ToddTT wrote:
Can he even be better next season for us ? I'd be happy if he replicates last season.
Nalod wrote:Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Seems he is in the paint “Feeling the play” rather than head down and to the rim and not rushing it. FIBA highlights shows more flips and using the backboard. “Brunson like Crafty”?
The outside shot looks good. Video highlight he never misses!!!
Just the little flips off the backboard, the fact that it is more crafty getting to the rim than bulldozing in. Not used to the footwork/body control RJ is showing to get himself into position to get those shots off.
Just look at the highlights that have been posted of Jalen and RJ in FIBA side by side.
joec32033 wrote:Nalod wrote:Is that a good thing or a bad thing? Seems he is in the paint “Feeling the play” rather than head down and to the rim and not rushing it. FIBA highlights shows more flips and using the backboard. “Brunson like Crafty”?
The outside shot looks good. Video highlight he never misses!!!
Just the little flips off the backboard, the fact that it is more crafty getting to the rim than bulldozing in. Not used to the footwork/body control RJ is showing to get himself into position to get those shots off.
Just look at the highlights that have been posted of Jalen and RJ in FIBA side by side.
For seasons we have watched RJ just lower his head and barrel forward at the rim. He truly has been playing smarter and with his head up reacting to defenses. With him playing like this, maybe he and Julius can co exist within the offense and operating in the same area, if they look for one another. Think if both he and Julius are hitting the 3 and looking to lob to Mitch it will be dynamic. Fingers crossed
I saw Evan played 19min in Frances last game.
Someone here was thinking knicks keeping him out exposed him to injury and lowered his trade value.
He back up.
He is a trade pawn and I suppose he is not happy about it. He wants to play.
Its admirable.
BigDaddyG wrote:
Can he play back up 4 ? If he can then I have our solution. Can he ? Can he match up against another teams back up 4 for ten minutes, grab a rebound, match up on D. ? He can't guard a wing so maybe a back up 4 ?
Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Can he play back up 4 ? If he can then I have our solution. Can he ? Can he match up against another teams back up 4 for ten minutes, grab a rebound, match up on D. ? He can't guard a wing so maybe a back up 4 ?
Am I mistaken or is the whole reason Fournier ended up in Thibs' doghouse is because he does not play defense?
Clearly the guy has some skills. His value unfortunately is nil due to being in the mutt mansion. The alternative however would have been a lesser Knicks team. Though you would think there are less defense-centric teams out there he could help.
KnickDanger wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Can he play back up 4 ? If he can then I have our solution. Can he ? Can he match up against another teams back up 4 for ten minutes, grab a rebound, match up on D. ? He can't guard a wing so maybe a back up 4 ?
Am I mistaken or is the whole reason Fournier ended up in Thibs' doghouse is because he does not play defense?
Clearly the guy has some skills. His value unfortunately is nil due to being in the mutt mansion. The alternative however would have been a lesser Knicks team. Though you would think there are less defense-centric teams out there he could help.
Fournier can't guard a wing he is too slow. But maybe he can stay in front of a PF and have enough weight to body one ? Maybe a change in position for him, he is 6"7" just wondering if he can do it
Alpha1971 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Can he play back up 4 ? If he can then I have our solution. Can he ? Can he match up against another teams back up 4 for ten minutes, grab a rebound, match up on D. ? He can't guard a wing so maybe a back up 4 ?
Am I mistaken or is the whole reason Fournier ended up in Thibs' doghouse is because he does not play defense?
Clearly the guy has some skills. His value unfortunately is nil due to being in the mutt mansion. The alternative however would have been a lesser Knicks team. Though you would think there are less defense-centric teams out there he could help.
Fournier can't guard a wing he is too slow. But maybe he can stay in front of a PF and have enough weight to body one ? Maybe a change in position for him, he is 6"7" just wondering if he can do it
If the backup PF is Davis Bertrand, or someone in that class of PF, then yes. Otherwise, no.
EwingsGlass wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:KnickDanger wrote:Alpha1971 wrote:BigDaddyG wrote:
Can he play back up 4 ? If he can then I have our solution. Can he ? Can he match up against another teams back up 4 for ten minutes, grab a rebound, match up on D. ? He can't guard a wing so maybe a back up 4 ?
Am I mistaken or is the whole reason Fournier ended up in Thibs' doghouse is because he does not play defense?
Clearly the guy has some skills. His value unfortunately is nil due to being in the mutt mansion. The alternative however would have been a lesser Knicks team. Though you would think there are less defense-centric teams out there he could help.
Fournier can't guard a wing he is too slow. But maybe he can stay in front of a PF and have enough weight to body one ? Maybe a change in position for him, he is 6"7" just wondering if he can do it
If the backup PF is Davis Bertrand, or someone in that class of PF, then yes. Otherwise, no.
So it's a firm, sometimes, against some pfs. I'll take it 😄
martin wrote:
RJ vs Evan to start. Want both to do well. Just want RJ to do better.
